The Marriage Thread

Good question. Im not sure. In my culture we have always taken it but kept our own.

So if my last name was Smith, and then i married someone with the last name Johnson, people would call me Mrs.Smith-Johnson in my community. That way we know which family the bride came from.
We also take our fathers first name as our middle name (not officially tho)

So my dad name lets say he is Bob, people will know me as Mira Bob Smith Johnson...in the albanian community that is. So that way they know I am Bob Smiths daughter from the Smith family but now married into the Johnson family.
It sounds more complicated than it really is lol

So yea I dont know about islamically but culturally in my community we take the name for practical purposes and for knowing who married where.

Come to think of it, I think it's more of a culture. I remember asking a friend of mine from Cape Town, South Africa - he said it's a culture/tradition thing for a wife to adopt husband's name.

So you do the hyphenated thing - cool. It is rather complicated! But it makes sense and it's something new I learned today. As for me, IF it is a tradition (I doubt it is as he is from Iraq), then .... my name will be soooo long! My name itself has 2 and in addition to my dad's, there will be 3 and plus his name ... 4 or 6! Madness!!!

Thank you for sharing that and for your explanation. Much appreciated.
 
Honestly, I was thinking of cubic zirconia because it doesn't use child labour :D and also, I don't see why my future husband should spend so much on a ring.

I'm in between actually, and I'm sure when the time comes ... we'll make a decision although according to him, he'd prefer real diamond cause he only wants the best for me. As long as the diamond isn't the first thing you see from afar, then it's fine by me! LOL.

That said, a woman's finger was chopped due to her diamond ring. Can you imagine if it weren't real diamond?? imsad

All the more reason to not want a ring;D

I would love my wife to be childish and jokey but within the limits for me it means we can joke all the time and when we're angry it would be easy to make light of the situation

i wouldnt wanna be all jokey and she's got her nostrils flared up and her eyes are about to bulge out like she's in high altitudes of anger and irritation.............i would be very heartbroken but i wouldnt show it :(

http://baseballsnatcher.mlblogs.com/bulging eyes.jpg

Wallahi ya Abdullahi when this happens RUN, RUN HARD!
There goes my lunch btw..

Sometimes for women who marry somewhat young or young its a given that they will have a certain level of naiveté. Marriage will either mold them into someone more mature or they just might end up back at mommy and daddys.


Interesting...So its adapt or goodbye?? Dont like that to be honest. Means you dont get to be yourself.

Reading this thread got me thinking ...

In Islam, there is no such thing as taking a husband's name, right? So what does it mean when a Muslim woman take his husband's name? Is that a sin?

I know some of my lady friends that do that and it's beyond my comprehension as to why they would want to use their husband's name as it isn't Islamic? Or am I wrong?

I heard it was forbidden and Allah swt knows best. From a practical point of view in the early days they had last names as Ibn Hasjim pointing out who was you father. When a woman takes the last name of her husband it gets all wrong. For a woman it was either her fathers name or a Koenya like Oemm Anas (thats the koenya I want btw dont steel it! :D)
But in Western culture people do take last name of the husband because the law asks them too. Her in Holland that rule doesnt longer excist alhamdoellilah.
 
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Is it clear yet? No? Ok Ill keep going on this tirade of aggravation.
If you go into a marriage thinking HE HAS TO DO THIS, or she HAS to do that, get real. Its not going to happen like that. You have to be willing to work TOGETHER. A married couple are like to pieces of a SINGLE PERSON. What do the body parts and organs do in a person? Work together to keep the body in working order! What happens if one kidney dies or gets so weak it cant do much? The other kidney works over time and eventually dies out too.
Same thing in a marriage, if one person is pulling all the weight eventually the marriage will fall apart.

You cant expect a MAN to listen to whining, nagging, yelling, insults, jabs, rants, raves, tirades, etc and expect him to change. He wont. Disrespect is a HUGE problem these days. People talk to their spouses like its their property, not their loved one and its disgusting. If you want something in your marriage to change, you have to do it with honey, not with vinegar. A man wants respect. There is nothing wrong with giving a man respect. If you respect him, he will feel confident and happy. When he feels confident and happy, you will be treated respectfully and you will be happy.
To the stubborn people who say "Oh why do I have to respect him first? waaaaaaaaa" (read with a 5 year old whiny voice) TAKE THE FIRST STEP if you have to. There is nothing wrong with being the first one to be respectful. Nothing at all. Pride is a major sin, get over yourself and do what you should be doing.


Ill end with the model marriage:
Syrian couple that lives in my neighborhood. Husband is a doctor who makes a huge effort to make it home by 5 p.m. They prepare dinner together if he makes it home on time, if he doesnt, she doesnt get upset. She prepares it herself. The children help her set the table or sometimes he does if he isnt too tired. They eat the meal and ask each other about their days. After dinner, depending on who decides they want to help the table is cleared either by the children, or by the parents together. Sometimes she does it herself, while the husband goes to clean up or sit with the children. They sometimes do the dishes together or one of them does it alone. Do they get fussy with eachother over it? No. Sometimes she is too tired and asks him if she can go lay down for a bit and if he minds, he is glad to let her rest and takes the reigns.


How do I know they are like this? Ive know them for years. Spent so many evenings at their house. My youngest brother has gone there so many times I cant even remember and says they are such a wonderful family. That is how things should be. Working together, but not getting upset over the silliest things.

Great Post Sister...........i hope to achieve the model marriage :statisfie ....but i think most people understand that a marriage is about compromise though :hmm:
 
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I had another question I was thinking about. Do brothers mind if their wife was a little bit childish or naieve or so?? Like would that be a reason to refuse marrying her? You know since she has to grow a thick skin to handle being married and all the stuff that comes with that, bringing up children and stuff.

There has to be limits to the childishness, like Bro Abdullahii said she has to take a joke but if my wife was immature all the time ugh i couldn't stand it.
 
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There has to be limits to the childishness, like Bro Abdullahii said she has to take a joke but if my wife was immature all the time ugh i couldn't stand it.

You should see my wife when she gets around Zainab and the girls;D

I swear they ;Dgiggle;D non-stop for 5 hoursimsad...and usualy more when I walk in:embarrass

But otherwise my wife is pretty laid back, she is usually alone all dayimsad There aren't many people around us she can relate to so she is by herself allotimsad

So when her friends come by, she lets it all out.hehe
 
LOL, My wife took my last name as well, you should see the faces on other people when she introduces herself with an extremelly Indian first name and an extremly Italian last name;D

LOL that'll be my wife soon with her extremely typical name then a very desi surname ;D she couldn't even pronounce at first haha :p

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All the more reason to not want a ring;D


Interesting...So its adapt or goodbye?? Dont like that to be honest. Means you dont get to be yourself.

with age comes more knowledge...for most anyway. I agree with AlbanianMuslim Sister about how you approach a marriage :), if you go into it expecting this that and the other and not willing to learn i think definitly it usually ends up going back to mom and dad
 
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LOL that'll be my wife soon with her extremely typical name then a very desi surname ;D she couldn't even pronounce at first haha :p

lol, thats funny, i forgot you got one of those "Country" girls;D

If you don't mind me askin, how did you as an Indian get hooked up with a ummmmm country girl? Thats a little rare. Don't take offense please
 
lol, thats funny, i forgot you got one of those "Country" girls;D

If you don't mind me askin, how did you as an Indian get hooked up with a ummmmm country girl? Thats a little rare. Don't take offense please

Very rare bro most people can't believe we are still together totally the opposite in everything she likes country i like the city etc ;D. Hmm compromise i guess and i really don't know how she ended up with a desi guy like mee definitely was not on her radar........ i was the dark horse hehe ;D.......
 
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Very rare bro most people can't believe we are still together totally the opposite in everything she likes country i like the city etc ;D. Hmm compromise i guess and i really don't know how she ended up with a desi guy like mee definitely was not on her radar........ i was the dark horse hehe ;D.......

Thats awesome dude! More power to ya:D don't worry what others think as long as you 2 are happy.

I KNOW that had to be hard for your parents:phew Being a desi and all?

My mother ould kill me for marrying a "Country girl" But it's cool that you are happy, God bless.
 
Thats awesome dude! More power to ya:D don't worry what others think as long as you 2 are happy.

I KNOW that had to be hard for your parents:phew Being a desi and all?

My mother ould kill me for marrying a "Country girl" But it's cool that you are happy, God bless.

I try not to though it seems everyone has this idea that if you have two very different cultures clashing it usually ends in tears......... hmmm wish people would break away from this silly idea and realise its possible to lead a happy marriage....

Anyway too keep the thread about marriage and not just idle chat what are the key basis to a good marriage?
 
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I try not to though it seems everyone has this idea that if you have two very different cultures clashing it usually ends in tears......... hmmm wish people would break away from this silly idea and realise its possible to lead a happy marriage....

Anyway too keep the thread about marriage and not just idle chat what are the key basis to a good marriage?

Brother did you marry a bush girl?? Masha' ALLAH
 
Brother did you marry a bush girl?? Masha' ALLAH

LOL engaged going to get married in the summer inshallah........bush girl well not your type of bush girl with the sand and the using the sandles n thing lool........
I'm marrying Pocahontas (Disney) lool a chief daughter/ i can't think of country girl but something in between them two.....
 
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LOL engaged going to get married in the summer inshallah........bush girl well not your type of bush girl with the sand and the using the sandles n thing lool........
I'm marrying Pocahontas (Disney) lool a chief daughter/ i can't think of country girl but something in between them two.....

MashaAllah way to go brother ....country girl ,Pocahontas and bush girl are names that are given to wonder women who have perfected cordiality ...one might use sandals to sweep up vomit the other might use her bare hands but they all achieve one thing.. they always make you feel mellow inside :)
 
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Really? Why "bush" women, just wondering?

I think maybe because the reside in the forest or somewhere really deep in the countryside..........hate to break the party up but we are really going off topic now with the bush women, should really link it back to marriage atleast lol
 
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So what if your husband wants you to cook and clean? Are you gonna wine about being independent and free and not his slave? Since when did cooking and cleaning for your own husband become slavery? Oh yes, yet another Western idea planted by the wonderful feminists who think being barefoot and pregnant is a bad thing. Well news flash, in Islam it isnt. In Islam, cooking a wonderful meal for your husband and him coming home to a clean comfortable home that you worked hard to make so is rewarding for you both and for your marriage..
Nobody was whining. If people say Islamically that the wife doesn't have to do the cooking or cleaning, that does not mean that they are saying that she should refuse to do so. All it means is that it is not a fardh. It is not a sin if the wife makes clear beforehand she does not want to do those things. Now on the basis of that, do you really think that women are going to be running in their droves, protesting that we don't want to cook and clean? No. Of course they will do it, as they have been doing for centuries. You want to run a house together, cooperate, cook something nice for your husband and keep him well fed, keep your house clean etc. As most women do. So please calm down sis, there really is no need to rant.
Honestly, and some of you can hate me for saying this I dont really care, some of you make marriage out to be so COMPLICATED
I agree with you here though. Subhaanallah, Islam made mariage so easy, yet we choose to make it complicated and we choose to incur unnecessary costs, what with rings, honeymoons, halls, photography etc etc.
Reading this thread got me thinking ...
In Islam, there is no such thing as taking a husband's name, right? So what does it mean when a Muslim woman take his husband's name? Is that a sin?
I know some of my lady friends that do that and it's beyond my comprehension as to why they would want to use their husband's name as it isn't Islamic? Or am I wrong?
Historically, none of the women Islamic personalities we know took a surname i.e. the name of their husband. In Islam you were'nt known as your husband's wife, but throughout your life, you were always your father's daughter. e.g. Aisha bint Abee Bakr, Zaynab bint Jahsh, Khadija bint Khuwaild (May Allah be pleased with them all).

In the Americas, the family names of many African-Americans have their origins in slavery (i.e. slave name). Many of them came to bear the surnames of their former owners. Some believe that in the old times, in the West, woman was considered the property of the man and thus took his name, Allahu a3lam. In Islam, a woman has the right to be her own, totally independent personality, and even after marriage her name does not have to be linked with her husband's in any way.

Why a woman should not take her husband’s surname​
I have read your responses to the following questions 2537 and 4362 concerning a wife retaining her father's name upon marriage. The Ayaat mentioned from Surah Al-Ahzaab states that adopted sons (and hence daughters?) should not be called as sons of the step-fathers. However, how exactly does this apply to a wife simply changing her name for marriage; as she is not actually claiming to belong to her husband, but just taking his name. If it is a question of lineage, I would appreciate specific references from the Qur'an and hadith.
Thank you for your help and clarification.
Jazak'Allah Khayr.


Praise be to Allaah.

The effects of imitating the west in naming ourselves are many. One of them is the way in which people have got used to omitting the word ‘ibn’ (son of) or ‘ibnatu’ (daughter of) between their own names and the name of their fathers. The reason for this is, firstly, because some families have adopted children and given them their surname, so that the adopted child is called Foolaan Foolan [where ‘Foolaan (=So and so)’ stands for a name] and their real children are called Foolaan ibn Foolaan (So and so the son of So and so). Now in the fourteenth century AH, people have dropped the word ‘ibn’ or ‘ibnatu’ – which is unacceptable according to linguistics, custom and sharee’ah. May Allaah help us.

Another effect is the habit of women taking their husband’s surnames.

Originally, the woman is So and so the Daughter of So and so, not So and so the wife of So and so! Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Call them (adopted sons) by (the names of) their fathers, that is more just with Allaah…” [al-Ahzaab 33:5].

As it is in this world, so it will also be in the Hereafter, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“On the Day of Resurrection, each betrayer will have a banner raised beside him, and it will be said, this is the betrayer of So and so the son of So and so.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5709, and Muslim, 3265).

Shaykh Bakr Abu Zayd (may Allaah preserve him) said: This is one of the beauties of sharee’ah, because calling a person by his father’s name is more appropriate for knowing who is who and telling people apart. The father is the protector and maintainer of the child and his mother both inside and outside the home. This is why the father mixes with people in the marketplaces and takes risks by travelling to earn a halaal living and strive for their sakes. So the child is given the name of the father, not of the mother who is hidden away and who is one of those whom Allaah commanded (interpretation of the meaning):

“And stay in your houses…” [al-Ahzaab 33:33]

(Tasmiyat al-Mawlood, 30, 31).

On the basis of the above, there is no blood tie between the husband and wife, so how can she take his surname as if she is part of the same lineage? Moreover, she may get divorced, or her husband may die, and she may marry another man. Will she keep changing her surname every time she marries another man? Furthermore, there are rulings attached to her being named after her father, which have to do with inheritance, spending and who is a mahram, etc. Taking her husband’s surname overlooks all that. The husband is named after his own father, and what does she have to do with the lineage of her husband’s father? This goes against common sense and true facts. The husband has nothing that makes him better than his wife so that she should take his surname, whilst he takes his father’s name.

Hence everyone who has gone against this and taken her husband’s name should put matters right. We ask Allaah to put all the affairs of the Muslims right.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
From: http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/6241/surname%20%20%20marriage

Woman taking her husband’s surname after marriage​
i was just browsing this site and I came across ur answer to the question 2537 which deals with changing surnames of womens.. as u said it is haraam... can u plz gimme a refrence from quran on that or a hadith if possilbe..?


Praise be to Allaah.

It seems that what is meant in the question is a woman changing her family name to that of her husband after she gets married. This is haraam and is not allowed in sharee’ah, because it is not permissible for anyone to claim to belong to anyone other than his or her father. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Call them (adopted sons) by (the names of) their fathers, that is more just with Allaah…” [al-Ahzaab 33:5]. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has cursed the one who claims to belong to someone other than his father.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad and others). And Allaah knows best.


Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
From: http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/4362/surname%20%20%20marriage

Is the culture the same everywhere else when it comes to engagement rings? And then the wedding rings?
The formal engagement party and especially the exchange of rings
began in the Roman era. Under Roman law the bridegroom furnished
security for the completion of the bargain. The ring and solemn
embrace gave the act mystic significance. Later the tradition was
carried on by the Christians;
The manual of Sarum Use, which defines forms of service acceptable
in the diocese of Salisbury (Church of England), suggests a reason for
choosing the fourth finger of the left hand as the wedding ring finger:
The English 'Christian' custom dictates that, after the Priest has blessed
the ring, the bridegroom should place it, first, on the bride's thumb
with the words:
"In the name of the father" then on the index finger "and of the son"
then on the middle finger "and of the holy ghost" and finally on the
fourth finger "Amen".
Pope Nicholas I (c 866 CE) states that the whole ceremony of Christian
matrimony falls into two clearly defined parts: (1) The preliminary
betrothal, i.e. the expression of consent by the parties and (2) the
delivery of the pledges, represented by the giving of the ring.
Why would a Muslim want to follow Christian traditions on a highly Islamic occasion, as well as incurring extra unnecessary cost, which is also discouraged, if it is exchanging of wedding/engagement rings that is being talked about? Although the exchanging of rings is a strong part of the Christian marriage, it is not a part of the Islamic marriage process.
Some women decline to wear a wedding ring because it is thought to
have developed from the shackle once put on brides to subdue her
after her capture. Indeed history shows that during Pliny's time Roman
brides wore iron rings said to have been originally links in a chain
denoting her bondage to her husband
From: Wedding Customs, published by Fisabilillah Publications.
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Really? Why "bush" women, just wondering?

Bush women are women who live in the desert ,countryside and the jungle they are well acquainted on how to give care and are very affectionate these women have the notion and objective of making their husbands happy and this way of thinking is unaltered and unadulterated compared to the city gyals who get information regarding men from other women who are usually bobbed haired and write magazine columns
 
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Nobody was whining. If people say Islamically that the wife doesn't have to do the cooking or cleaning, that does not mean that they are saying that she should refuse to do so. All it means is that it is not a fardh. It is not a sin if the wife makes clear beforehand she does not want to do those things. Now on the basis of that, do you really think that women are going to be running in their droves, protesting that we don't want to cook and clean? No. Of course they will do it, as they have been doing for centuries. You want to run a house together, cooperate, cook something nice for your husband and keep him well fed, keep your house clean etc. As most women do. So please calm down sis, there really is no need to rant.

With all due respect sis, and i mean respect dont get me wrong. There are quite a few people who have complained and/or said things that reek of western feminist views. Its one thing when you dont want to pull all the weight, its another ball game when women expect men or men to expect women, to be perfect and do things the way they see fit.
I am not nor did say that women in droves refuse to do cooking or cleaning, but a lot of women these days are adopting the mentality if western women who dont feel they should be cooking and cleaning for their husbands. I feel, and this is my opinion you dont have to share it, that as a wife you should do what you can to make your husband happy and comfortable. If you can cook, why not use it to please him? Is that wrong? I dont see why it would be. If you cant cook, well thats another story.
The part I bolded, I agree and that is what I said in my post.
Third, I am calm, and I will rant when I see fit thank you very much. :shade:

Like I said, many people bring up good points but in the end all this talk just over complicates marriage. Marriage is supposed to be a beautiful institution to better society. People dont treat it as such anymore, at least not in the West.
Mashallah, so many middle eastern couples I meet that come here from Iraq, Jordan, Syria, etc. have for the most part held on to traditional views of marriage and they are wonderful couples.
Some traditions are flawed, I do not deny that. But why let go of everything?

Again I bring up the Prophet Muhammed pbuh, and again for the 100th time I know some of you are probably sick of it, I think people should read In the Footsteps of the Prophet (pbuh) Beautiful book that gives us a model to follow rather than what the West spews out.
 

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