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Mohsin said:
The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerve of the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. While dying, the animal struggles, writhers, shakes and kicks, not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles defecient in blood and due to the flow of blood out of the body.
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When I went to "Jai Hind" restaurant ... the restaurant is certified 'Halaal' and they have chicken dishes (which means the chicken is slaughter by a Muslim), can a Sikh sell "Halaal" dishes?
 
north_malaysian said:
When I went to "Jai Hind" restaurant ... the restaurant is certified 'Halaal' and they have chicken dishes (which means the chicken is slaughter by a Muslim), can a Sikh sell "Halaal" dishes?
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Well that's a good question. I'll consult my peers and get back to you. :)
 
hi AvarAllahNoor

look like u r quite busy

i also have some questions will be glad if u answer that
 
Khoza said:
Im surprised your bothering to carry on debating on here:?
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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

LOL, I told you i can't help myself! I'v had a few replies via PVT MSG, and they seem to be interested in what Sikhism means. So it's all good bro :)

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh
 
north_malaysian said:
When I went to "Jai Hind" restaurant ... the restaurant is certified 'Halaal' and they have chicken dishes (which means the chicken is slaughter by a Muslim), can a Sikh sell "Halaal" dishes?
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Sat Sri Akaal,

Allow me to answer the question posted by North Malaysian. One of the pre-requisites of the Malaysian local councils is that every restaurant which muslims patronise must serve "halal" food. Jai Hind Restaurant which is operated by a Sikh which is located in the heart of Kuala Lumpur and Malaysia being a majority muslim country is just following the rules otherwise he will not be allowed to have muslim patrons and maybe a license to operate a restaurant. Simple as that. The operator is just earning a living. Knowing that Malaysian muslims very much prefer punjabi food ;D , it doesnt mean that he is consuming the same.

Sat Sri Akaal.
 
Saajan said:



Sat Sri Akaal,

Allow me to answer the question posted by North Malaysian. One of the pre-requisites of the Malaysian local councils is that every restaurant which muslims patronise must serve "halal" food. Jai Hind Restaurant which is operated by a Sikh which is located in the heart of Kuala Lumpur and Malaysia being a majority muslim country is just following the rules otherwise he will not be allowed to have muslim patrons and maybe a license to operate a restaurant. Simple as that. The operator is just earning a living. Knowing that Malaysian muslims very much prefer punjabi food ;D , it doesnt mean that he is consuming the same.

Sat Sri Akaal.
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Oh right I see what you eman. its same here with many muslims who sell haraam things

It is actually haraam for us to sell haraam things in islam. For example in a shop we can't sell alcohol pork etc. Its so fruistrating though when every other pakistani muslim shop you go to is selling haraam food products. Its against our religion....double standards...I don't understand why some muslims do that, they know God has prohibited us from things he doesn't want any human to do, so why go on and sell alcohol to other people when you know God has prohibited alcohol for mankind???

I guess it's similar with you really? The whole reason you don't eat halal meat is becasue its not killed correctly..ie an injustice has been done to it....but by selling it it appears you are condoning it....it seems like another case of double standards to me. If you think God doesn't like the way an animals killed, then you shouldn't be taking adavantage that other peopel do like that and then make money from it. Its like me saying porn is immoral and bad, and then i go on and make a porn movie because the non-muslims like it
 
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I heard that Guru Nanak, the first leader of the Sikhs was actually a Muslim

The Chola, or the cloak of Baba Nanak, is the holiest relic of the Guru and is preserved in Dera Baba Nanak, a small village in Gurdaspur District of the Punjab. This is a cloak which Nanak wore in his life-time and it is considered so sacred that his immediate followers took every care to keep it safe. The regard and reverence rendered to the Chola by the Sikh community is a testimony to the authenticity of the cloak. The words of Guru Nanak as contained in the Guru Granth Sahib (Sikh scriptures) were not collected until the time of Guru Arjan Dev, the fifth Guru, and therefore cannot be relied upon as accurate particularly as Sikhism had by that time assumed an attitude of hostility towards Islam. But the Chola is clear from this charge, because it was handed down by Nanak himself and has come down to our times in its original condition. It is commonly alleged that verses from different scriptures in different languages are written on the Chola. But this is not true. The verses chosen for writing on the Chola are quotations from the Holy Quran as revealed by photographs recently taken. The religion followed by the man can be none other than Islam.​

Here's a pic of his cloak:

http://www.alislam.org/library/links/chola.html

:w:
 
Mohsin said:
Oh right I see what you eman. its same here with many muslims who sell haraam things

It is actually haraam for us to sell haraam things in islam. For example in a shop we can't sell alcohol pork etc. Its so fruistrating though when every other pakistani muslim shop you go to is selling haraam food products. Its against our religion....double standards...I don't understand why some muslims do that, they know God has prohibited us from things he doesn't want any human to do, so why go on and sell alcohol to other people when you know God has prohibited alcohol for mankind???

I guess it's similar with you really? The whole reason you don't eat halal meat is becasue its not killed correctly..ie an injustice has been done to it....but by selling it it appears you are condoning it....it seems like another case of double standards to me. If you think God doesn't like the way an animals killed, then you shouldn't be taking adavantage that other peopel do like that and then make money from it. Its like me saying porn is immoral and bad, and then i go on and make a porn movie because the non-muslims like it
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Sat Sri Akaal,

We live in a modern world today and we have to live by the rules and regulations wherever we live. I live in a country where the majority are muslims. Malaysia is a multi religious and multi cultural country and we can have anything we want here. The Government collect taxes from the citizens regardless of his or her faith and at the same time "haram" products are also taxed and money from the sale of other "haram" products are also circulating from one hand to another. The same taxes are used to build the economy, pay wages especially to the Government employees where 90% of them are malay muslims.

Now are these people not going to take their wages because the revenue is from the sale of "haram" products and from "kafirs" like me? Are you going into every minute detail? Do you think that all the currency circulating in the world today comes from legal sources?

My friend are you going back to the barter system, riding camels instead of cars and live in a cave because the money is all "illegal".

Be practical and yet maintain your religious and moral values. Thats what Sikhism is all about. Being Practical. God is not going to be cross believe me Isnt God full of love and very compassionate?:)

Sat Sri Akaal
 
`Abd al-Azeez said:
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I heard that Guru Nanak, the first leader of the Sikhs was actually a Muslim

The Chola, or the cloak of Baba Nanak, is the holiest relic of the Guru and is preserved in Dera Baba Nanak, a small village in Gurdaspur District of the Punjab. This is a cloak which Nanak wore in his life-time and it is considered so sacred that his immediate followers took every care to keep it safe. The regard and reverence rendered to the Chola by the Sikh community is a testimony to the authenticity of the cloak. The words of Guru Nanak as contained in the Guru Granth Sahib (Sikh scriptures) were not collected until the time of Guru Arjan Dev, the fifth Guru, and therefore cannot be relied upon as accurate particularly as Sikhism had by that time assumed an attitude of hostility towards Islam. But the Chola is clear from this charge, because it was handed down by Nanak himself and has come down to our times in its original condition. It is commonly alleged that verses from different scriptures in different languages are written on the Chola. But this is not true. The verses chosen for writing on the Chola are quotations from the Holy Quran as revealed by photographs recently taken. The religion followed by the man can be none other than Islam.​

Here's a pic of his cloak:

http://www.alislam.org/library/links/chola.html

:w:
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Sat Sri Akaal,
Before you jump the gun (again and again which I see is very common throughtout this thread I read), the said chola was a gift from a devotee of Shri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Before his departure from Baghdad Guru Ji was presented with a chola (robe) as a token of respect and the high regard the holy men held Him, on which verses in Arabic were inscribed. This chola lies preserved in the Gurdwara at Dera Baba Nanak, in Pakistan. The chola was given to Guru Sahib Ji by his devotees in Bagdhad and Guru Sahib Ji took it in the spirit in which it was given, no more. So this notion that the robe and its inscriptions hold any more significance is just incorrect.

http://www.info-sikh.com/PageKnow1.html

Sat Sri Akaal.

O God, You are the Hope of all. All beings are Yours; You are the Wealth of all.
O God, none return from You empty-handed; at Your Door, the Gurmukhs are praised and acclaimed.
In the terrifying world-ocean of poison, people are drowning-please lift them up and save them!
This is servant Nanak's humble prayer. ||4||1||65||
Guru Raam Daas Ji in Siree Raag on Pannaa 39
 
Ridicurezipa said:
Alaikum assalam,
if I am born pronouncing Allah am I a Sikh? I think I should be.

mu'asalam
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Yup you sure are, now get yourself down the Gurdwara and be intiated into the Sikh Brotherhood of the Khalsa (Pure Ones) then you can truly be a Sikh! :)
 
Mohsin said:
I guess it's similar with you really? The whole reason you don't eat halal meat is becasue its not killed correctly..ie an injustice has been done to it....but by selling it it appears you are condoning it....it seems like another case of double standards to me. If you think God doesn't like the way an animals killed, then you shouldn't be taking adavantage that other peopel do like that and then make money from it. Its like me saying porn is immoral and bad, and then i go on and make a porn movie because the non-muslims like it
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It is! Some Sikhs refuse to sell Tobacco/Alochol on the shops, but then they'd lose the custom. And a mojority of customers are into the above mentioned items, so you're left with no choice but to sell!
 
`Abd al-Azeez said:
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I heard that Guru Nanak, the first leader of the Sikhs was actually a Muslim

The Chola, or the cloak of Baba Nanak, is the holiest relic of the Guru and is preserved in Dera Baba Nanak, a small village in Gurdaspur District of the Punjab. This is a cloak which Nanak wore in his life-time and it is considered so sacred that his immediate followers took every care to keep it safe. The regard and reverence rendered to the Chola by the Sikh community is a testimony to the authenticity of the cloak. The words of Guru Nanak as contained in the Guru Granth Sahib (Sikh scriptures) were not collected until the time of Guru Arjan Dev, the fifth Guru, and therefore cannot be relied upon as accurate particularly as Sikhism had by that time assumed an attitude of hostility towards Islam. But the Chola is clear from this charge, because it was handed down by Nanak himself and has come down to our times in its original condition. It is commonly alleged that verses from different scriptures in different languages are written on the Chola. But this is not true. The verses chosen for writing on the Chola are quotations from the Holy Quran as revealed by photographs recently taken. The religion followed by the man can be none other than Islam.​

Here's a pic of his cloak:

http://www.alislam.org/library/links/chola.html

:w:
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As Sajjan veer has said, that does not make Guru Nanak a muslim! - It's nice that muslims want to lay claim to such a unique Prophet of the Lord!

Now we all know these rumours have been started up by the 'Ahmadiyya Muslim Community' it's all fabricated (no pun intended)

Let's just say he was a muslime (not that he was) as he was sent by God recently shouldn't all muslims convert to Sikhism, as this is what God requires? Ponder over that! ;D
 

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