Some Muslim schools 'make children despise the West': Ban on cricket and Harry Potter

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Dawud_uk said:
believing in islam also means rejection of taghoot and all false idiologies, anyone who claims another way of life is a kaffir by their actions and speech no matter what they feel is in their heart.

this is the meaning of imaan, what is in the heart, what is confirmed on the tongue and what is shown through actions.

anyone who has hindu on their id is a kaffir and there is nothing wrong with saying so, rejection of disbelief is part of our imaan, one of the conditions of the shahadah, al-wala wal bara
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Hmm well last friday i was listening a beautiful recitation of the battle of Uhud. And one of the shaheeds was a Jew, who didn't say shahada, or offer one rakat of prayer or changed the "religion" on their name tag.
 
Dawud_uk said:
believing in islam also means rejection of taghoot and all false idiologies, anyone who claims another way of life is a kaffir by their actions and speech no matter what they feel is in their heart.

this is the meaning of imaan, what is in the heart, what is confirmed on the tongue and what is shown through actions.

anyone who has hindu on their id is a kaffir and there is nothing wrong with saying so, rejection of disbelief is part of our imaan, one of the conditions of the shahadah, al-wala wal bara
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Oh really brother? Thanks for enlightening me about what Islam is all about according to U. But I m not going to buy ur idea and waste even a single penny of thought. Thanks anyways, and feel free to call me a kafir, whenever u wish. Difference of opinion shouldnt stop U to use religiously correct words. Peace.
 
Non-Muslims are generally referred to as kuffar (pl) in Islam. This is common knowlegde. It really isn't as big a deal as you guys are making it to seem.
 
Malaikah said:
Non-Muslims are generally referred to as kuffar (pl) in Islam. This is common knowlegde. It really isn't as big a deal as you guys are making it to seem.
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I dont mind or feel bad when called a kafir, but nothing can stop me to thank the believer whenever he or she calls me a kafir. Its simple.
 
Malaikah said:
Non-Muslims are generally referred to as kuffar (pl) in Islam. This is common knowlegde. It really isn't as big a deal as you guys are making it to seem.
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Not really, there is actually another word that is a closer translation of non muslim(which the prophet used).

I'll dig it out IA
 
Pomak said:
I feel inclined to agree with the hindu. I know at least one hindu who believes in monotheism and Muhammad's prophethood.
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yet he is still a Hindu? hm.... and this is where we part company (real Hindu is not on tawhid (oneness of Allah) but oneness of universe (everything is or can be god or can be united with god)
Malaikah said:
Non-Muslims are generally referred to as kuffar (pl) in Islam. This is common knowlegde. It really isn't as big a deal as you guys are making it to seem.
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wrong! refutation @ http://www.islamicboard.com/clarifi...5-difference-between-kaffirs-non-muslims.html
Dawud_uk said:
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i would suggest you start a different thread if gets too long a discussion, but i have heard the arguments against not calling non-muslims kuffar and disagree with them,

Allah calls them kuffar, the prophet muhammad (saws) used this term also when referring to them, as have all the scholars down through the ages.
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wrong! refutation @ http://www.islamicboard.com/clarifi...5-difference-between-kaffirs-non-muslims.html
 
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Fishman said:
but the Daily Fail is a right-wing newspaper with a habit of distorting stories to make them more shocking.
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Which is why I also went and posted the links for civitas research. While they say its small ammount, there is some "intresting" material there. Such as the following:

‘TV reports [show]… ugly massacres by the US and British invasion forces. This is a disgrace, God help our Muslim people in Iraq be victorious over the infidels… God destroy them all.

A former teacher at al‐Noor school, Ilford, Abu Hasnayn Murtaza Khan, is hostile to Jews and Christians with equal vigour. On Audio CDs, such as Return to the Quran by Knowledge Books, he said: ‘Those whom the wrath of Allah is upon, is the Jews, is the Christians.’ He continued: ‘We have become Jews in our clothing, Jews in our eating, Jews in everything that we do, and the other half is Christian in everything we do. Muslims are following one of these accursed nations. And people are still not waking up to understand the fact that these people are enemies towards us.’
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Malaikah said:
Non-Muslims are generally referred to as kuffar (pl) in Islam. This is common knowlegde. It really isn't as big a deal as you guys are making it to seem.
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Unfortunately that word is also quite regularly used as a racist slur, which is what is making it slowly a big deal. Similar to what has happened to the word negro/neger etc.
 
Suomipoika said:
Which is why I also went and posted the links for civitas research. While they say its small ammount, there is some "intresting" material there. Such as the following:

‘TV reports [show]… ugly massacres by the US and British invasion forces. This is a disgrace, God help our Muslim people in Iraq be victorious over the infidels… God destroy them all.

A former teacher at al‐Noor school, Ilford, Abu Hasnayn Murtaza Khan, is hostile to Jews and Christians with equal vigour. On Audio CDs, such as Return to the Quran by Knowledge Books, he said: ‘Those whom the wrath of Allah is upon, is the Jews, is the Christians.’ He continued: ‘We have become Jews in our clothing, Jews in our eating, Jews in everything that we do, and the other half is Christian in everything we do. Muslims are following one of these accursed nations. And people are still not waking up to understand the fact that these people are enemies towards us.’
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would you like LI to form a vigilante gang and go string him up or can we leave it with law enforcement agencies of the UK government to sort it out:confused:
 
doorster said:
would you like LI to form a vigilante gang and go string him up or can we leave it with law enforcement agencies of the UK government to sort it out:confused:
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No, I would like to see similar reaction from muslims as we see from example from finns. Condemnation of racism towards different kind of people than us. So far Ive only seen Khatami (the former Iranian president) speaking against stereotypia and racism towards westeners. But please, correct me if I am wrong.
 
I have seen Civitas described somewhere as a "right-wing think tank". Is there any truth to this? I'm not making any particular point, just asking.
 
Osman said:
I have seen Civitas described somewhere as a "right-wing think tank". Is there any truth to this? I'm not making any particular point, just asking.
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it is another national front by another name
Institute for the Study of Civil Society (Civitas) is a right-wing think-tank which distributes pamphlets opposing immigration and asylum
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literate older brothers of skinheads
 
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if you are not one of them, you can go to their website and read the tripe

or if you are British (in Britain), sooner or later a leaflet will drop through you letterbox, which will tell you their aims.

or if you are one of them you already know what you are!
 
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Osman said:
I have seen Civitas described somewhere as a "right-wing think tank". Is there any truth to this? I'm not making any particular point, just asking.
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After reading their site some, they seem to lean to the right but I wouldnt call them national front.
 
Suomipoika said:
Some Islamic schools are promoting fundamentalist views and encouraging children to despise Western society, a report warns.

An investigation by the Civitas social policy think-tank found websites of some of the UK’s 166 Muslim schools are spreading extreme teachings, while a handful had links to sites promoting jihad, or holy war.

Examples include web forums forbidding Muslims from reading Harry Potter books, playing chess or cricket and listening to Western music.
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This equates to making children hate the West?

Look what I found on Google. ZOMG, certain Chrisitans do not like Harry Potter, therefore they hate The West TM!

Chess is a really tangled issue Islamically, but to say forbidding people to participate in it equates to making them despise The West TM is also a specious argument.

Music is similarly tangled, and to say telling kids not to listen to it makes them despise the West is entirely the wrong conclusion. The right (i.e. more sane) conclusions might be more along the lines of saying this amounts to social exclusion of sorts, as opposed to assuming such things breed hatred.

Cricket? I have never heard of that being forbidden. Those teachers must not be from an Indo-Pakistani background.

Examples include the website of the Madani Girls’ School in East London which stated: ‘Our children are exposed to a culture that is in opposition with almost everything Islam stands for.

‘If we oppose the lifestyle of the West then it does not seem sensible that the teachers and the system which represents that lifestyle should educate our children.’

The report claims this ‘bruising comment’ gives children a ‘negative picture of Western life’.
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Similar sentiments are the reason for the existence all faith schools. If Civitas, or the hacks at the Daily Mail, had an ounce of integrity as to this particular matter, they would have realised that their target is not Islamic schools, but faith schools as a whole.
 
My sister goes to BCMA and nothing but music is banned.
 
Ofsted checks on school extremism

Ofsted inspectors are to check that schools are promoting tolerance for other cultures, in a survey of independent faith schools in England.

The education watchdog has been asked to examine the spiritual and cultural ethos being taught.

Last month, a think tank claimed some Muslim schools were allowing pupils to be influenced by extremist values.

Schools Secretary Ed Balls said schools must prepare pupils for "life in wider British society".

The Association of Muslim Schools has welcomed the announcement.

"As Muslim schools we believe that we are at the forefront of preparing children and young people to face the challenges of life in modern Britain and to also contribute in a positive way to wider society," said a statement from the association.

'Ethos and values'

The report from think tank Civitas, called Music, Chess and other Sins: Segregation, Integration, and Muslim Schools in Britain, claimed that some Muslim schools were allowing extremist views to be promoted.

The Association of Muslim Schools had attacked that report as "divisive and dishonest".

Mr Balls has now asked Ofsted to carry out a survey in a small number of independent faith schools to investigate how they support the "spiritual, moral, social and cultural development of pupils".

"Some concerns have been raised recently about practice in a small minority of independent faith schools and whether they are effectively preparing pupils for life in wider British society," said Mr Balls.

The survey will consider the "ethos and values" of the schools and the influences on pupils through the curriculum, activities outside lessons and links with other organisations.

A large majority of Muslim schools are within the independent sector - although there are plans for an expansion of Muslim schools within the state sector.

The survey will look at a sample of schools from different faith groups.
In 2005 the then chief inspector of schools, David Bell, sparked a row when he said that independent Muslim schools must make greater efforts to show pupils a "common heritage".

Source (BBC News)
 

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