truthseeker63's Corner [Clarification about Islam]

[Ramadhan]

Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

Of course If you do understand the full natureGods power, ability and being I will have no option but to defer to your superior power as you are obviously God, as God is the only person that can fully comprehend God. And the titlle Al - Qadir ( The All Able ) doesn't apply as you have said there are some things he can't do.

By your sick christian logic, God can turn into a goat, a fish, a poop?

astaghfirullah.

christians would say anything to follow their own desires and whims and stubbornly refuse to worship the One God, without partner.

 

[YieldedOne]

Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

Siam:
YO---that would be the persian mystic al-Hallaj---while in a state of fanaa he said "I am the truth" ---he was executed
according to John 14:6.

Yeah, that's it! :statisfie

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Siam:
Jesus Christ (pbuh) said --- I am the way and the truth and the life...... perhaps he was also a sufi in fanaa?

Actually, I think so. I would at least say that Jesus was a mystic. Many scholars--conservative and otherwise--say that Jesus evidenced himself as a Jewish mystic, that is to say, having a depth of intimacy with Divine Presence and his life/ministry came from that intimacy. To me, the similarities between Jesus' death and al-Hallaj's are striking. And RIGHT DOWN the alley of why mystics are typically persecuted: using language of intimacy with God that borders on or asserts identification with God.

 

[Predator]

Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

I never sugested he created an uncreated God ; I suggest you read what I said and tell me which part you would tell God he can't do; thats not to say he did do.

Love and respect

Your God was cirumcised on the eight day and you could probably find his foreskin when you start digging in palestine. is that piece of foreskin your God ? Does God leave his fore skin lying around ?

 

[3rddec]

Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

So in the end you say that there was no Injeel in existance for Mohammed or anyone else so why would he even talk about it or refer to it at all surely no one would be directed to eat of corrupted fruit but rather eat fresh. So why would Mohammed even suggest to look for any truths beyond the Quran at all. It makes no sense. Why would you use a corrupted book to reinforce your arguement. My logic is simple where is the Injeel. You say its not in the christian books uncorrupted but how can you know this if you do not have any of the original to check. Where is the original. Of course I could post a ton of links to answeringIslam but that would be pointless and lazy because if you wanted to hear the other side of this you would have found them yourself. Dont you think I havent already seen some oth these Islamic links and being honest looked at the points they make and explored the counter points in christian sites. So please try not to Judge me by what you have found in others in this forum.

oops sorry I had some various pro christian views and pro islam views links posted here but because of my limitations in this forum i am not allowed to post them

there are soooo many more ; i could waste a whole evening posting them.

I was under the impression that a forum was a place for discussion and debate not a place to post flyers. In my work we are constantly flooded with information and regulations and updates so much so that I often complain that there is Information overload and that often we miss the important messages or dont get time to digest the important stuff. I really wish i was some sort of super human that could read everything at once and digest it at once but im not so I try and follow one line of enquiry at a time and at the moment my interest is in where then is the Injeel. To look up every tiny change or variation in phrasiology and whether it impacts on the revealed truth does not at the moment seem an appropriate use of my limited time especially as from my brousing scholars on both sides seem to have plenty of arguements and counter arguements.

So forgive me for choosing to do things in my own way

Love and Respect

 

[3rddec]

Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

Sorry MustaphaMc i was so busy ansering Vale i didnt notice that you have written that the Gospel of Thomas isnt the pure Injeel so can I be Clear then there was no written record of the uncorrupted Injeel around in Mohammeds time when so many other Christian books were written down and that if there was a pure oral traditon still available to Mohammed none of these people felt the need to write it down. This is the accepted Muslim belief. And does the same hold true for the Torah.

 

[3rddec]

Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

I thank Vale for this information as it was my discussion with her that caused me to explore what is holy in the Quran. thanks again Vale.

It would seem that there must have been at least one copy of the Injeel written down and as the Quran says Injeel not corrupted Injeel and If I am to take this as truth then where did it go.

And indeed We have written in Az-Zabûr [i.e. all the revealed Holy Books - the Taurât (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Psalms, the Qur'ân] after (We have already written in) Al-Lauh Al-Mahfûz (the Book, that is in the heaven with Allâh), that My righteous slaves shall inherit the land (i.e. the land of Paradise).

Love and Respect

 

[Trumble]

Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime is this even possible ?

I wouldn't say anything! On this one it's just easier to agree to disagree as umpteen fruitless topics on this subject testify.

 

[جوري]

Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

So in the end you say that there was no Injeel in existance for Mohammed or anyone else so why would he even talk about it or refer to it at all surely no one would be directed to eat of corrupted fruit but rather eat fresh. So why would Mohammed even suggest to look for any truths beyond the Quran at all. It makes no sense. Why would you use a corrupted book to reinforce your arguement.

The injeel that Jesus brought has nothing to do with the Nicene council fabrication you hold today..There is no indication that Jesus wanted any gospel to be taken down, considering he was only sent to the Jews!

My logic is simple where is the Injeel. You say its not in the christian books uncorrupted but how can you know this if you do not have any of the original to check. Where is the original. Of course I could post a ton of links to answeringIslam but that would be pointless and lazy because if you wanted to hear the other side of this you would have found them yourself. Dont you think I havent already seen some oth these Islamic links and being honest looked at the points they make and explored the counter points in christian sites. So please try not to Judge me by what you have found in others in this forum.

found out what for myself?nothing you write is remotely credible or even challenging, I don't have to exert minimum effort ..I write this as I speak on the phone & watch TV.. it should give you a hint at how deep your proposals here!

oops sorry I had some various pro christian views and pro islam views links posted here but because of my limitations in this forum i am not allowed to post them

there are soooo many more ; i could waste a whole evening posting them.

I can't imagine you being anymore wasteful than you already are!

I

was under the impression that a forum was a place for discussion and debate not a place to post flyers. In my work we are constantly flooded with information and regulations and updates so much so that I often complain that there is Information overload and that often we miss the important messages or dont get time to digest the important stuff. I really wish i was some sort of super human that could read everything at once and digest it at once but im not so I try and follow one line of enquiry at a time and at the moment my interest is in where then is the Injeel. To look up every tiny change or variation in phrasiology and whether it impacts on the revealed truth does not at the moment seem an appropriate use of my limited time especially as from my brousing scholars on both sides seem to have plenty of arguements and counter arguements.

So forgive me for choosing to do things in my own way

Love and Respect

Don't like it here don't be a member here!
you can't have a fruitful discussion without evidential links.. what is the point otherwise? we're not here to entertain you nor are here to be entertained by you..

all the best

 

[truthseeker63]

Does Islam believe that the Prophet Adam the first man and the first human submitted

Does Islam believe that the Prophet Adam the first man and the first human submitted to God what does the Quran or the Hadith say was Adam a Muslim the first Muslim ?​

 

[truthseeker63]

Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that Jesus was human and not God ?

Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that Jesus was human and not God ?

 

[3rddec]

Re: Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that Jesus was human and not God

yo Truthseeker why dont you just post your list now; then see if you have missed any parts. lol

 

[3rddec]

Re: Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that Jesus was human and not God

sorry bout that I just couldn't help myself

Love and Respect

 

[Predator]

Re: Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that Jesus was human and not God

Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that Jesus was human and not God ?

Chapter 5:17
In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against God, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For God hath power over all things.

Verse 75:
Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!


What does Allah mean ""See, How i made my signs clear to you " ? He''s trying to tell that anyone that eats food can never be a God and is not worthy of worship . Because when you eat food , you have a call of nature and you need a the toilet and if there is no toilet you have to look for the rock or the bush and this is not the quality of God , he doesnt look for toilet or bushes and rocks to excrete.He doesnt do that.

 

[Ghazalah]

Re: Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that Jesus was human and not God

^So much for love and respect

"Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how God makes His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!" (5:75).

"He [Jesus] said: 'I am indeed a servant of God. He has given me revelation and made me a prophet; He has made me blessed wheresoever I be; and He has enjoined on me prayer and charity as long as I live. He has made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable. So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!' Such was Jesus the son of Mary. It is a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is" (19:30-35).


"And behold! God will say [i.e. on the Day of Judgment]: 'Oh Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Yours. For You know in full all that is hidden. Never did I say to them anything except what You commanded me to say: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I lived among them. When You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a witness to all things'" (5:116-117).

 

[truthseeker63]

I know there are many scientific miracles in the Quran but what if and are there any

I know there are many scientific miracles in the Quran but what if and are there any what do I say to Christians who think there are scientific miracles in the bible in other words are there still any truths left in the Bible ?

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

 

[truthseeker63]

Re: I know there are many scientific miracles in the Quran but what if and are there

My question does the Quran or the Hadith say if there is any truth left in the Bible ?

 

[truthseeker63]

I know this verse from the Quran is saying that the creation of Jesus is like the cre

I know this verse from the Quran is saying that the creation of Jesus is like the creation of Adam the first human but my question is this verse also saying that Jesus is like Adam the first human in the sense that they are both humans ?

Quran, "Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is." 3:59

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: I know there are many scientific miracles in the Quran but what if and are there

You need to bring this to the comparative religions sections and I am sure we will take a look at your claim that bible contains scientific truth, and compare that with the Qur'an.

I have also noticed, again, that you recycle your questions. Can you just not look at your past threads for the answers?

Also, we have shown in your past threads about the corruption of torah and injeel.

And you need to realize that the bible are not torah and injeel, because torah and injeel are direct commands and sayings of Allah through the prophets Musa and Isa (pbut).

We shown you again and again about the truth of Islam and the veracity of the Qur'an as direct, unadulterated speech of God.
It is now up to you whether you accept the truth, so do not blame us later in life or after that we didn't share these information with you.

 

[Tyrion]

Re: I know there are many scientific miracles in the Quran but what if and are there

I have also noticed, again, that you recycle your questions. Can you just not look at your past threads for the answers?

Ugh, THANK YOU for noticing this too. Truthseeker, I've mentioned this to you a few times... Ask your questions in a single thread, or just search through old threads... You can't keep making so many threads every day, especially when they're questions that have already been answered/don't really require discussion...

 

[Hiroshi]

Re: What do I say to Christians who think Jesus can be God and human at the sametime

The injeel that Jesus brought has nothing to do with the Nicene council fabrication you hold today..

I have questioned this assertion before and no one has ever shown me any historical evidence whatsoever that the Nicene council altered the Bible canon. Please can you back up your claims with facts.

There is no indication that Jesus wanted any gospel to be taken down, considering he was only sent to the Jews!

If it was not taken down how then could it be "with" the Christians and contain writings about Muhammad as stated in Surah 7:157?