truthseeker63's Corner [Clarification about Islam]

[Zafran]

Re: Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that the Prophets were Muslims a

That's the catch -- you say I am NOT 'Muslim' (follower of God's will) because of what you believe God's will to be and what you perceive MY beliefs to be, whereas I would believe you are the one not following God's will. It's all a matter of perspective.

So yes, I was correct. You believe the prophet Muhammad, so you say I am not a 'Muslim'. I wasn't really wanting to discuss which details about my beliefs you believe to be false or incorrect, just what the words 'Muslim' and 'Islam' mean and how they can be applied differently based on one's perspective.

Now, if the words 'Islam' and 'Muslim' had a narrower definition, such as 'Islam' being 'submission to the will of God as revealed through the prophet Muhammad' and 'Muslim' being 'one who submits to the will of God as revealed through the prophet Muhammad', that would clear things up. Is that a more accurate definition for these words?

All the prophets were Muslims according to the Quran - furthermore in Islamic understanding of christ the messiah is that he was a man and prophet of God like Adam pbuh which is not the same understanding in christainty.

 

[UsayIsaIsayGod]

Re: Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that the Prophets were Muslims a

That you worship a creation is already a fact that you don't submit to God.

I don't believe Jesus was created. I believe he manifested in the flesh (incarnated.)

 

[UsayIsaIsayGod]

Re: Are there any verses in the Quran and or the Hadith that say that the Moon is God

I did not dispute that Mary is different from moon, you were the one who made an analogy of muslims and moon with catholics and mary, and I pointed out at such ridiculousness of analogy. So why are you disputing your analogy now? As this debate has proved, moon/crescent does not mean anything for muslims, while mary (pbuh) holds very important significance for catholocs. So your analogy is flawed and does not hold water.

All I was saying is that uneducated people claim Muslims worship a Moon God, and uneducated people also claim that Catholic worship Mary as a Goddess. I think we have taken this too far.

As for you claiming that catholics do not worship Mary (pbuh), I think you need to see these pictures, which is quite common as many catholics have statues and images in their own homes and in all catholic churches (it is actually worse, because they worship a statue and images, the most abhorrent of sins - of you dont believe me, just open up your bible and read it yourself):

If you would like to cite the Bible, I would also like to cite it: in the Old Testament, it is recorded that God commanded the creation of certain images (the cherubim on the ark of the covenant, the bronze serpent, and the cherubim on the curtains of the tabernacle of the testimony.)

From the Catechism:

2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."70 The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:

Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is.71

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: Are there any verses in the Quran and or the Hadith that say that the Moon is God

All I was saying is that uneducated people claim Muslims worship a Moon God, and uneducated people also claim that Catholic worship Mary as a Goddess. I think we have taken this too far.

There is no basis whatsoever, either in theology, scriptural or practice that muslims worship moon god. That's why in my first post in this thread I said it is up to those christians to provide with evidence about their accusation.

Cahtolics worshipping Mary, however, has a lot of basis. Other christians even say that catholics worship mary (pbuh), and as the pictures also tell, catholics do worship mary (pbuh) in practice.

If you would like to cite the Bible, I would also like to cite it: in the Old Testament, it is recorded that God commanded the creation of certain images (the cherubim on the ark of the covenant, the bronze serpent, and the cherubim on the curtains of the tabernacle of the testimony.) From the Catechism: 2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."70 The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:

Is catechims the words of God?
was catechism conveyed by Jesus (pbuh)?
or was catechism creation of rabbis and priests?
Are the words of mere men more important to you than the words of your God?

Let's say what God in the bible say about images and statues:


Exodus 20:2–17
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 Do not have any other gods before me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,
6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.

etc...

Deuteronomy 5:6–21
6 I am the Lord your God, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 7 you shall have no other gods before me.
8 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me,
etc...

And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. (Romans 1:23)

Last question:
Have you actually read your own bible?

 

[JOHNJOHN]

Re: Are there any verses in the Quran and or the Hadith that say that the Moon is God

Hi everybody,


Can somebody tell me why we have Crescent Moon on the top of Mosques ?

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that the Prophets were Muslims a

I don't believe Jesus was created. I believe he manifested in the flesh (incarnated.)

I know what you believe. However, that is not the fact. Was jesus (pbuh) born out of mary (pbuh)? YES.
so he was created.

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Are there any verses in the Quran and or the Hadith that say that the Moon is God

Hi everybody,


Can somebody tell me why we have Crescent Moon on the top of Mosques ?

We can attribute that to the Ottoman empire. The Star and Crescent Moon were symbols of the Ottoman's. In it's peak the empire extended over many nations. There were numerous Christians living in many of the areas and it was often difficult to tell the difference between a Masjid and a Church. Islam has no symbol representing it so the Masjids were identified as being Turkish with the crescent moon on top. It was safe to assume that if it was Turkish it was Muslim.

that is just a brief synopsis based upon memory. Perhaps somebody can elaborate further.

 

[truthseeker63]

(1) Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that Zurayq ibn Hayyan, who wa

(1) Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that Zurayq ibn Hayyan, who was in charge of Egypt in the time of al-Walid, Sulayman, and Umar ibn Abd al-'Aziz, mentiOned that Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz had written to him saying, "Assess the muslims that you come across and take from what is apparent of their wealth and whatever merchandise is in their charge, One Dinar for every Forty Dinars, and the same proportion from what is less than that down to twenty Dinars, and if the amount falls short of that by One third of a Dinar then leave it and do not take anything from it. As for the people of the Book that you come across, take from the merchandise in their charge One Dinar for every twenty Dinars, and the same proportion from what is less than that down to ten Dinars, and if the amount falls short by One third of a Dinar leave it and do not take anything from it.

http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHa...k=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

Is One Dinar for every Forty Dinars 2.5% for the Zakat ?

 

[FS123]

Re: Are there any verses in the Quran and or the Hadith that say that the Moon is God

We can attribute that to the Ottoman empire. The Star and Crescent Moon were symbols of the Ottoman's. In it's peak the empire extended over many nations. There were numerous Christians living in many of the areas and it was often difficult to tell the difference between a Masjid and a Church. Islam has no symbol representing it so the Masjids were identified as being Turkish with the crescent moon on top. It was safe to assume that if it was Turkish it was Muslim.

that is just a brief synopsis based upon memory. Perhaps somebody can elaborate further.

Nope, that sums it up in a nutshell. Ottomon's adopted it as a muslim symbol. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[missy]

Re: What is Islam's view on Islamic law of inheritance inherited property ?

Salaam,

Here's some info i was able to gather....

Islamic Inheritance Law is based on the following facts:

1. The shares were designated by God Almighty Himself.
2. A Muslim is allotted freedom on 1/3 of his wealth as a right to make a legal bequeath (will).
3. In Islam the heirs are always from the family members themselves and the shares are based on the closeness of the heir from the deceased, a fact which results in strengthening the family ties.
4. Islam gives the right to inherit to a group of heirs which prevents the wealth form being accumulated in single hand.
5. The shares are clearly stated in the textual sources in order to avoid all kinds of disputes and disturbance between the heirs.


Some of the verses related to Inheritance are:

"there is a share for men and a share for women from what is left by parents and those nearest related, whether, the property be small or large - a legal share." (an-Nisaa 4:7)

The specified shares are:

"Allâh commands You as regards Your children's (inheritance); to the male, a portion equal to that of two females; if (there are) Only daughters, two or more, their share is two thirds of the inheritance; if Only one, her share is half. for parents, a sixth share of inheritance to each if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased left brothers or (sisters), the mother has a sixth. (the distribution In All cases is) after the payment of legacies He may have bequeathed or debts. You know not which of them, whether Your parents or Your children, are nearest to You In benefit, (these fixed shares) are ordained by Allâh. and Allâh is ever All*Knower, All*Wise." (an-Nisaa 4:11)

"In that which Your wives Leave, Your share is a half if they have no child; but if they leave a child, You get a fourth of that which they leave after payment of legacies that they may have bequeathed or debts. In that which You Leave, their (your wives) share is a fourth if You leave no child; but if You leave a child, they get an eighth of that which You leave after payment of legacies that You may have bequeathed or debts. if the man or woman whose inheritance is In question has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share In a third; after payment of lagacies He (or she) may have bequeathed or debts, so that no loss is caused (to anyone). This is a Commandment from Allâh; and Allâh is ever All*Knowing, Most*Forbearing." (an-Nisaa 4:12)

"they ask You for a legal verdict. say: "Allâh directs (thus) about Al*Kalâlah (those who leave neither descendants nor ascendants as heirs). if it is a man that dies, leaving a sister, but no child, she shall have half the inheritance. if (such a deceased was) a woman, who left no child, her brother takes her inheritance. if there are two sisters, they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance; if there are brothers and sisters, the male will have twice the share of the female. (thus) does Allâh makes clear to You (his Law) lest You Go astray. and Allâh is the All-Knower of everything." (an-Nisaa 4:176)

In order to simplify it a bit further….

1) Those who deserve 1/2 of the property:
1. Husband (if no child),
2. Daughter (if only one),
3. Full Sister
2) Those who deserve 1/4
1. Husband (if with child),
2. Wife (if no child)
3) Those who deserve 1/8
1. Wife (if with child)
4) Those who deserve 2/3
1. Daughters (if more than one),
2. Daughters of Son
3. Full Sisters (if more than one)
5) Those who deserve 1/3
1. Mother (if there are no children or their descendants)

Something important to keep in mind……
When a person dies there are four things that need to be done before distributing the shares from his property:
1) Pay his/her funeral and burial expenses
2) Pay his/her debts
3) Execute his Will/bequest (max 1/3 of his/her property)
4) Distribute remainder of his/her estate/property according to Islamic Shariah Law


I hope that u'll be able to understand this....it's seems a bit complicated, but in fact it's not; rather it's a blessing from Allah SWT cuz of which there is no chance of occurrence of disputes and fights related to inheritance....as far as i know no other religion lays down such clear guidelines in this matter.

With Peace.

 

[missy]

Re: (1) Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that Zurayq ibn Hayyan, wh

Salaam,

Yup...you got it Right..
it's basic math....1/40 x (100) = 2.5%


if you need any more clarifications, feel free to ask.

 

[truthseeker63]

I believe that we as human beings should put God first before mney and wealth that pe

I believe that we as human beings should put God first before mney and wealth that people who love their wealth their money more than they love God are wrong after all we can't take our money with us after we die look at it this way if a poor person dies and goes to Paradise and a Rich/Wealthy person goes to Hell who really has true Wealth what do you all think what does the Quran and or the Hadith say about loving your Wealth/Money more than you love God ?

 

[Tyrion]

Re: I believe that we as human beings should put God first before mney and wealth tha

Okay Truthseeker, I think it's become obvious to everyone that you're just a spammer... Still, I'll tell you this much:

1) Learn to use punctuation.

2) Actually open and read the Quran, or learn to use Google search. Over 95% of your threads are just basic questions that won't start any sort of discussion, or odd observations/ideas you seem to have.

3) If you really must post something every time something pops into your head, then do it in ONE THREAD. I've told you this multiple times (and so have others). Go, right now. Make a thread titled "Truthseekers Questions" and just post everything you want there.


Apologies if this sounds harsh, but come on. This is just getting ridiculous.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Re: I believe that we as human beings should put God first before mney and wealth tha

wealth is health man

 

[Asiyah3]

Re: I believe that we as human beings should put God first before mney and wealth tha

Our purpose of life is not money nor wealth. =)

 

[truthseeker63]

Re: I believe that we as human beings should put God first before mney and wealth tha

Ok sorry for posting this thread.

 

[marwen]

Re: I believe that we as human beings should put God first before mney and wealth tha

^ no your threads are fine for me, but it would be great if you don't put your post contents in the title zone , and choose a shorter title if you want. It would be more attracting

 

[Futuwwa]

Re: Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that the Prophets were Muslims a

Does this mean that 'Islam' (submission to God's will) and 'Muslim' (one who submits to God's will) are entirely dependent on what one believes God's will to be? That is, I am a Catholic, so according to my view Catholicism is 'Islam' and I am a 'Muslim', whereas those who believe the prophet Muhammad would say that I am not a 'Muslim'? Is this correct?

Technically, yes. The way the Quran uses the word "Muslim" isn't exactly equivalent with the common, general, worldview-neutral use of the word. Strictly speaking from a Quranic perspective, present-day Christianity and Judaism would not be separate religions, but rather (very) deviant and incomplete branches of Islam.

 

[IAmZamzam]

Re: Where in the Quran or other Islamic text is Homosexuality talked about as being a

I had entirely forgotten about this thread!

MustafaMC, the only way anything will be bred out of the gene pool will be if it is widely recognized as the genetic anomaly or aberration that it is, and in most western developed countries the odds of that happening with homosexuality reduce the size of the proverbial snowball in hell and increase the temperature of the flames around it more and more every year. To say we're already beyond hope on that front (at least for the next few decades or so--the historical pendulum is the only potential escape) would be at this point like saying that it's beginning to look, scientifically, like ice is actually solid water.

hopeonallah: I strongly doubt that you're truly incapable of understanding the difference between not being able to help being homosexual and not being able to help practicing homosexual sex. (But then again, that difference is recognized less and less commonly as the snowball melts. Missing the obvious is what we human beings are best at.) As I've said before, I think your real problem is sexual addiction, which strikes people of all sexualities equally commonly and hard. There are support groups and what not.

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

Re: Where in the Quran or other Islamic text is Homosexuality talked about as being a

did the prophet(pbuh) or companions or past prophets apart from lut(as) had to deal with homosexuals?