The lebanese demands

[adi8putra]

please don't speak for all of US acknowledging that Hezballah is wrong ... until they free the prisoners held illegally in their prisons some for over 28 yrs without due cause ... hand over the map for the mines in Lebanon which continues to kill children. the Brutality used against Palestinians for no particular reason as was reported in their own Haretz and as seen in the video which I know is a drop in an ocean of brutality can we come and state yes how awful they should have kidnapped those two innocent soldiers which by the way many believe were trotting Lebanese territory... So you want to acknowledge wrong speak for self not on our behalf

first of all, read my lips! i'm saying "not all of us " & nowhere does i denotes as "all of us". so, chilled out will ya? nevertheless, i still would like to make it a point that i'm among one of those who DOES NOT agreed with hizbollah action that lead to this crisis! u may have urs, and so does mine. atleast we could agree on that, can we? :rollseyes

on the palestinian issues, i tend to agree with urs....:hiding:

 

[aamirsaab]

The bbc has proven without a shadow of a doubt it's pure incompetence and unreliability when it comes to reporting.

Whenever it pleases to do so the itchy Palestinian trigger finger couldn't resist lobbing almost fifty mortars and rockets into Israel and the BBC doesn't report stuff like that, yet if Israel sends in a tank to the strip to disarm these criminal thugs the BBC report a SHAME campaign.

So the BBC has absolutely no credibility whatsoever as far as im concerned.

It's funny you know, I hear the exact same thing from the opposite side all the time.

OT: Personally, I think until either side has had their demands fulfilled - or is satiated sufficiently with the result given, a ceasefire is made (for all participants). This should prevent the deathtoll from continuing. So instead of having minimal casualities, how bout none at all, eh?

 

[Fishman]

Israel has dropped about 10,000 tonnes of bombs on Lebanon. That's about the same as the Americans dropped on Hiroshima. That killed 60,000 people. The Israelis have killed about 800. Hezbollah has fired about 50 tonnes of explosives at Israel. They have killed about 20 civilians. You can see that by any rational comparison Israel is extremely careful not to kill civilians - far more so than Hezbollah for instance. They are not killing at any chance.

The number of non-civilians killed in Lebanon is tiny. What has Israel been using those explosives on? People's homes probably.

And this is not a diversion from that article I posted. I urge anyone who can stand hearing about such horrific crimes to read it. I have not recieved a ledgible answer to it yet. and if you want a non-BBC opinion, here's wikipedia. And this article has images to prove it.

 

[afriend]

The bbc has proven without a shadow of a doubt it's pure incompetence and unreliability when it comes to reporting.

Whenever it pleases to do so the itchy Palestinian trigger finger couldn't resist lobbing almost fifty mortars and rockets into Israel and the BBC doesn't report stuff like that, yet if Israel sends in a tank to the strip to disarm these criminal thugs the BBC report a SHAME campaign.

So the BBC has absolutely no credibility whatsoever as far as im concerned.

Hahahahahahaha!!!

So much BullS**T I have never heard in my life......LOOOOLLL!!!!!!!!!!

ROFL!!!!!!!!!! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey buddy...ur making a jackass of yourself HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!

Western media supporting Palestine??? ;D

Let me enlarge that for you!!!!

WESTERN MEDIA GOING AGAINST ISRAEL???

ROFLLLL!!!!!!!!!

 

[aamirsaab]

Israel has been defending itself from a terrorist war imposed on it by organizations such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah. International law explicitly gives Israel the right to conduct military operations against military targets in these circumstances.As regrettable as it is to lose children in war the blame should be totally directed to the criminal thugs who start these problems HEZBOLLAH, HAMAS,Islamic Jihad and their likes.

Again, the blame game; the justification for anything.

As for terrorist wars, quit whilst you're ahead.

 

[جوري]

Then why do you hate Jewish people for? Arabs have jewish people from day one the day Abraham chose isaac before ishmael and threw ishmael and hagar into the desert and unfortunately to our dismay, ishmael survived

I don't hate Jewish people ... to Muslims they are People of the book... I detest Israel however as it has nothing to do with the original tribes and in fact is a terrorist state that accuses its host of just that.... Abraham loved both his sons ... and contrary to your hand written scripts... it was Ishmael who was chosen for sacrifice ... if you don't believe that then why does it say in the bible take your ONLY son ... if it were Isaac then surely he had two at the time for Isaac came after Ishmael.... and from that horrible desert you speak is the first house of God Mecca..,. and "Maqam" Abraham by the Kaaba... for all worshippers to prostrate themselves to God/ the one God ... also the well of water zamzam which allowed many tribes to live there after it was an arid land..... it became arable ... any more conflicts you want resolved?

 

[Fishman]

I dont where you get your figures from pal but i can gurantee you 800 lebo's haven't been killed the official figure is more around the mark of and 350-380 and 200 of those are hezbollah thugs. so if you ask me i think Israel is doing a fine job of finding hezbollah and eliminating their presence.

Lets not forget that hezbollah has launched 90 katyusha rocket missiles into israel so far. This isn't a one sided thing as you all may seem to think. 55 israelis have already been killed in this too. and 10,000 tonnes of bomb you are absolutely lying through your teeth. bombs were targeted to roads, ports, airports because of it's strategic importance.

If you shut the ports, airports, and roads down then hezbollah can't get any help from anywhere.

I dunno where your getting your info from either, only thirty-two Millitants died on the Hizbollah side. source.

 

[جوري]

Yet you get your help from Duluth, Miami and Seattle... ahahahaha... what hypocrites ... same hypocrites that want to impose U.N resolutions on Hezballah yet themselves are in defiance of fifty of them....... it is a waste to even sit here and argue with you ... my God ... go into the bosom of your Zionist apartheid state ...

 

[adi8putra]

Moshe,
just one advise, stop having prejudice view on almost everything.
if u think that the jews is the choosen people by god above all else, u r no better than the nazi's and their aryan myth!
if u think that it's better of israel to exterminating all people who they r suspicious with, then u r no better than the gestapos in the holocaust.
if u r always suspicious about the arabs people as a whole, than u r no better than people who are afraid of their own shadows... for the rest of ur life.

be sensible here, will ya?

get to the roots to the problem. maybe ur arguments about the palestinian statehood is valid, but, it does not gives u the rights to treat them as a pariah, an outcast for the rest of their life. yes, they will always be some "terrorists" who will always launch rockets into israel, but, it does not give u the rights to punish the whole people just bcoz u dont know who ur enemies are? treat others with kindness, just as u expected urself to be treated. its that simple. by resorting to violence, through excessive use of force, u'll always be successful in creating more enemies. the best part is, u never knew who they are. u might have the mightiest armies in the world, but u'll remain paranoia for the rest of ur life.

stop being prejudice...

 

[scentsofjannah]

Since the year 700 B.C , Lebanon was occupied by various nations :egyptians,greeks,persians,arabs,ottomans,the french,the syrians...and none of them ever managed to fully control the small country.The ottoman sultan was never able to put Lebanon under his control until WW1 and the lebanese encouraged the arabs to revolt which they finally did.
The french were forced out of the country in 1943,the syrians too in 2005 after the assasination of PM Rafik Hariri credited for rebuilding the country.The israelis were also forced out of the country in 2000 by the lebanese resistance (Mostly Hezbollah in the 90's and many other christian/muslim groups before 1990).
This is a country that has a reputation of humiliating its ennemies often stronger than the lebanese...but now the majority here have had enough,we are gonna make it through this war like we always have and the so-called "invincible israeli army" has already suffered a lot of losses,it's not just us...they were surprised by the determination of the lebanese people.But the majority want this to be the final war.This country has suffered so much, more than any other country.And here is what the majority here want:
1-A cease fire.
2-A prisoner exchange
3-An israeli retreat from the Chebaa farms (and a paper form Syria declaring that they are lebanese which the syrians haven't done so far)
4-A UN peace-keeping force on the borders.
5-Hezbollah militants joining the army.
6-A redeployment of the army to defend the borders.
7-A map from Israel indicating the places of the mines containing explosives in southern Lebanon that they left behind in 2000.

And we also wanna sue Israel for destroying the infrastructure and killing 600 civilians (though we know they won't pay).

I'd like to know.What are your opinions on these demands?

fantastico!..dont care what the warmongers here say..let them not intimidate you...God protect you and all the other innocents ameen

 

[afriend]

Alhamdulillah he is gone.....No normal Jew/Israeli would be as arrogant/ignorant as him...Just look at Lavikor as an example for Israelis/Jews

Anyways....Let's cut the off topic posts now ok?

 

[Ayesha Rana]

I think these demands are perfectly reasonable though why they would be accepted when those 'warmongers' (lol!) are such terrorists to have attacked Lebanon in the first place is past me. Of course they may still have a trace of human nature left in them.

 

[Muezzin]

Anyways....Let's cut the off topic posts now ok?

Yes, let's.

Back to the topic please.

 

[scentsofjannah]

Well no. It is not beyond any Lebanese politician to vote for something they have no intention of supporting. Perhaps Hezbollah knows these demands will be rejected and so support them because they are painless?

The problems are: 1. prisoner exchanges. Israel should not reward kidnappers as that just encourages more kidnapping. I doubt that Israel holds any Lebanese prisoners who do not deserve it anyway. Those people deserve to remain in jail. 2. Letting Hezbollah join the Army means that the Army will become Hezbollah as it is mainly Shia anyway. I suppose that the Lebanese could live with that and any coup would be 10 to 15 years away anyway. But deploying it to the border means deploying Hezbollah to the border. Which gets no one anywhere.

The solution to this problem is in the hands of the Lebanese. They will have to decide if they want peace with Israel or more war. If they want peace they have to restrain terrorist groups who operate from within Lebanon.

you're extremely heartless Heigou!! here we have a Lebanese citizen telling us what the majority of her people and her legitimate Government want (one can say theres a clear consensus if you watch the lebanese tv channels or speak to lebanese people in the west and elsewhere) and you come in and have the nerve to totally rubbish her and her peoples demands? btw its no different than what the UN and France and Russia and almost every other nation save Britain and the US called for..

Sister Lara doesnt give a rats behind about your views or suggestions..she and her suffering people have huge support from the international community..All praise to Almighty God.

 

[scentsofjannah]

Then why do you hate Jewish people for? Arabs have jewish people from day one the day Abraham chose isaac before ishmael and threw ishmael and hagar into the desert and unfortunately to our dismay, ishmael survived

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy gawwwwwwwd!!

i want to cry a river..are you serious???????????

plz tell me you're not..

tell me you have a heart.

 

[Ex_]

Moshe has a point, think about it? what does every war raging in the world have in common?

Muslims

 

[Fishman]

Moshe has a point, think about it? what does every war raging in the world have in common?

Muslims

They also have Westerners involved too, usually as the people who started the whole problem during the 1800s. Without colonialjism, there would be no wars in the Muslim world. And the conflicts in Ireland and Korea have zilch to do with Muslims.

 

[KAding]

They also have Westerners involved too, usually as the people who started the whole problem during the 1800s. Without colonialjism, there would be no wars in the Muslim world. And the conflicts in Ireland and Korea have zilch to do with Muslims.

While I absolutely agree that not all major wars have something to do with Muslims, I am somewhat puzzeled by this claim that there 'would be no wars in the Muslim world' without colonialism. Surely there was plenty of war in the Muslim world before European colonialism, both between Muslims and between Muslims and non-Muslims? I mean, as an example, didn't the Ottomans fight both the Mameluks and the Safavid Empire. Or think of the wars between the different Turkish tribes. Or between the Mughal Empire and the Indian sultanates.

 

[HeiGou]

you're extremely heartless Heigou!! here we have a Lebanese citizen telling us what the majority of her people and her legitimate Government want (one can say theres a clear consensus if you watch the lebanese tv channels or speak to lebanese people in the west and elsewhere) and you come in and have the nerve to totally rubbish her and her peoples demands? btw its no different than what the UN and France and Russia and almost every other nation save Britain and the US called for..

How is what I said heartless? No doubt the majority of Lebanese want a lot of things - to win the World Cup and become millionaires for instance. That is not the question. The question is what can the Lebanese do given their circumstances and there is an obvious problem with putting Hezbollah into Lebanese Army uniforms and letting them patrol the Israeli border. What is wrong with pointing that out?

I did not, you should have noticed, totally rubbish her people's demands much less her. There is a lot of good sense in those demand and I feel sorry for her and respect her for saying what she thinks. But there are still problems with those demands.

Sister Lara doesnt give a rats behind about your views or suggestions..she and her suffering people have huge support from the international community..All praise to Almighty God.

No doubt. Not enough support in the international community to make Israel stop I notice.

 

[HeiGou]

They also have Westerners involved too, usually as the people who started the whole problem during the 1800s. Without colonialjism, there would be no wars in the Muslim world. And the conflicts in Ireland and Korea have zilch to do with Muslims.

So you are denying there were any wars in the Islamic world before European colonialism? Boy I have seen some efforts at blaming the West, but this one takes the cake. Colonialism came late to most of the Middle East. It stopped fairly soon after. It was mainly in a very mild form. It was over 50 years ago. Stop blaming us for their problems.

I agree that the conflicts in Ireland and Korea have little to do with Islam or Muslims, but it is very noticeable that most of the world's conflicts take place in countries with large numbers of Muslims. Indeed if the world did not have any Marxists or any Muslim radicals, it would essentially have no terrorism as they are the only two groups out there killing civilians in large numbers today. The exceptions (the LRA in Uganda for instance) are tiny.