Sinning

[Woodrow]

While we are on the Subject of the Bible. One of the earliest books to be removed from the Bible was the Gospel of Barnabas. We know that the Early Christians included it and that the Aramaic Church still retains it. It is of interest because it expicitly speaks of the comeing of Mohammad. Barnabas was one of the Apostles of Jesus, there is much written about him in the early bible. It is odd that this Book was one of the first to be removed.

Saint Barnabas is mentioned in the New Testament and he is very well admired too: "For God who was at work in the ministry of Peter as an apostle to the Jews, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles. James, Peter, and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me [Paul] and Barnabas the right hand to fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we [Paul and Barnabas] should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews. (The New Testament from the N.I.V Bible, Galatians 2:8-9)"

Saint Barnabas's story in the New Testament begins in Acts 4:36. People often don't know the name of this great Saint. The reason for that is because he lived and dedicated his life to serve others. His real name was Joseph, but the Christians gave him a nickname of "Barnabas" because it meant the "son of encouragement". Barnabas came alongside people in times of challenge and helped them; see Acts 9:10-28 and Acts 15:36-39 for more details.

So in other words, we really should take his Gospel very seriously and consider it too the inspired word of GOD. Since Christians believe in Paul, John, Mark and Matthew as Prophets of GOD, then they should also consider Barnabas as a Prophet too.

Here is a link to the "Gospel of Barnabas"

http://www.answering-christianity.com/barnabas.htm


The Aramaic Bible mentions "Muhammad" as the next Prophet of GOD Almighty

This article was sent to me by brother XXXXXXXXXXXX; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

I was getting shock when I read that "Paraklytos" is actually "Muhammad" in Aramaic - the mother tongue' of Prophet Jesus (p.b.u.h).




Follow me as we trace the Biblical history of this Greek word "Paraclete". Startling as it may seem, at one time the word read "Periklytos" and "Paraklytos", which is the name for "Muhammad" in Greek. Surprising? It should not be because both words mean "Praised" or "Celebrate," the meaning and character of the man "Muhammad." (1 Jesus in The Qur'an, One World Publications, (c) Geoffrey Parrinder 1965, 1995, ISBN 1-85168-094-2. Knowing this, there is a need for us to study the life of Prophet Muhammad in depth to see if it all stands up. Surprisingly it does.




Allahu Akbar (GOD is Great)!, for the complete explanation by Aramaic Bible Society please visit:

http://www.aramaic.org/PARAVLETE.htmlEDIT NOTE: this is just a link to an English Aramaic dictionary
This proved what has been said by Qur'an:




"Those who follow the apostle the unlettered prophet (prophet Muhammad - p.b.u.h) whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures); in the law (Torah) and the Gospel" (Qur'an 7:157)




According to Holy Qur'an the name of prophet Muhammad or Ahmad (p.b.u.h) is mention by name in the Gospel (Injeel):




"And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is Ahmad (the Praised One)." (Qur'an 61:6)




If you refer to Song of Solomon in Hebrew scripture, the name 'Muhammad' also mention there, please read Song of Solomon 5:16, it looks like this:




"Hikow mamtaqiym wkulow mahamadiym zeh dowdiy wzeh ree`iy bnowt yruushaalaaim."






To the reader: Embrace Islam you will be saved!

 

[Tania]

Meaning? :rollseyes

Don't roll your eyes on me, please.
Now i found something which could clarify better how its our family structure .
The man and woman were created by God. This entire humankind would not exist without the wish of God. Thats why he is our Holy Father.Off course, after the initial creation the woman and man got power to reproduce themselfs, so we got human parents too :-[. And here it comes our family:

"The Christian family is a communion of persons, a sign and image of the communion of the Father and the Son in the Holy Spirit. In the procreation and education of children it reflects the Father's work of creation. It is called to partake of the prayer and sacrifice of Christ. Daily prayer and the reading of the Word of God strengthen it in charity. The Christian family has an evangelizing and missionary task. " - 2205
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a4.htm#2214

 

[Umar001]

The reason I rolled my eyes, pretty nicely too lol
was that I dont see anywhere here were it makes it sense to call anyone but the Father, Father.

With regards to the Christian family, well the Christian families father is The Father?

 

[glo]

Guys, it occurs to me that discussing sectarian issues is against forum rules!
I know we are debating Christianity, but I don't see why the same prinicples should not apply!

In fact, I'm surprised that the moderators have not yet intervened. :rollseyes
Perhaps the moderators can advise?

Peace :thankyou:

 

[Umar001]

Guys, it occurs to me that discussing sectarian issues is against forum rules!
I know we are debating Christianity, but I don't see why the same prinicples should not apply!

In fact, I'm surprised that the moderators have not yet intervened. :rollseyes
Perhaps the moderators can advise?

Peace :thankyou:

Well personally I am not so much into discussing why the Catholic Church does it, I will ask why anyone does it, it just happens to be that most that do it are from the Catholic Church.

 

[Woodrow]

Guys, it occurs to me that discussing sectarian issues is against forum rules!
I know we are debating Christianity, but I don't see why the same prinicples should not apply!

In fact, I'm surprised that the moderators have not yet intervened. :rollseyes
Perhaps the moderators can advise?

Peace :thankyou:

Asalaamu Alaikum,

I agree Glo, perhaps a Mod should express a ruling on this. My own personal view is that this does come under the category of comparative religion. While Sectarianism is more in reference to those who would seperate Islam.

 

[Tania]

Guys, it occurs to me that discussing sectarian issues is against forum rules!
I know we are debating Christianity, but I don't see why the same prinicples should not apply!

In fact, I'm surprised that the moderators have not yet intervened. :rollseyes
Perhaps the moderators can advise?

Peace :thankyou:

The catholic church is not a sect, so we are not discussing here sectarian issues:rollseyes I hope this is more clear now.
The moderators will advice you don't pick one of oldest religion from Earth and call it non christian.Sorry to be so harsh.

 

[Umar001]

Oldest religions? 2000 or so years aint old is it?

Catholics are Christians! Although In yahoo chat and other palces they have like Christian rooms and then seperate catholic rooms
and i think they do similar in some website for writing what religion you are, Christian and then Catholic lol

Wierd

 

[Tania]

The reason I rolled my eyes, pretty nicely too lol
was that I dont see anywhere here were it makes it sense to call anyone but the Father, Father.

With regards to the Christian family, well the Christian families father is The Father?

I don't want to argue especially when i see you can't or you don't want understand me.
We have a Holly Father - even the muslims recognize His will - please read in Quran 80 :18-19 and 53:45-46.
but we have our biological parents too - named simple mother and father without Holy Father.
I will close here .Finished.

 

[Tania]

Oldest religions? 2000 or so years aint old is it?

Catholics are Christians! Although In yahoo chat and other palces they have like Christian rooms and then seperate catholic rooms
and i think they do similar in some website for writing what religion you are, Christian and then Catholic lol

Wierd

Well i don't have the pleasure to join the chat rooms so i don't know how are sitting the things but according to my knowledge Christian religion refers to the destruction of the pagan idols and their replacement with the teaching of Christ. I need to do a research and i will tell you exactly which religion are clasified today as christian.

 

[Umar001]

I don't want to argue especially when i see you can't or you don't want understand me.
We have a Holly Father - even the muslims recognize His will - please read in Quran 80 :18-19 and 53:45-46.
but we have our biological parents too - named simple mother and father without Holy Father.
I will close here .Finished.

Actually, its not that I dont want to understand you I simply don't.

Quran 80: 18-19
YUSUFALI: From a sperm-drop: He hath created him, and then mouldeth him in due proportions;
YUSUFALI: Then doth He make His path smooth for him;

Yes this is G-d

I am not debating whether G-d is our father. I agree that THE FATHER that title in the Bible is G-d

But I said, from the start I dont see how people who are not G-d or not your biological father, can be called FATHER, as in Father Thomas or who ever.

This is what I am saying, you have not brought anything, which makes sense of this.

 

[glo]

The catholic church is not a sect, so we are not discussing here sectarian issues:rollseyes I hope this is more clear now.
The moderators will advice you don't pick one of oldest religion from Earth and call it non christian.Sorry to be so harsh.

Hi Mara

Please don't feel attacked. Nobody should make you feel that way! :-\

The term 'sectarian' refers to denominations, not just sects.

By no means was I calling the catholic church a sect!
I have nothing against Catholics! Many of my friends and family are Catholics.

Please accept my apologies if I have made you feel anything but welcome and respected! :embarrass

Peace.

 

[Tania]

Please accept my apologies if I have made you feel anything but welcome and respected! :embarrass

Peace.

You should not apologise :-[.I misunderstood.Sorry.

 

[4-Christ-Alone]

What i have been taught as a christian is that God could not be with sinners, so thats why he had to become us, i.e a man to be in our presence.

I should have look more in sriptures about it by now, but i wll be searching for the answers as of now.

Peace,

Sorry to bring this back up, i said i wud look for scriptures that wud suggest or say Jesus was God in the flesh.

So here i go

If someone came up to you and said praise to you my Lord and God almighty, im sure you would all correct them saying i am not your God or any type of God. Look at what Jesus reponse to when Thomas in John 20:28 said to Jesus My Lord and My God

Jesus said in John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed

Now wudnt Jesus correct him in saying he was not God in any shape or form?

Another example in John...

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD
John 1:14 AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

Peace

 

[- Qatada -]

Hey.


Not to go offtopic, but can someone tell me what posts you guys want deleted? Regarding the christian sects etc? Just post the post no.s and i'll delete them insha'Allaah (God willing.)



Peace.

 

[Woodrow]

Hey.


Not to go offtopic, but can someone tell me what posts you guys want deleted? Regarding the christian sects etc? Just post the post no.s and i'll delete them insha'Allaah (God willing.)



Peace.

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Just my personal feelings and views. I do not see any post I would desire for you to remove. although the thread seems to have taken many twists and turns, in reality the thread is composed of different views and the subject of the OP does encomess a wide range of subjects.

Just my opinion.

 

[glo]

Hey.


Not to go offtopic, but can someone tell me what posts you guys want deleted? Regarding the christian sects etc? Just post the post no.s and i'll delete them insha'Allaah (God willing.) Peace.

Hi Fi_Sabilillah

I think it was just me who got worried about causing divisiveness between the Christians in this forum.
If everybody else is happy with the thread, and the mods have no problems with it, then that's fine with me.

Thanks! :thankyou:

 

[- Qatada -]

:wasalamex


Okay, thanks glo and jazak Allaah khayr bro woodrow. If you got anymore problems, just hit the report button insha'Allaah [the red button

]


Peace.

 

[Umar001]

Sorry to bring this back up, i said i wud look for scriptures that wud suggest or say Jesus was God in the flesh.

Don't be!

Sorry if my response took some time, I'm trying to do lots of things at once lol.

If someone came up to you and said praise to you my Lord and God almighty, im sure you would all correct them saying i am not your God or any type of God.

I sure would!

Look at what Jesus reponse to when Thomas in John 20:28 said to Jesus My Lord and My God

I think maybe it would be best of I quoted it because we have non-Christians who may not know the scripture, I hope thats ok, plus it should show us the context.

John 20:28

Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

So most people that tell me this, I ask, If someone you thought was dead, walked in a Room after 3 days and 3 nights, having wholes where he was wounded, a person you love, you grieved because you thought he died but he walks in with wounds on him, what would you say? I know I would say 'Oh My G-d, Lord have mercy!' Or something.

I watched one of those cops shows, and this woman approached an undercover cop who she thought was a hit man and asked him to perfom a hit on her husband, basically they then staged a hit, she was then asked to go to the police station to give some details, and then the police brought her pretty much alive husband infront of her, the one she 'saw dead'.

She sat there screaming something like 'Oh Lord, Oh My God' for a couple of minutes.

Now do we honestly think, that she thought he was her G-d??

Its a phrase. Think about how many times someone has brought yu bad news and you said to them "Oh My G-d!"

...Jesus said in John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed

Ok, lets see the context, what was it that Thomas had believed?

For the benefit of those without a bible I will paste some previous verses to give us an insight:

John 20:24-25

Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!"
But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."

So we see, the disciples saw Jesus, as they believe resurected this was a big thing since they all believed Jesus had died. But Thomas said I will not believe, believe what??? That he had resurected, so when Jesus comes back to them in the room a week later in front of Thomas, Thomas now believes that Jesus was alive, thus Jesus says

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

It is simple, Thomas saw Jesus and believed in the that he was alive again, so blessed is he who doesnt see Jesus but believes, in what, his resurection.

Lets look at who Peter believed Jesus to be which should clear things up:
Matthew 16:15-16

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Which is pretty different from saying He is G-d. Without any preconditioning we can see the exclamation of Thomas was of surprise, if we take it all into context.

Now wudnt Jesus correct him in saying he was not God in any shape or form?

He sure would, but as context shows Thomas said 'My Lord and My G-d' as most of us do, in surprise, Jesus didnt correct him, because as most of us when we tell someone something and they say Oh My G-d, we realise they aint caling us G-d but are expressing their suprise.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD
John 1:14 AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

'And the word was with G-d (ho theos) and the word was G-d (ton theos)

In the greek the words used for 'the word was with G-d' is different from the other 'the word was G-d' see. The second word, which describes Jesus as G-d is also used to describe Satan believe it or not as G-d, in 2 Corinthians 4:4

"the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not."

Does this mean Satan is G-d too?

In the bible there are places where other being except Almighty G-d are called G-d, or are said to be made like G-d, but this is only to show the authority they have been allowed.

Psalms 82:6

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High"

Exodus 7:1

"And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made you a god to Pharaoh"

But we all agree that these are not G-d.

Also notice although the same greek word is used, 2 Corithians 4:4 says 'a god' small letters and everything and John 1:1 says God.

The bias of translators. :heated:

Peace

Peace be upon you too.

May Jesus son of Mary be immune to any lies ascribed to him by Muslims or Christians and may peace from the Almighty G-d be upon him and his mother.

Ameen.

 

[4-Christ-Alone]

Isa, maybe ur taking it in the context you want to believe rather than what it is, Just because people use oh my God or something like that 2day in surprise, doesnt mean to say Thomas used it this was.

Also Thomas said My Lord, ""AND"" my God. remeber Thomas would have loved Jesus, and seeing him again would have been amazing, like if a small child sees there mum for the first time after a while apart, they run up shouting MUM, just like thomas could have said to Jesus My lord and my God after seeing him.