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AvarAllahNoor said:
Does that not refer to any mosque? As all mosques are sacred
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No its referring to THE sacred Mosque, referring to the ka'bah.

2:148. For every nation there is a direction to which they face (in their prayers). So hasten towards all that is good. Wheresoever you may be, Allâh will bring you together (on the Day of Resurrection). Truly, Allâh is Able to do all things.
2:149. And from wheresoever you start forth (for prayers), turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah), that is indeed the truth from your Lord. And Allâh is not unaware of what you do.

2:150. And from wheresoever you start forth (for prayers), turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah), and wheresoever you are, turn your faces towards, it (when you pray) so that men may have no argument against you except those of them that are wrong-doers, so fear them not, but fear Me! - And so that I may complete My Blessings on you and that you may be guided.

Theres many more aswell
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
What else are we discussing? You're saying Allah is requesting that you all pray in the direction of Makkah. If you can't back it up then i'd say it's all concocted, hence why Guru Nanak Ji went to Makkah to enlighten the ignorant. :)
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Lol well if thats why he went there to prove to the ignorant that God hasn't told us to pray that way, i guess my above post has refuted that hasn't he. Surely a messenger of God would know what was written in the scriptures
 
unbreakable said:
Thank you Moshin, like it doesn't matter to you what the Sikhs believe, the same way Islam and its ways are irrelevant to us.

Its quite funny how you guys start up a thread on Sikhism and then call Sikh beliefs irrelevant.

So, Moshin, what are we discussing?
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Bro you've seriously misquoted me out of context and i think you've missed the point of what the thread has developed into.

Number one we were talking about why guru nanek said to people dont point your feet towards Mecca. I said why did he say that, since muslims don't believe god resides there. Then it developed into why we face Mecca. Then one of you said Sikhs pray 24 hours a day, and i meant it doesn't matter what Sikhs believe on how to pray, its irrelevant to the discussion we were having on why Muslims pray the way we do

When i said Sikh beliefs are irrelevant i was referring to the current context of the discussion we were having

Hope that clarifies bro. Sorry for coming about rude, wasn't my attention
 
It seems the Muslims and the Sikhs alike on this thread seem to be going around in circles, at the end of the day the one God is everywhere.
 
Mohsin said:
No its referring to THE sacred Mosque, referring to the ka'bah.

2:148. For every nation there is a direction to which they face (in their prayers). So hasten towards all that is good. Wheresoever you may be, Allâh will bring you together (on the Day of Resurrection). Truly, Allâh is Able to do all things.
2:149. And from wheresoever you start forth (for prayers), turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah), that is indeed the truth from your Lord. And Allâh is not unaware of what you do.

2:150. And from wheresoever you start forth (for prayers), turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah), and wheresoever you are, turn your faces towards, it (when you pray) so that men may have no argument against you except those of them that are wrong-doers, so fear them not, but fear Me! - And so that I may complete My Blessings on you and that you may be guided.

Theres many more aswell
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Muslims believe was the first place built by Adam (the first human) for the worship of God. So if Allah is everywhere why do you need a particular place to focus on?
 
Mohsin said:
Number one we were talking about why guru nanek said to people dont point your feet towards Mecca.
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No Bhai, he didn't say that. He said it don't matter if your feet are pointed towards Kaabah. Because God is everywhere!
 
Mohsin said:
Lol well if thats why he went there to prove to the ignorant that God hasn't told us to pray that way, i guess my above post has refuted that hasn't he. Surely a messenger of God would know what was written in the scriptures
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Exactly, so why do Muslims pray towards it?
 
We don't believe God is everywhere. We don't believe he's in the toilet, or in a dog or anything. We believe his prescence is everywhere

2:142. The fools (pagans, hypocrites, and Jews) among the people will say, "What has turned them (Muslims) from their Qiblah [prayer direction (towards Jerusalem)] to which they were used to face in prayer." Say, (O Muhammad ) "To Allâh belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a Straight Way."

We believe his prescence is everwhere. I feel you havent been reading what i've been posting

I said our formal prayer usually requres us to pray together since that is what God has ordained. Now for purposes of unity we have been given a Qibla, a universla direction to pray in, just as other previous nations have also been given a certain direction to pray in

2:148. For every nation there is a direction to which they face (in their prayers). So hasten towards all that is good. Wheresoever you may be, Allâh will bring you together (on the Day of Resurrection). Truly, Allâh is Able to do all things.

Now i can't emphasise its for unity that we pray in that direction. I dont understand whats so hard to understand.

I also explained to you we jhave other forms of worship where we simply do dua or dhikr. We dont have to face any certain direction since we don't do this as a congegration, so purposes of untiy does not exist. In such instances we simply raise our hands to God whichever direction we are in
 
Khoza said:
It seems the Muslims and the Sikhs alike on this thread seem to be going around in circles, at the end of the day the one God is everywhere.
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is he in the toilet? Is he in our bedroom. We believe his prescence and his signs are everwhere, and he watches all we do. But physically we believe he's up in heaven
 
Mohsin said:
We don't believe God is everywhere. We don't believe he's in the toilet, or in a dog or anything. We believe his prescence is everywhere
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Your condraticting yourself here. Why would God not be in the toilet if he's everywhere?

I understand now that it is out of unity you pray to mecca. What is found in the Kabba? I've heard many rumours. Some say the bones of Adam, some say Guru Nanaks Slippers. And some say it's just an empty box.

Just curious like
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Your condraticting yourself here. Why would God not be in the toilet if he's everywhere?

I understand now that it is out of unity you pray to mecca. What is found in the Kabba? I've heard many rumours. Some say the bones of Adam, some say Guru Nanaks Slippers. And some say it's just an empty box.

Just curious like
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By prescence i mean wherever you are you know God is watching you. Everything belongs to God, his signs are everwhere. His spiritual prescence is everwhere. Physically he's in heaven


The Ka'bah was the first place ever created to worship god. it has a large history. Adam PBUH built it. Then Abraham, and his son ismail PBUT built it, so people could do pilgrimage to it. We don't consider it to be holy such that we pray to it, rather we pray towards it, as a direction. In the early days of islam people used to stand on the ka'bah and perform Adhan, a call for prayer

Someone else can maybe explain what is inside the ka'bah, but certainly noones bones, and for certain not guru naneks slippers. we dont believe in the stories about him in mecca. No shrine was built in his name
 
Mohsin said:
Someone else can maybe explain what is inside the ka'bah, but certainly noones bones, and for certain not guru naneks slippers. we dont believe in the stories about him in mecca. No shrine was built in his name
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Not in mecca i know, but in Baghdad there was, i provided links. Do you refute that?
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Not in mecca i know, but in Baghdad there was, i provided links. Do you refute that?
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I didnt remember going on to it. But i think iot was Dhillon who told me that the muslims have hidden it so none can see it. Immediately doubts arose in my head that there is any such shrine
 
Mohsin said:
I didnt remember going on to it. But i think iot was Dhillon who told me that the muslims have hidden it so none can see it. Immediately doubts arose in my head that there is any such shrine
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http://www.sikhspectrum.com/072002/baghdad.htm

Scroll down to see the pictures. It exists and i'm not sure that it's been hidden as such. Although i do wonder state it is in now that the war is going on :X
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Your condraticting yourself here. Why would God not be in the toilet if he's everywhere?

I understand now that it is out of unity you pray to mecca. What is found in the Kabba? I've heard many rumours. Some say the bones of Adam, some say Guru Nanaks Slippers. And some say it's just an empty box.

Just curious like
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:sl:
Peace to all

Like you said, that was only a rumours anything that you heard previous,and about the Kaabah ill try to answer it later..
challo
 
002.115
To Allah belong the east and the West: Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is all-Pervading, all-Knowing


there you have it..allah is everywhere..
 

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