The Qur'an never altered?

[AntiKarateKid]

He didn't even cite an article, he just cited the Quran from submission which is the same as anywhere else.

 

[جوري]

He didn't even cite an article, he just cited the Quran from submission which is the same as anywhere else.

whatever it is he is just another deviant..
How hard do they try to separate the Quran from sunna and us from both so we'd end up like those Allah swt has described as having gone astray!
Islam is a complete way of life, an All or none.. if it isn't for you then find yourself something else.. be an agnostic or something.. I don't understand why that is so difficult?

 

[soloqi]

Im curious if some of you call yourself muslims, you should konw only Allah has the right pass judgement.
If this is a place to learn about and gain clarification about my faith you:
Gossamer and Antikaratekid should act in a more humble fashion, and share what you know about Islam to me, that is your duty as muslims not to pass judgement and seem in****ing in your choice of words.
Who gave you the right to call me a non believer?

I was told about the five pillars, and told about the sayings of the prophet.
The sayings of the prophet are guides not orders.

What is more important The Quran or Hadiths, you talked about Quran only sects.

I have not heard this term before, care to elaborate without your childish remarks...

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Im curious if some of you call yourself muslims, you should konw only Allah has the right pass judgement.
If this is a place to learn about and gain clarification about my faith you:
Gossamer and Antikaratekid should act in a more humble fashion, and share what you know about Islam to me, that is your duty as muslims not to pass judgement and seem in****ing in your choice of words.
Who gave you the right to call me a non believer?

I was told about the five pillars, and told about the sayings of the prophet.
The sayings of the prophet are guides not orders.

What is more important The Quran or Hadiths, you talked about Quran only sects.

I have not heard this term before, care to elaborate without your childish remarks...

What BS, you spew the same trash as those anti-islamist fools. You say that the Quran has been altered, that Muhammad pbuh praised false gods and spoke from the devil and you have the gall to call yourself a Muslim?

Cut the crap and leave. You have been exposed and the mods have been alerted to your deceit. You are NOT Muslim.

 

[جوري]

you are a believer in something other than Islam.
again, judging by the sites you cite, and the words you write..
Your beliefs are at odds with Islamic sunni beliefs.. you are welcome to stay on the forum and say whatever, we'll point it out every step of the way though.. I can already see it makes you uncomfortable since, the only thing you come up with after a proper refutation is how dare you judge me.
we'll we have already judged your beliefs to be non_Islamic and you not a Muslim based on what you profess here.

If someone clearly has green eyes but keeps insisting they are black, is it a judgment when others point the obvious or a proper observation?
You need to assess your reasoning and your beliefs all together..
More than one Muslim has told you and repeatedly that your beliefs are at odds with mains stream Islam!

all the best

 

[soloqi]

Childish remarks again, your posts are very unwelcomming to somebody how simply wants to understand more about one own faith, but rather that be rational about my questions and uncertanties, you seem to rant like a fanatic.

I say again WHO gave you the right to call me a non muslim...you seem to be evading the questions and rant like a taliban extremist.

Im guessing your a ****** follower, If not what tyoe of muslim are you ?

Please just try to control yourselves and answer so questions for me, then feel tree to act like children and be all emotional.

 

[soloqi]

the *** are for W a H a B i Muslim

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Childish remarks again, your posts are very unwelcomming to somebody how simply wants to understand more about one own faith, but rather that be rational about my questions and uncertanties, you seem to rant like a fanatic.

I say again WHO gave you the right to call me a non muslim...you seem to be evading the questions and rant like a taliban extremist.

Im guessing your a ****** follower, If not what tyoe of muslim are you ?

Please just try to control yourselves and answer so questions for me, then feel tree to act like children and be all emotional.

Tell me. If you are a Muslim, why do you assert that the Quran has been changed and that Prophet Muhammad pbuh supported false gods and spoke from the devil?

Answer that. And Taliban? HA! Evading questions? After I refuted you? HA!

 

[جوري]

I am not seeing any emotionality here, I think we've all been a very matter of fact.
A practicing sunni Muslim is the best judge of what a Muslim is, on authority of their collective knowledge of Islam. I have taken the liberty to point you out. I AM judging you as a non-Muslim based on what you have written here you are not merely swerving on matters of Islam you are down right outside its bounds.. no emotionality here, very matter of fact, I reference you to my earlier analogy of course!

all the best

 

[soloqi]

Its a good Allah will judge me and not you, with you closemindness and your rufusal to engage in debate rather rant, push your ego aside for a moment.

Islamic Forum for the Muslim and non-Muslim community. Discuss here about Islam and the oneness of Allah. Find here Islamic Forum articles and information.

Is what is google said about this site, its sad to not see this here, but simply people passing judgement on other.

S u N N I Muslim, that interesting.

If you cannot answer any of my other questions in a rational fashion, please do try this one. Did the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ever say he was a Sunni muslim, Where is it in the quran mention of S U N N I muslims....

I call myself Muslim, Nothing more, why do you call yourself a S U N N I muslim...

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Its a good Allah will judge me and not you, with you closemindness and your rufusal to engage in debate rather rant, push your ego aside for a moment.

Islamic Forum for the Muslim and non-Muslim community. Discuss here about Islam and the oneness of Allah. Find here Islamic Forum articles and information.

Is what is google said about this site, its sad to not see this here, but simply people passing judgement on other.

S u N N I Muslim, that interesting.

If you cannot answer any of my other questions in a rational fashion, please do try this one. Did the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ever say he was a Sunni muslim, Where is it in the quran mention of S U N N I muslims....

I call myself Muslim, Nothing more, why do you call yourself a S U N N I muslim...

Answer my question. Why did you say the Quran was altered, Prophet Muhammad spoke from the devil, and that he said there were other deities beside Allah?

 

[جوري]

Its a good Allah will judge me and not you, with you closemindness and your rufusal to engage in debate rather rant, push your ego aside for a moment.

Islamic Forum for the Muslim and non-Muslim community. Discuss here about Islam and the oneness of Allah. Find here Islamic Forum articles and information.

Is what is google said about this site, its sad to not see this here, but simply people passing judgement on other.

S u N N I Muslim, that interesting.

If you cannot answer any of my other questions in a rational fashion, please do try this one. Did the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ever say he was a Sunni muslim, Where is it in the quran mention of S U N N I muslims....

I call myself Muslim, Nothing more, why do you call yourself a S U N N I muslim...

Allah swt will judge whether or not you are going to heaven or hell, we are not funneling you to either destiny here, we are merely pointing out the fact that you are not a Muslim .. A Muslim that fits the definition, accepts the Quran and Sunna.

are you familiar with the Quran?

3:32
Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger": but if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith.



48: 23] (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah already in the past: no change wilt thou find in the practice (approved) of Allah.

you are familiar with the word سُنَّةَ? as such mentioned in the very verse 48:23 cited above and here in Arabic


13 الفتح 48 23 سُنَّةَ اللَّهِ الَّتِي قَدْ خَلَتْ مِنْ قَبْلُ وَلَنْ تَجِدَ لِسُنَّةِ اللَّهِ تَبْدِيلا
http://translation.babylon.com/Arabic/to-English

n. rubric, norm, mores, tradition,

yes mentioned in the Quran, to follow the tradition of the prophet!

I believe the more you write the deeper the hole you dig for yourself, for it shows you are not even familiar with Quranic content for that matter!

all the best

 

[soloqi]

I wanted to know who the Quran was compiled, was it chronigical, different places say different things.
One Imam i asked said that verse in the quran was not valid because according the interpretation somebody gave me.
You see if somebody say something to my i want to know if there is truth to it, but i seem to ask questions and the reception by some folks here is chidish.

So please answer my question about S u N N I muslims, and why does the word
W A H A B B I, show up as asterixes, hmmm censorsed forums me thinks, the Illusion of free speech perhaps.

If you get rid of people who you dont want to hear or listen to you only have people around you that tell you what you want to hear.

 

[جوري]

1-the first page goes into depth on how the Quran was compiled, I have also recommended you the book 'A history of Quranic text' by Dr. Al'Azami
2- All your questions in fact have been answered including the following the tradition Aka Sunna from the Quran itself if you'd bother read the replies instead of reacting to each one that questions your common sense
3- Wa habbi is censored since this isn't a sectarian forum
4- so far you've been allowed to write as you pleased, we have pointed out that this isn't correct from tafsir ibn kathir and the Quran itself.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

I wanted to know who the Quran was compiled, was it chronigical, different places say different things.
One Imam i asked said that verse in the quran was not valid because according the interpretation somebody gave me.
You see if somebody say something to my i want to know if there is truth to it, but i seem to ask questions and the reception by some folks here is chidish.

So please answer my question about S u N N I muslims, and why does the word
W A H A B B I, show up as asterixes, hmmm censorsed forums me thinks, the Illusion of free speech perhaps.

If you get rid of people who you dont want to hear or listen to you only have people around you that tell you what you want to hear.

Bull. No muslim would say that a verse was invalid.

So answer my question, how can you say that Muhammad pbuh spoke from the devil and supported false gods and call yourself Muslim?

 

[Tony]

I wanted to know who the Quran was compiled, was it chronigical, different places say different things.
One Imam i asked said that verse in the quran was not valid because according the interpretation somebody gave me.
You see if somebody say something to my i want to know if there is truth to it, but i seem to ask questions and the reception by some folks here is chidish.

So please answer my question about S u N N I muslims, and why does the word
W A H A B B I, show up as asterixes, hmmm censorsed forums me thinks, the Illusion of free speech perhaps.

If you get rid of people who you dont want to hear or listen to you only have people around you that tell you what you want to hear.

dont let us keep you then:skeleton:

 

[soloqi]

I never said such things Antikatatekid, i was told this and wanted to find out its origins, I do not believe something because somebody tells me something I have to/need to find the answers for myself, its my God gave me a brain to use it.

So could you answer my question about the S u n n i muslim, and where did such term come from, please.

If this is not a sectarian forum why sensor certain words, Reminds me of what the BBC do, censorship and information control.

I still have alot to learn about my faith (Islam), hence forgive me for not learning quicker, I just dont wont to be a blind follower.

So the S u n n I muslim, where did that start.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Many thanks, however i just need some more clarification take for example:
Sura 53:19-23:
[53:18] He saw great signs of his Lord.

[53:19] Compare this with the female idols Allaat and Al-`Uzzah.

[53:20] And Manaat, the third one.

[53:21] Do you have sons, while He has these as daughters?

Sura 53:19-23, centered specifically on the three goddesses worshiped by the pagans of Arabia called Allat, al-Uzza and Manat. Initially Muhammad (pbuh) praised these goddesses by confirming their existence as deities that intercede before Allah. This caused the pagans to bow in worship and also praise Muhammad (pbuh) for speaking highly of their idols. Needless to say, they were not at all pleased with Muhammad (pbuh) when he later claimed that his statements were not from God but from Satan who caused him to slip!

Should that be the case, (slip of tongue so to speak why then is it still present,

http://www.submission.org/suras/sura53.html

These are your words. You must understand that your words made you sound like one of those Christians who pretends to be Muslim and attacks Islam. Moreover your statement that the Quran has parts missing is not consistent with Islam at all.

 

[soloqi]

No they are not my words, i simply pasted them here type in the three daughters of Allah in google and its there, i just wanted rational muslims to help me understand this passage better as as yet cannot read and understand quranic arabic.

Its funny how you are evading the S U N N I question, dont beat around the bush, Could somebody give me their insight about the S U N N I question, rather that quote my previous and explained posts....

 

[AntiKarateKid]

No they are not my words, i simply pasted them here type in the three daughters of Allah in google and its there, i just wanted rational muslims to help me understand this passage better as as yet cannot read and understand quranic arabic.

Its funny how you are evading the S U N N I question, dont beat around the bush, Could somebody give me their insight about the S U N N I question, rather that quote my previous and explained posts....

I'm not sure about all the differences between sunni and shia. You're better off asking someone else.

Soloqi, your opening posts showed beliefs to be so far from mainstream Islam (your belief that the Quran was not preserved) that I was immediately suspicious. Do you actually believe this or was that also someone else' words?