The Feminists

[Muslim Knight]

. Women who are stay-at-home moms are ridiculed.

... by feminists AKA so-called champions of women's rights.

A similar situation could be occurring with the recent statements about women in Islamic culture.

It's not Islamic culture. It's purely local customs. Like honor-killings and forced arranged marriage, it wasn't taught in Islam but local traditions and customs. You can look up anywhere in the Quran & Sunnah of the Prophet and not find justification for treating women badly. In contrast, the Prophet insists that treating women well is part of faith.

Those who follow a more traditional family system are seen as "slaves" or a victim to be rescued.

Again, by feminists and again, of local customs and not Islamic teachings.

I'm not saying that women's rights haven't been violated in many Muslim countries, because obviously they have.

As per above.

Islam has been championing women's rights for a thousand years now. You can look up articles in the forum explaining the positions, rights and privileges of Muslim women. For starters, in remote Hindu villages the women are obliged to throw themselves into fire to accompany their dead husbands. Yet, this kind of thing is never thought of in Islam. Instead, Muslim women who wilfuly and of personal choice don the hijab are seen as 'oppressed' and need to 'liberated' by their feminist counterparts who, as I've explained earlier, are selective of which rights they want to demand from men.

If anything could be blamed, I'd say it's local customs and traditions.

 

[muzna]

Palestinization???

 

[Muslim Knight]

oh yous talkin bout the m-east i live in europe so its differentially over up in here

nope. i'm talking about feminist movement all around the world.

 

[aamirsaab]

we're not even allowed to make our mums say "uff" NOT EVEN BY ACCIDENT !!! now thats what u call ELEVATION !!

And when your mum responds to the "uff" with a tiger uppercut, that is also elevation .

 

[Muslim Knight]

we're not even allowed to make our mums say "uff" NOT EVEN BY ACCIDENT !!! now thats what u call ELEVATION !!

I thought it was rather we are not even by accident, allowed to say "uff!" to our moms instead of the other way around.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I thought it was rather we are not even by accident, allowed to say "uff!" to our moms instead of the other way around.

lol dont know brother, but the meaning stays close to the same mashaAllah.

 

[strider]

feminists lets not go there..had enough of them in sociology...they well embarassing...

Either your sociology teacher is rubbish or you aren't understanding what the feminists cause is all about. Enlighten us, what is so embarrassing about standing up for women rights and campaigning to be treated equally to men in society? The feminist movement first arouse in an age where women are not seen as equals in society.. and you think that is embarassing?

You have your ranting extremists (like you do in all groups) but i'm surprised to hear that you find feminists to be a source of embarrassment. I would have thought this was the last thing coming from a sociology student.

 

[Fishman]

I agree with the feminists who don't want men to oppress women. But I think the ones who say things like 'religion has no right to interfere with a women's life' are completely stupid. Religion is supposed to interfere with the lives of all believers, women do not have special rights that mean that God's Orders don't apply to them.
Let's look 'beyond the veil' (as the feminists always say) and see how men and women are treated by Islam:

• Men must attend the Masjid every Friday, women have the option of attending or not.
• Men have no respite from fasting unless they are ill, women have periods.
• Men must wear an Ihram during Hajj, women just have to chose modest clothes.
• Men must go in front of women in Jummah, which means that they cannot accidentally look at a women during prayer at all.
• A man is always the Imam in a mixed prayer, which further prevents men from looking at women.
• Men may not wear silk or gold, whilst women can.

Islam contains many things which may be seen as oppressive to men, as well as many things which are seen by some as oppressive to women. Due to their arrogance and ignorance, feminists only point out the things which restrict women, in a way of saying 'women are more valuable than men and need to be treated better than them'.
Feminists also overlook the fact that what is considered oppression to them is protection to others. Feminists say that women are valuable, and therefore should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm other people or property. Muslims say that women are valuable, and therefore should be protected and hidden from men who may want to harm them.

 

[duskiness]

It's really sad to see feminist movement ridiculed by you!
What's wrong with it???? Feminism is simply against inequality based on sex. Is it so wrong? It's against determining one's life way because of.
If you want to be a house wife, be one! Don't want? Than do something different! The fact that someone is a woman shouldn't be a limit to her dreams! Or the fact that she has a "worse days" doesn't make her less independent, mind weaker.

I heard that Feminists are Lesbians is that true? :?

Feminists are first of all human, and thats how they want to be treated. Man can be feminist, hetero- may, bi- may, homosexual my be feminists.
I you are asking me - no, I'm not lesbian.

basically they group of women who believe they not getting equal rights n that men are much more suprior than women n they fightin against that to get equal rights...buh its stupid really...[well the definiton may not b accurate buh summat alonf them lines]

what's stupid?

what about the rights to pee standing up (when you have to, in emergencies for example), grow a moustache and a beard, work at the construction site, serve in the frontlines, clean the sewerage etc...

you REALLY want answer to this?????

It's unfair to demand to be treated equally if the ladies can't do men's jobs even the menial ones

sorry i'm physically weaker than you. but only physically. And that's the only place, where we are unequal.

black sheeps i guess

feminists also have black sheep, but don't judge all because of some

you sed it, men and women are both different and equal on different levels.

"all animals are equal but some are more equal"??? There is only one level of equality.

wilberhum - i virtually hug you! you must be a great father!

 

[akulion]

lol this is what happens when u dont discuss a topic seriously and start making silly comments @ everyone

learn a lesson and next time when starting a thread DISCUSS properly providing supporting arguments and not just chit chat.....

It is sad to see topics in which there is just chit chat going on thats why in my past post i only commented on the maths and nothing else cos I knew it would be useless to write something long and thought out only to recieve a silly reply

lol

crazy I tell u

2 funny

 

[muzna]

Abu Hurairah r.a. said : A man came to Rasulullah s.a.w. and said : "O Rasulullah, who of mankind is most entitled to the best of my companionship ?". Rasulullah said : "Your mother". He said :"Then who ?". Rasulullah said : "Your mother". He said :"Then who ?". Rasulullah said : "Your mother". He said :"Then who ?". Rasulullah said : "Your father". ( Bukhari, Muslim )

According to several authentic hadith including the one narrated in Ahmed and Ibn-e-Majah, “Paradise lies at the feet of the mother”

 

[Malaikah]

No one should be sitting in a corner when it comes to female genital mutilation. :grumbling :grumbling :grumbling

FGM has nothing to do with Islam! It's a stupid culture practise that ignorant people somehow deceive themselves into thinking is Islamic.

sorry i'm physically weaker than you. but only physically. And that's the only place, where we are unequal.

What about emotionally? How many mean do you who suffer from PMS? Men and women are different in more ways that just physical aspects, that should be obvious to anyone. :rollseyes

Enlighten us, what is so embarrassing about standing up for women rights and campaigning to be treated equally to men in society?

Nothing wrong with it, but you do realise that a lot of their ideas are against Islamic ideas dont you?

The feminist movement first arouse in an age where women are not seen as equals in society.. and you think that is embarassing?

True they needed it, but you know what, we dont need it! Why? cos Islam already gives us our rights. Maybe sme people dont realise these rights, but in that case we aim to educate them through islam, not feminism

 

[muzna]

No one should be sitting in a corner when it comes to female genital mutilation. :grumbling :grumbling :grumbling

FGM is a practice than existed before the advent of Islam.

A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: “Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.” Sunan Abu Dawûd, Book 41, #5251.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

"all animals are equal but some are more equal"??? There is only one level of equality.

you compare men and women to animals lol ok.
anyway what im saying is that men and women have their own area and purpose, one shouldnt try to be like the other.

well thats my understanding !

 

[Sum-Muslim-Gal]

Either your sociology teacher is rubbish or you aren't understanding what the feminists cause is all about. Enlighten us, what is so embarrassing about standing up for women rights and campaigning to be treated equally to men in society? The feminist movement first arouse in an age where women are not seen as equals in society.. and you think that is embarassing?

You have your ranting extremists (like you do in all groups) but i'm surprised to hear that you find feminists to be a source of embarrassment. I would have thought this was the last thing coming from a sociology student.

womens right ok...why do women get oppressed through culture right...
religion teaches women to be equal to men...feminist they are tooo extreme in the fact that they want to be better than men or suprior than men...society has changed alot from back inthe old days and i can tell u women now adays can do what they want ....yes being a sociology student has helped me alot about the society we live in today...all these feminists want is more right than men...n i dont see why they actually want that because women are having evry oportunity to actually build up on their career path etc....and i have a mind to cristise right as i am socilogy student after all...what do these women want ...do they want to take the role of men[bredwinner] and men take over the role of women[instrumental role]... yes in other parts of the country u do have that oppression of women not being able to be free beause of male dominate society..but u cannot blame the men for that its purely culture..not islam what so ever..islam lets women do alot of things as long its with in the islamic law...

n my socilogy teacher...RUBBISH..*puuuhhh*...N i came out with an A grade in my exam..ok...feminsts i understand...they go to far with it..i do understand them in some issues...but i can hosly today in society women are free..

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ respect


btw im out of reps :-\

 

[Sum-Muslim-Gal]

^^ all be waiting ..lol..

i think i wud have gone on forever bt honestly..i dont get them sometimes..

 

[guyabano]

She also condemns veiling and female genital mutilation and makes statistically unsupported claims about high rates of domestic violence in Muslim countries.

And I always thought, in muslim families doesn't exist domestic violence? :rant: :rollseyes

 

[Tania]

I think if the women would have been presidents would have been much more peace in the world. - would rule the peace

 

[guyabano]

I think if the women would have been presidents would have been much more peace in the world. - would rule the peace

I agree with you in this point ! Even though, not all are so good also. The german chancelor Angela Merkel has lost much in popularity and credibility