truthseeker63's Corner [Clarification about Islam]

Re: Does the Quran say God can not take human form or the form of a human also in Isl

God created man
man created gods
 
Re: Does the Quran say God can not take human form or the form of a human also in Isl

Just tell them; God does not become human because He isn't human! Humans are humans because they are not God.

Why would God want to confuse us into worshipping Humans, when He has already forbidden the worship of the creation in the Old Testament?


Infact, one of the main things Jesus criticized is when people blindly followed [worshipped*] the Rabbi's of the Jews. Rabbis' who disobeyed the Commandments of God which were in the Old Testament.

*Blindly following someone can sometimes become worship of that person, if that person creates laws which oppose God's law.




 
Re: Does the Quran say God can not take human form or the form of a human also in Isl

This is one of those type questions that is based upon the answer of "God can do anything." Which is true, but many questions can be nonsensical and are simply a play upon definitions and as such are not really questions, but are examples of inability to ask intelligent questions.

The Qur'an tells us of some of the Attributes of Allaah(swt) and many of the attributes of man. To become man is the antithesis of being God(swt), two very different statements asked in a manner of trying to make them compatible. It is like asking if a Red Apple can become a Texas State Law. A nonsense statement.
 
In the Quran were Humans created first or were the Animals created first ?

In the Quran were Humans created first or were the Animals created first ?
 
Re: Does the Quran say God can not take human form or the form of a human also in Isl

I think here might be a good explanation:

The core principle of Gods religion is monothiesm [i.e worshipping God and not His creation]; the opposite of monothiesm is polythiesm/idolatry

If God became or can become Human, there would be no distinction or demarcating line between monothiesm and idolatry and all human/creation worshippers will claim that they are worshipping 'God-incarnate', and God would not want to confuse us in this way; God has left very clear demarcating lines between the two, and this is that anything even remotely resembling the creation can never be God
 
Re: Does the Quran say God can not take human form or the form of a human also in Isl

truthseeker63 said:
Does the Quran say God can not take human form or the form of a human also in Islam is God unique in the sense God does not look like the creation ? Also Im trying to understand Islam's view on why God can't become human or be born on this planet and die like Christianity believes.
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God is immortal and cannot die. This assertion may ruffle the feathers of someone who believes that God can do anything. But the obvious truth is that if God could die then God would not be truly immortal.

According to the Bible, if I may cite a scripture here, Jesus only became immortal (as a gift from God) after his death and resurrection (Romans 6:9). By contrast, God has always been immortal.
 
Did Jesus speak in the cradle right after he was born ?

Did Jesus speak in the cradle right after he was born ?
 
Must Muslim Prayers be said outloud were in the Quran or the Hadith or any other Isla

Must Muslim Prayers be said outloud were in the Quran or the Hadith or any other Islamic text does it say to pray outloud ? The reason I ask is because the prayers in Arabic is very beautiful.
 
Re: Did Jesus speak in the cradle right after he was born ?

Peace,

Yeah he(pbuh) did, a beautiful story with a great miracle. This how it goes -

[SIZE=+1]Jesus (sws) came to rescue his mother. Allah commanded Mary (sws) to be mute and observe fast and refer to the child when she would be questioned. She did the same. On seeing this, the people mocked her saying how a child would bear witness to Mary’s chastity. But the Prophet Jesus (sws) spoke right after his mother pointed to him.[/SIZE]
 
Re: Must Muslim Prayers be said outloud were in the Quran or the Hadith or any other

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Loud enough for people to hear the beautiful words from the Creator to mankind, but not screaming ofcourse :)

Here's a beautiful recitation -

 
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Re: Did Jesus speak in the cradle right after he was born ?

Yes indeed, people was frightened. Maryam wasn't allowed to speak, but was told to show her child. Isa (saw) told about the oneness of Allah as kid.
 
I view the virgin birth miracle as as a miracle like Jesus spoke in the cradle as a b

I view the virgin birth miracle as as a miracle like Jesus spoke or speaking in the cradle as a baby or infant or the other miracles in the Quran am I right that Jesus was the only Prophet who spoke in the cradle as a infant the virgin birth and speaking in the cradle and the other miracles are not proofs of Jesus being God would Islam agree with this ? I think the virgin birth miracle goes good with the cradle miracle since both the virgin birth and the speaking in the cradle happened when he was a baby infant well of course the virgin birth happened when he was a baby or a infant but he was the only Prophet who spoke in the cradle as a baby or infant great miracles but God would never become human it is not in his nature there is no Trinity. I think the Quran also says Jesus is like Adam both both had no Father while Adam had no Mother or Father no Parents and Eve also had no Parents both were made from the Dust/Clay God said to him be and he was. Also is the Quran saying Jesus is like Adam in the sense Adam had no parents being made from Dust but also in the sense that all Humans are from Adam and Eve and Jesus was and is Human not God. Also just one more thing is it true that when Jesus spoke in the cradle he defended his Mother Mary against charges of adultery ? if this is the case the talking in the cradle makes sense to me along with the virgin birth these were and are signs from God I ask this because I used to think Jesus was God because of his virgin birth it turns out I have been wrong but this is what Christianity teaches along with the Pagan Trinity which is not even in the Bible I have learned a lot on this board.
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Re: I view the virgin birth miracle as as a miracle like Jesus spoke in the cradle as

True! =D I agree on this.
 
Re: I view the virgin birth miracle as as a miracle like Jesus spoke in the cradle as

Truthseeker,

MashAllah you have hit the nail right on the head! :smile::hiding:

everything you have mentioned in your post is exactly what Islam says :clever:
Keep at it and it wont be long ALlah willing, before you find the Truth :sunny:
 
Re: Did Jesus speak in the cradle right after he was born ?

19. Surah Maryam (Mary)


27. Then she brought him (the baby) to her people, carrying him. They said: "O Mary! Indeed you have brought a thing Fariya (an unheard mighty thing).
28. "O sister (i.e. the like) of Harun (Aaron) [not the brother of Musa (Moses), but he was another pious man at the time of Maryam (Mary)]! Your father was not a man who used to commit adultery, nor your mother was an unchaste woman."
29. Then she pointed to him. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
30. "He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;"
31. "And He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me Salat (prayer), and Zakat, as long as I live."
32. "And dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant, unblest.
33. "And Salam (peace) be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!"
34. Such is 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). (it is) a statement of truth, about which they doubt (or dispute).
 
Re: Must Muslim Prayers be said outloud were in the Quran or the Hadith or any other

All the prayers do not need to be said out loud Truthseeker, but only when it is being prayed together in congregation; the dawn, sunset and night prayers are said out loud by the imam [man leading the prayer] and in the midday and mid-afternoon prayers, the Imam just says out loud the sayings when one changes posture...

when a Muslim prays on their own, he should say the quite prayers [midday and midafternoon one's] quitely and he can choose to say the loud prayers loudly or quitely if he wants
 
Does anyone here agree with this article I know I do.

Does anyone here agree with this article I know I do.

Why can't there be more than 1 God?​


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Another question which rationalists, skeptics, Atheists and Agnostics may raise is: "Why can't there be more than 1 God?"

I) A reason given in the Quran as to why there cannot be more than 1 God, is mentioned in:


Chapter-17

BANI ISRAEL
(THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL)

SECTION 5:

42. Say you, If there had been other gods with Him as they say, then they would have sought out any way towards the Owner of the Throne.

http://www.nizamulislam.com/quran/bani_israel.asp

Greek mythology
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Era of gods

Cosmogony and cosmology

See also: Greek primordial gods and Family tree of the Greek gods

"Myths of origin" or "creation myths" represent an attempt to render the universe comprehensible in human terms and explain the origin of the world.[22] The most widely accepted version at the time, although a philosophical account of the beginning of things, is reported by Hesiod, in his Theogony. He begins with Chaos, a yawning nothingness. Out of the void emerged Eurynome,[citation needed] Gê or Gaia (the Earth) and some other primary divine beings: Eros (Love), the Abyss (the Tartarus), and the Erebus.[23] Without male assistance, Gaia gave birth to Uranus (the Sky) who then fertilized her. From that union were born first the Titans—six males: Coeus, Crius, Cronus, Hyperion, Iapetus, and Oceanus; and six females: Mnemosyne, Phoebe, Rhea, Theia, Themis, and Tethys. After Cronus was born, Gaia and Oranos decreed no more Titans were to be born. They were followed by the one-eyed Cyclopes and the Hecatonchires or Hundred-Handed Ones. Cronus ("the wily, youngest and most terrible of Gaia's children" [23]) castrated his father and became the ruler of the gods with his sister-wife Rhea as his consort, and the other Titans became his court.
A motif of father-against-son conflict was repeated when Cronus was confronted by his son, Zeus. Because Cronus had betrayed his father, he feared that his offspring would do the same, and so each time Rhea gave birth, he snatched up the child and ate it. Rhea hated this and tricked him by hiding Zeus and wrapping a stone in a baby's blanket, which Cronus ate. When Zeus was grown, he fed his father a drugged drink which caused Cronus to vomit, throwing up Rhea's other children and the stone, which had been sitting in Cronus' stomach all along. Zeus then challenged Cronus to war for the kingship of the gods. At last, with the help of the Cyclopes (whom Zeus freed from Tartarus), Zeus and his siblings were victorious, while Cronus and the Titans were hurled down to imprisonment in Tartarus.[24]

Zeus was plagued by the same concern and, after a prophecy that the offspring of his first wife, Metis, would give birth to a god "greater than he"—Zeus swallowed her. She was already pregnant with Athena, however, and they made him miserable until Athena burst forth from his head—fully-grown and dressed for war. This "rebirth" from Zeus was used as an excuse for why he was not "superseded" by a child of the next generation of gods, but accounted for the presence of Athena. It is likely that cultural changes already in progress absorbed the long-standing local cult of Athena at Athens into the changing Olympic pantheon without conflict because it could not be overcome.[citation needed]
The earliest Greek thought about poetry considered the theogonies to be the prototypical poetic genre—the prototypical mythos—and imputed almost magical powers to it. Orpheus, the archetypal poet, also was the archetypal singer of theogonies, which he uses to calm seas and storms in Apollonius' Argonautica, and to move the stony hearts of the underworld gods in his descent to Hades. When Hermes invents the lyre in the Homeric Hymn to Hermes, the first thing he does is sing about the birth of the gods.[25] Hesiod's Theogony is not only the fullest surviving account of the gods, but also the fullest surviving account of the archaic poet's function, with its long preliminary invocation to the Muses. Theogony also was the subject of many lost poems, including those attributed to Orpheus, Musaeus, Epimenides, Abaris, and other legendary seers, which were used in private ritual purifications and mystery-rites. There are indications that Plato was familiar with some version of the Orphic theogony.[26] A silence would have been expected about religious rites and beliefs, however, and that nature of the culture would not have been reported by members of the society while the beliefs were held. After they ceased to become religious beliefs, few would have known the rites and rituals. Allusions often existed, however, to aspects that were quite public.
Images existed on pottery and religious artwork that were interpreted and more likely, misinterpreted in many diverse myths and tales. A few fragments of these works survive in quotations by Neoplatonist philosophers and recently unearthed papyrus scraps. One of these scraps, the Derveni Papyrus now proves that at least in the fifth century BC a theogonic-cosmogonic poem of Orpheus was in existence. This poem attempted to outdo Hesiod's Theogony and the genealogy of the gods was extended back to Nyx (Night) as an ultimate female beginning before Eurynome,[citation needed] Uranus, Cronus, and Zeus.[27] Night and Darkness could equate with Chaos.
The first philosophical cosmologists reacted against, or sometimes built upon, popular mythical conceptions that had existed in the Greek world for some time. Some of these popular conceptions can be gleaned from the poetry of Homer and Hesiod. In Homer, the Earth was viewed as a flat disk afloat on the river of Oceanus and overlooked by a hemispherical sky with sun, moon, and stars. The Sun (Helios) traversed the heavens as a charioteer and sailed around the Earth in a golden bowl at night. Sun, earth, heaven, rivers, and winds could be addressed in prayers and called to witness oaths. Natural fissures were popularly regarded as entrances to the subterranean house of Hades and his predecessors, home of the dead.[28] Influences from other cultures always afforded new themes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology

The Greeks gods fought each other in wars.

The Triune God - A Reflection on the Holy Trinity

By Fr. Jose Prakash

Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equal, yet subject to one another

Because of their divine nature, the Father, Son and Spirit are equal to one another. And yet, unlike human beings, the three divine Persons do not fight for equality, power or position. On the contrary, they submit to one another in utter humility and love. This is what we encounter in Christ Jesus, who, "though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God, as something to be exploited, but emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, humbled himself and became obedient to death, even death on a cross" (Phil 2:6-8).

The Holy Spirit, we see, is subject to the Father as well as the Son. He is subject to the Father because he is the Spirit of the Father (Mt 10:20) and it is the Father who sends him (Jn 14:16;Gal 4:6). The Spirit is also subject to the Son, because "He is the Spirit of truth who will testify to the Son" (Jn 15:26). The Holy Spirit will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will glorify the Son (Jn 16:13-14).

Although the Son and the Spirit are subject to the Father, it cannot be that the Father is simply ruling over them. Because the Son and the Spirit are equal to the Father and share in the same divine nature, we should rightly think that whatever the Father does, He does it in total union with the will of the Son and the Spirit .


We are equal, and yet should be subject to one another

As children of the same God and as people made in the image and likeness of God, all human beings are basically equal. Hence all distinctions and discriminations based on caste, creed, color, sex, power, position and wealth are sins against the dignity of the human person. The basic equality of all people also calls for certain respect for one's own self. To consider oneself inferior to another, no matter how well-placed he is in society, is simply wrong and a sin against oneself. St. Paul says, "There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus (Gal 3:28).

Though equals, we are also called to submit ourselves to one another in humility and love, just as the Triune Godhead are subject to one another. St. Paul exhorts wives and husbands to be "Subordinate to one another out of reverence for Christ" (Eph 5:21). In his letter to the Romans, Paul writes "Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God" (Rom 13:1).


Conclusion

Our reflection on the Triune Godhead shows that though we cannot fathom the mystery of the Trinity with our human intellect, it is still very justifiable to believe in it. The Trinitarian life offers us the most beautiful model for our own lives in a pluralistic society. We are many and diverse and yet we can be one; we are all equal and yet can be subject to one another. Many of the problems that the world faces today, could be eliminated, if we, as the children of God seriously sought to emulate the Trinitarian model of life.

http://www.missionofjesus.com/divine_centre/art8.htm

This Christian is saying that the 3 gods in the Trinity don't fight over power.

Hindu mythological wars
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Wars of Hindu history depict great heroes and demons in battles of celestial proportions, filled with the awesome force of celestial weapons, religious mysticism, magic, celestial and supernatural beings.
Overriding the awesome battles and wondrous features is a deep driving purpose of religion and fate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_mythological_wars

Hindu gods fight each other in wars.

My question is if Satan or the Devil the fallen Angel or the Jinn rebelled againist God why can't the Trinity gods the Son rebel againist the Father or rebel againist the Holy Sprit ? I would like to ask in Islam did Satan or the Devil rebel against God I don't want to get this wrong thank you I know in the Bible Satan or the Devil and his Angels waged war against God in Heaven is it the same in the Quran and in Islam ?

War in Heaven
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

War in Heaven is a concept found in the eschatological and apocalyptic writings of Judaism and Christianity.
The best known example is that found in the Book of Revelation, which opens with the words, "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place", and includes in those events a War in Heaven:
"Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they were defeated and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world - he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him."[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Heaven

How, why, and when did Satan fall from heaven?



Question: "How, why, and when did Satan fall from heaven?"

Answer: Satan’s fall from heaven is symbolically described in Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 28:12-18. While these two passages are referring specifically to the kings of Babylon and Tyre, they also reference the spiritual power behind those kings, namely, Satan. These passages describe why Satan fell, but they do not specifically say when the fall occurred. What we do know is this: the angels were created before the earth (Job 38:4-7). Satan fell before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden (Genesis 3:1-14). Satan’s fall, therefore, must have occurred somewhere after the time the angels were created and before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Whether Satan’s fall occurred a few minutes, hours, or days before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden, Scripture does not specifically say.

The book of Job tells us that, for a time at least, Satan still had access to heaven and to the throne of God. “One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. The LORD said to Satan, ’Where have you come from?’ Satan answered the LORD, ‘From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it’” (Job 1:6-7). Apparently at that time, Satan was still moving freely between heaven and earth, speaking to God directly and answering for his activities. At what point God discontinued this access is unknown.

Why did Satan fall from heaven? Satan fell because of pride. He desired to be God, not to be a servant of God. Notice the many “I will...” statements in Isaiah 14:12-15. Ezekiel 28:12-15 describes Satan as an exceedingly beautiful angel. Satan was likely the highest of all angels, the most beautiful of all of God's creations, but he was not content in his position. Instead, Satan desired to be God, to essentially “kick God off His throne” and take over the rule of the universe. Satan wanted to be God, and interestingly enough, that is what Satan tempted Adam and Eve with in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:1-5). How did Satan fall from heaven? Actually, a fall is not an accurate description. It would be far more accurate to say God cast Satan out of heaven (Isaiah 14:15; Ezekiel 28:16-17). Satan did not fall from heaven; rather, Satan was pushed out of heaven.

Recommended Resource: Angels: Elect & Evil by C. Fred Dickason.

This page is also available in: Español, Português, Arabic, Indonesia, Japanese, Russian, Italiano, Polski, Bulgarian

http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-fall.html

Sorry for posting all this I just want to get my point across.​
 
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Re: Does anyone here agree with this article I know I do.

I do agree, there cannot be more than one God.
 
I was talking to a family member who is a Christian and I said if Jesus is God who wa

I was talking to a family member who is a Christian and I said if Jesus is God who was running the universe while Jesus was being born or in the womb of Mary or when he died on the cross or just while he was living and he asked me what I meant by running the universe since God created the universe he said why would God need to run it since the laws of nature or of nature runs the universe not God and God's laws is there a good answer I can give when someone asks how God runs the universe in my opinion God and God's laws do run the universe since God made the universe.
 
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