Things in Islam I am curious about...

As for the relation between Faith and Aurat, we can see from this historical account about honorable Imam Ahmad Ben Hanbal, who is the Imam of Hanbali madzhab. He was jailed by the al-Ma'mun Caliph due to some conflicts in Creed about Quran is a creation equal as human. The problem arose due to the influence of Mu'tazilah group. But this is not the main point that I want to say about Aurat.

The Imam was seized by the Government and tortured because he refused to give his Fatwa (religious declaration). Like other Muslims, we believe al-Quran is the Word of G-d, not His creation like human, genies, or angels. He was tormented until his clothes torn. At that time, he prayed to G-d to help him protecting his Aurat. When the Caliph al-Ma'mun died, he prayed for G-d to forgive the Caliph. The successor of the al-Ma'mun who is al-Mu'tasim too still torturing the honorable Imam until he died while he prayed with his tied feet.
 
Are ther signs, miracles mentioned in the Quran? Someting written a bit closer to Mohammad's time? The hadith are way too far removed- oral histories, embellishment is far too easy to add.

"`Abdullah reported: We used to consider miracles as Allah's Blessings, but you people consider them to be a warning. Once we were with Allah's Messenger on a journey, and we ran short of water. He said, "Bring the water remaining with you." The people brought a utensil containing a little water. He placed his hand in it and said, "Come to the blessed water, and the Blessing is from Allah." I saw the water flowing from among the fingers of Allah's Messenger, and no doubt, we heard the meal glorifying Allah, when it was being eaten (by him). (Reported by al-Bukhari)"
 
Follower said:
Are ther signs, miracles mentioned in the Quran? Someting written a bit closer to Mohammad's time? The hadith are way too far removed- oral histories, embellishment is far too easy to add.

"`Abdullah reported: We used to consider miracles as Allah's Blessings, but you people consider them to be a warning. Once we were with Allah's Messenger on a journey, and we ran short of water. He said, "Bring the water remaining with you." The people brought a utensil containing a little water. He placed his hand in it and said, "Come to the blessed water, and the Blessing is from Allah." I saw the water flowing from among the fingers of Allah's Messenger, and no doubt, we heard the meal glorifying Allah, when it was being eaten (by him). (Reported by al-Bukhari)"
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Yes there are

1 - 54-1 splitting of the moon backed by many hadiths

2 - The Quran - linguistic miarcle

3 - The Israr - or the night journey

Just to add the Isnad of that hadith should be strong.

Water flowed from his fingers
Narrated Hadrat Jabir bin 'Abdullah (Rady Allahu 'Anh): I was with the Prophet (Sallallahu 'alayhi wa Sallam) and the time for Asr prayer became due. We had no water with us except a little which was put in a vessel and was brought to the Prophet (Sallallahu 'alayhi wa Sallam). He put his hand into it and spread out his fingers and then said, "Come along! Hurry up! All those who want to perform ablution. The Blessing is from Allah." I saw the water gushing out from his fingers. So the people performed the ablution and drank, and I tried to drink more of that water (beyond my thirst and capacity), for I knew that it was a blessing. The sub-narrator said: I asked Jabir (Rady Allahu 'Anh), "How many persons were you then?" He replied, "We were one thousand four hundred men." (Bukhari)

Note: Other hadiths of similar nature have been narrated by Hadrat Anas bin Malik (Rady Allahu 'Anh) and Hadrat 'Abdullah (Rady Allahu 'Anh) in Sahih Bukhari.

Therefore there is little proof not to believe in this hadith as it has been recorded more then once by different people through differnet chains - meaning that it impossible so many people would have lied about this hadith. So juts reject a hadith is not good enough you have to back it by proof not conjucture as you did.
 
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There seems to be a very vague verse - how do we know that Mohammad split the moon in his time? His name is not even mentioned. How do we know that this isn't a prophecy for the day of Judgement?

Can you not tell the whole story without hadith? Hadith is not the word of GOD. The GOD's Word must be able to stand alone on explaination- with Moses we know great detail about the miracle.

Did Mohammad wave his hand, chant something to cause the moon to split? How did he get it back together? When did the moon go back together?

I find it interesting that GOD knowing that the pagans had worshiopped a moon god would use the moon in a miracle to convince people.

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YUSUFALI: The Hour is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder.

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YUSUFALI: But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is transient magic."

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YUSUFALI: They reject and follow their lusts but every matter has its appointed time.
 
this is not a major issue in islam in my opinion...

monotheism, only one god.

have morals.... improve your character...

i think u know if your muslim or not already...... its just taking the step.

i converted and listened to music for ages.
i have given it up recently though i gotta admit.

too many unhealthy messages in popular music.
 
music is kinda a vain pursuit... a pasttime.... u will god willing reach a stage where wasting time, hurts. badly.
 
Follower said:
There seems to be a very vague verse - how do we know that Mohammad split the moon in his time? His name is not even mentioned. How do we know that this isn't a prophecy for the day of Judgement?

Can you not tell the whole story without hadith? Hadith is not the word of GOD. The GOD's Word must be able to stand alone on explaination- with Moses we know great detail about the miracle.

Did Mohammad wave his hand, chant something to cause the moon to split? How did he get it back together? When did the moon go back together?

I find it interesting that GOD knowing that the pagans had worshiopped a moon god would use the moon in a miracle to convince people.

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YUSUFALI: The Hour is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder.

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YUSUFALI: But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is transient magic."

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YUSUFALI: They reject and follow their lusts but every matter has its appointed time.
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There was also an indian king who also saw the miracle take place in India - it also has hadiths of a lot of people witnessing the miracle - hadith is history my friend - its histocral data - muttawatir hadith or multiply transmitted hadiths are the most reliable of all and its preety crazy to reject them without any sound evedince.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_split.htm

Its like rejecting history - thats fine but you ahve to have proof and not conjucture.

By the way history is not the word of God yet most of us accept it.

I find it intresting that you yourself have to use other historical sources without the NT to show "proof" about your beliefs yet you reject other historcial sources - hypocrite.
 
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Salaam/Peace


Follower said:
... How did he get it back together? .
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Miracles were performed by the will & power of God Almighty . No Prophet had any power to perform anything without the permission of our Creator.
 
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Follower said:
There seems to be a very vague verse - how do we know that Mohammad split the moon in his time? His name is not even mentioned. How do we know that this isn't a prophecy for the day of Judgement?

Can you not tell the whole story without hadith? Hadith is not the word of GOD. The GOD's Word must be able to stand alone on explaination- with Moses we know great detail about the miracle.

Did Mohammad wave his hand, chant something to cause the moon to split? How did he get it back together? When did the moon go back together?

I find it interesting that GOD knowing that the pagans had worshiopped a moon god would use the moon in a miracle to convince people.

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YUSUFALI: The Hour is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder.

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YUSUFALI: But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is transient magic."

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YUSUFALI: They reject and follow their lusts but every matter has its appointed time.
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Maybe Allah did not want this event to be known detailed..?

Actually the partition of the Moon is not "that" important for us anymore..It was important to the Meccans as the partition of Red Sea was to the Israelites but today we do not see the event..But we muslims have a "living miracle" that is Quran.
 
This might require some research. How is the phrase "brought near unto Allah" to be understood in the following verse?

Surah 3:45, "And remember when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near unto Allah" (Pickthal translation).

Are there any commentaries that help to explain this interpretation?
 
From Tafsir Ibn Kathir:

﴿وَجِيهًا فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالاٌّخِرَةِ وَمِنَ الْمُقَرَّبِينَ﴾


(Held in honor in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah.) meaning, he will be a leader and honored by Allah in this life, because of the Law that Allah will reveal to him, sending down the Scripture to him, along with the other bounties that Allah will grant him with. `Isa will be honored in the Hereafter and will intercede with Allah, by His leave, on behalf of some people, just as is the case with his brethren the mighty Messengers of Allah, peace be upon them all.


I highly recommend this website for commentary on the Qur'an: http://www.qtafsir.com/
 
The idea of being near to Allah isn't used exclusively for 'Isa (peace be upon him) though. For example, if we take a look at the following ahadith Qudsi:

On the authority of Abu Harayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Prophet (PBUH) said: Allah the Almighty said:

I am as My servant thinks I am (1). I am with him when he makes mention of Me. If he makes mention of Me to himself, I make mention of him to Myself; and if he makes mention of Me in an assembly, I make mention of him in an assemble better than it. And if he draws near to Me an arm's length, I draw near to him a fathom's length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed.

(1) Another possible rendering of the Arabic is: "I am as My servant expects Me to be". The meaning is that forgiveness and acceptance of repentance by the Almighty is subject to His servant truly believing that He is forgiving and merciful. However, not to accompany such belief with right action would be to mock the Almighty.

It was related by al-Buhkari (also by Muslim, at-Tirmidhi and Ibn-Majah).

AND

On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: Allah (mighty and sublime be He) said:

Whosoever shows enmity to someone devoted to Me, I shall be at war with him. My servant draws not near to Me with anything more loved by Me than the religious duties I have enjoined upon him, and My servant continues to draw near to Me with supererogatory works so that I shall love him. When I love him I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him, and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it. I do not hesitate about anything as much as I hesitate about [seizing] the soul of My faithful servant: he hates death and I hate hurting him.

It was related by al-Bukhari.

Are you familiar with the concept of a hadith qudsi in relation to normal hadith?
 
LOL!! Always the name calling by Muslims, calling me a hypocrite.

Zaphran- my use of history was from a secular source in dealing with the crucifixion of Jesus was at the request of Muslims that would not listen to the Christian source of history.

LOL! Can Muslims not do the same- a secular source?
 
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LOL!! Always the name calling by Muslims, calling me a hypocrite.

Zaphran- my use of history was from a secular source in dealing with the crucifixion of Jesus was at the request of Muslims that would not listen to the Christian source of history.

LOL! Can Muslims not do the same- a secular source?
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Why do you keep LOLLing so much?
It's annoying you know.
 
The following verses lead me to think that this is a prophecy about the moon splitting on judgement day - no signs/miracles were given to Mohammad.

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YUSUFALI: And the Unbelievers say: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide.

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YUSUFALI: And We refrain from sending the signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror.

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YUSUFALI: But, when the Truth has come to them from Ourselves, they say, "Why are not sent to him, like those which were sent to Moses?" Do they not then reject which were formerly sent to Moses? They say: "Two kinds of sorcery, each assisting the other!" And they say: "For us, we reject all!"

End times:

Isaiah 24
23 The moon will be abashed, the sun ashamed;
for the LORD Almighty will reign
on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem,
and before its elders, gloriously.
 
Follower said:
LOL!! Always the name calling by Muslims, calling me a hypocrite.

Zaphran- my use of history was from a secular source in dealing with the crucifixion of Jesus was at the request of Muslims that would not listen to the Christian source of history.

LOL! Can Muslims not do the same- a secular source?
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was i talking about the crucifixtion LOL! and what do you mean secular sources? there is no such thing - its just sources - Islam has mnay sources

You are a hypocrite you dont use the same logic against Jesus pbuh - even worse there are sources that say he didnt exist,

You asked about a miracles too which also i find hypocritical.
 
Again Follower, religion is not to be bended by human desire. It is the one that should bend human desire. Religion is a Way of Life. It covers up every detail of our life.

Islam = Creed, Acts of Worship, Morality, Financial, Matrimonial, Criminal Law

Primary sources of those above = Quran and Sunnah
Scondary sources = Ijtehad of the 'Ulama

الشريعة لغة

الموضع الذى ينحدر إلى الماء منه ، كما في اللسان

Shariah idiomatically means the matters that splashing into the water from it, as in tongue (means had the lineage or origin)

واصطلاحا

ما شرعه الله لعباده من الدين ، مثل الصوم والصلاة والحج.. وغير ذلك ، وإنما سمى شريعة لأنه يقصد ويلجأ إليه ،كما يلجأ إلى الماء عند العطش ،ومنه قول القرآن: {ثم جعلناك على شريعة من الأمر فاتبعها} الجاثية:18 ، وقول القرآن {لكل جعلنا منكم شرعة ومنهاجا}المائدة:48

and terminologically means what is originally from G-d to His servants and slaves from religion, for example fasting, praying, and pilgrimage to Mecca (acts of worship)... and other than that, those which are known as Shariah is with a purpose and to be applied in it as the water resorts to a severe thirst. And from that G-d says in Quran: "and then we give to you a religion covering all the matters and follow it," (the meaning of Surah al-Jaathiya:18) and "And for everyone of you is a religion with methods." (the meaning of Surah al-Maaida:48)

* Sorry for literal translation, please also check the meaning of Quran by proficient in English translators.

Synonymous to Shariah are

شريعة = دين, طريقة

Shariah = religion, way or position (this is also in Surah Tha-Ha 20:63)

We would never accept secularism of Islam or any other men-made ideology as long as we live as Muslims. They are based from human's desires and hidden agendas. Why do you think Muslims should try using secular sources? Do you think that they exist in Islam? Who are secular Muslims? Attaturk Kemal? He is not even living his life as a Muslim, having a Muslim name or Muslim parents does not mean that a person really is a Muslim in his heart : )
 
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Grace Seeker said:
No. I am not. Could you fill me in on what this is, please?
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A hadith Qudsi ("sacred hadith") is a hadith where Muhammad narrates directly from Allah where he says that "Allah says". A normal hadith, on the other hand, are the words of Muhammad where he does not narrate it directly from Allah.

Hope that helps.
 
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That's interesting, Uthman.

Does that mean that as well as having the Qu'ran told to him via the angel Gabriel, Muhammed heard God speak to him directly?
Do we know how exactly he learned the things which 'Allah said'?
 

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