truthseeker63's Corner in Comparative religion

[sister herb]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Jews is religion, not race.

If I change my religion to jew, do I change my race?
I don´t think so.

Nation it is not.

Israel is nation against international laws if you meant that.

From Palestine:

We have suffered too much for too long, We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom!

 

[sister herb]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

We will see today how this jew state meet human right activists by Mavi Marmara boat to Gaza.

Last year they killed 9 human right activists.

 

[Darth Ultor]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Nation =/= country. It means a common people with the same beliefs, ideals, cultural background. The Muslim Ummah is a nation, but there is no country called Islamia. And are any of you capable of discussing Judaism without bringing up the Israeli - Palestinian conflict?

 

[ardianto]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Nation =/= country. It means a common people with the same beliefs, ideals, cultural background. The Muslim Ummah is a nation, but there is no country called Islamia. And are any of you capable of discussing Judaism without bringing up the Israeli - Palestinian conflict?

You are right Nation =/= Country.

However, Ummah is not nation but ................... I don't know what is the right English word for Ummah, sorry.

 

[Futuwwa]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Nation =/= country. It means a common people with the same beliefs, ideals, cultural background. The Muslim Ummah is a nation, but there is no country called Islamia. And are any of you capable of discussing Judaism without bringing up the Israeli - Palestinian conflict?

Well, all in the Ummah may have the same beliefs (with some local variation), but hardly the same ideals and definitely not the same cultural background. The same could be said of Jews, who tend to culturally have more in common with the majority populations of the countries they live in, than with Jewish communities in other countries. And modern Israel has pretty much been in a state of Jew-on-Jew kulturkampf since its emergence.

I'm perfectly capable of differentiating between Judaism and the state of Israel. And if you are, you will agree with me that there is nothing antisemitic about being a radical antizionist

 

[Who Am I?]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Israelis = people in Israel who happen to be Jewish

Jews = practitioners of Judaism who may or may not be of true Israeli descent

There is a difference to me.

There. No mention of Palestinians.

Er... wait... oh crap. :hmm:

 

[Just_A_Girl13]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Israelis = people in Israel who happen to be Jewish Jews = practitioners of Judaism who may or may not be of true Israeli descent

Agreed, brother.

And are any of you capable of discussing Judaism without bringing up the Israeli - Palestinian conflict?

I prefer not to discuss it as I have trouble forming a coherent opinion:embarrass

 

[Amigo]

Re: Many Christians claim that Bible Prophecy and events in history proves the Bible

There is lots and lots of exagerations for sure. And yes, the word 'prophet' essentially means 'truth teller', not so much 'future teller'. If he happens to say something concerning the future, it is because the 'end is in the beginning' principle of truth. For example, if my friend is planing to plant some plants in his backyard and I, looking at the seeds on his table, tell him that if he procceeds his house will be damaged in 4 years and it happens, this is the reason: I noticed the seed, and knowing what type of tree will grow from that seed, and knowing how its roots behave, I could tell that those roots will shake the foundations of the house, weaken it, and causes it to collapse.

We all have a prophetic sense, it is just not as developped as it was for great prophets. I mean, every woman know that if she sleeps with a man she will probably get pregnant. In fact, certainty can increase with the number of facts that check out. Here again, we see that prophecy is about 'telling the end from the beginning'. It is about knowing how to 'hear/read' the speech of God 'sounding' in his Creation.


There is a guy on youtube who gives some basics about how to read the Bible. He does it as part of lesson on the Hebrew language. You may find him interesting.

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: Many Christians claim that Bible Prophecy and events in history proves the Bible

Here's a list of failed bible prophecies:

False Prophecy #1 - Matthew 12:40
Jesus incorrectly predicted the day of his own resurrection
False Prophecy #2 - Matthew 12:38-40
Jesus prophesied falsely about many major events in his own ministry
False Prophecy #3 - Matthew 2:23
A fraudulent claim that a prophecy was fulfilled
False Prophecy #4 - John 13:18
Jesus claimed that he fulfilled a "prophecy" in Psalm 41 that cannot possibly be talking about him
False Prophecy #5 - Matthew 2:12-18
Jeremiah never predicted "The Slaughter of the Innocents" like Matthew said he did
False Prophecy #6 - Matthew 1:11-12
If Old Testament prophecy is true, then Matthew's genealogy proves that Jesus cannot be the Messiah
False Prophecy #7 - Matthew 1:23
Isaiah's famous Messianic prophecy wasn't one
False Prophecy #8 - Matthew 2:14-15
Matthew twists Hosea's words and takes them badly out of context to create a "prophecy"
False Prophecy #9 - Matthew 5:18
This one verse, attributed to Jesus himself, contains two contradictions and a false prophecy
False Prophecy #10 - Matthew 5:22
Jesus sinned by breaking his own command
False Prophecy #11 - Matthew 12:40
Jesus himself proved this wasn't true
False Prophecy #12 - Matthew 18:19-20
If this is true, why does penicillin without prayer work better than prayer without penicillin?
False Prophecy #13 - Matthew 2:23
Jesus made a false prediction about the Judgement Day
False Prophecy #14 - Mark 8:31
Jesus incorrectly predicted the time of his resurrection
False Prophecy #15 - Matthew 25:41
Jesus contradicted Micah's and Jeremiah's prophecies about God's forgiveness
False Prophecy #16 - Matthew 26:29
Jesus incorrectly predicted something that happened during his crucifixion
False Prophecy #17 - Matthew 26:34
Jesus is off by two crows
False Prophecy #18 - Mark 16:17-18
Jesus made an obviously false, and quite dangerous, dietary prediction
False Prophecy #19 - Matthew 27:57-60
Matthew, Mark and Luke all contradict a famous prophecy made by Isaiah
False Prophecy #20 - Luke 1:32
An angel contradicted a prophecy made by Jeremiah
False Prophecy #21 - Luke 8:10
Jesus contradicted himself about saving lost souls
False Prophecy #22 - Luke 23:43
Jesus falsely prophesied when he was on the cross
False Prophecy #23 - John 7:38
Jesus forged an Old Testament prophecy that never existed
False Prophecy #24 - Ezekiel 26:7-12
Ezekiel himself said that his own prophecy wasn't fulfilled, so do Matthew, Mark, Luke, Acts and satellite photos.
False Prophecy #25 - John 14:12
Four very good reasons that this prophecy, made by Jesus, is false
False Prophecy #26 - John 14:13-14
Jesus himself tried to fulfil this prophecy, and failed
False Prophecy #27 - John 15:25
Jesus supposedly wrote the Old Testament, but he showed his ignorance of it in this verse
False Prophecy #28 - John 16:13-15
Millions of Christians have proven that this prophecy, made by Jesus, is false
False Prophecy #29 - Acts 1:16-20
An apostle quoted parts of two Psalms and took them both badly out of context to create a "fulfilled prophecy"
False Prophecy #30 - Acts 2:25-27
An apostle said this was a fulfilled prophecy. But if it is, every Christian's salvation is in trouble
False Prophecy #31 - Acts 2:30
An apostle was unaware that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit
False Prophecy #32 - Acts 8:32
An apostle was unaware of major events of Jesus trial and crucifixion
False Prophecy #33 - Romans 2:5-6
Paul got it wrong about major events in the Old Testament
False Prophecy #34 - 2 Thessalonians 2:3
The Bible "predicted" something that has already happened hundreds of times
False Prophecy #35 - Hebrews 1:5
Passages in Samuel and Chronicles were twisted to supposedly mean something they can't possibly mean
False Prophecy #36 - Hebrews 10:7
This verse tries to make Psalm 40 a Messianic prophecy, but Psalm 40 cannot possibly be talking abougt Jesus
False Prophecy #37 - Genesis 13:15
God broke his promise to Abraham
False Prophecy #38 - 2 Peter 3:3-4
This is not a prophecy, it's a head game
False Prophecy #39 - 1 John 2:18
The apostle John supposedly "predicted" something that he knew had already happened many times
False Prophecy #40 - 1 John 3:22
There are two interpretations of this verse: one is demonstrably untrue and the other is extremely cruel
False Prophecy #41 - Revelation 21:1-4
This passage invalidated a prophecy made in the book of Isaiah
False Prophecy #42 - Revelation 21:8
God gave a prediction about Hell that is proven false from the Bible itself
False Prophecy #43 - Genesis 4:12
God prophesied it, and only 4 verses later, Genesis says that the exact opposite happened
False Prophecy #44 - Genesis 8:22
God prophesied this, then invalidated his own prophesy many times
False Prophecy #45 - Genesis 9:3
If you believe this verse, it could make you very very sick
False Prophecy #46 - Genesis 15:16
God can't count
False Prophecy #47 - Genesis 22:18 and Genesis 26:4
If God had done what he prophesied, millions of lives would have been spared
False Prophecy #48 - Genesis 35:10
God had a memory lapse and therefore violated his own prophecy
False Prophecy #49 - Genesis 49:10
The prophecy in this verse was contradicted by clear statements in Exodus, Numbers, Judges and Samuel
False Prophecy #50 - Exodus 12:1-14
Forever is not forever
False Prophecy #51 - Exodus 15:26
Bad health advice. Does God want Christians to be sicker than Jews?
False Prophecy #52 - Exodus 20:5
If your great-grandfather was a creep, God will take it out on you
False Prophecy #53 - Exodus 34:1
God prophesied it,and only 26 verses later the exact opposite happened
False Prophecy #54 - Deuteronomy 15:11
God promised to eliminate poverty, then only 7 verses later reneged on his promise
False Prophecy #55 - Matthew 26:52
Jesus was wrong about David, Moses, Joshua and many others
False Prophecy #56 - Joshua 6:26
God prophesied that he would break his own law
False Prophecy #57 - Zephaniah 2:9
God was wrong about Ammon
False Prophecy #58 - Exodus 17:14
God predicted incorrectly about Amalek
False Prophecy #59 - 1 Kings 11:13
God predicted incorrectly about 2 of the 12 tribes of Israel
False Prophecy #60 - 2 Kings 22:20
God prophesied falsely about Josiah, and broke his own law
False Prophecy #61 - Jeremiah 36:30
Jeremiah prophesied falsely about Jehoiachim and Jehoiachin
False Prophecy #62 - 2 Chronicles 1:12
God prophesied falsely about Solomon
False Prophecy #63 - Psalms 1:1-3
The Psalmist completely ignored obvious Biblical facts
False Prophecy #64 - Psalm 34:20
Another Messianic prophecy that isn't
False Prophecy #65 - Psalm 55:23
An obviously false prediction
False Prophecy #66 - Psalm 62:12 and Romans 2:6
A prophecy about the Judgement Day that is obviously false
False Prophecy #67 -Psalm 66:18
Genocide didn't interfere with Moses', Joshua's or David's prayer lives
False Prophecy #68 - Psalm 69:9
A supposed "Messianic Prophecy" that, if true, invalidates Jesus' dying for people's sins
False Prophecy #69 - Psalm 69:21
Yet another "Messianic Prophecy" that cannot possibly be talking about Jesus
False Prophecy #70 - Psalm 103:8-9
This prediction notwithstanding, God is really pissed and he is not going to get over it
False Prophecy #71 - Psalm 118:22 and 1 Peter 2:7
Psalm 118 cannot possibly mean what the writer of 1 Peter says it means
False Prophecy #72 - Ezekiel 23:25-26
God's "love" violates his own definition of it
False Prophecy #73 - Psalm 128:1-2
A prophecy about hard working people, disproven by the Bible itself
False Prophecy #74 - Psalm 145:10
All is not all
False Prophecy #75 - Proverbs 4:10-11
If this prophecy is true, why do modern people in post-Christian Europe live longer than Europeans in the Dark Ages?
False Prophecy #76 - Proverbs 17:5
Is God going to punish himself for violating his own prediction?
False Prophecy #77 - Isaiah 9:17
God violates his own prediction about how he would care for orphans
False Prophecy #78 - Isaiah 14:21
God violated the Law that he gave to Moses
False Prophecy #79 - Isaiah 26:3
Jesus invalidated this prophecy from Isaiah
False Prophecy #80 - 2 Timothy 3:12
The writer of Timothy contradicts a prophecy made in Proverbs
False Prophecy #81 - 1 Corinthians 3:8
God himself violated this prophecy many times
False Prophecy #82 - Micah 5:2
This famous "Christmas prophecy" obviously contradicts the clear meaning of the passage
False Prophecy #83 - Isaiah 42:2
Jesus and Isaiah are obviously at odds with each other on this one
False Prophecy #84 - Isaiah 44:24-45:1
God got it wrong about Cyrus
False Prophecy #85 - John 19:34-37 and Zechariah 12:9-10
You just have to wonder if the writer of John had ever even read Zechariah
False Prophecy #86 - Jeremiah 19:9
God loves little children, in the same way that most people love chocolate mousse
False Prophecy #87 - Jeremiah 25:11-12
These two verses contain four false prophecies
False Prophecy #88 - Ezekiel 6:10
God condemned himself
False Prophecy #89 - Ezekiel 18:14-17
God predicted that he would not kill anyone for their father's sins - NOT
False Prophecy #90 - Ezekiel 20:35
If this prophecy was true, God would have killed Ezekiel
False Prophecy #91 - Matthew 27:9-10
Matthew misquoted a prophecy and attributed it to the wrong prophet
False Prophecy #92 - Ezekiel 29:9-12
A prophecy abotu Egypt that is obviously false
False Prophecy #93 - Acts 2:16-21 and Joel 2:28-33
The Bible itself says that this will never happen
False Prophecy #94 - Malachi 3:1-4
At least 75% wrong
False Prophecy #95 - Malachi 4:5
Malachi's prediction is the exact opposite of Jesus' clear statements
False Prophecy #96 - Hosea 1:6
Hosea invalidates a prophecy made in Psalms
False Prophecy #97 - Hosea 13:16
God violated his own prediction about children, fetuses and embryos
False Prophecy #98 - Amos 8:9
Amos's supposed "prophecy" about the crucifixion is demonstrably bogus
False Prophecy #99 - Micah 3:11-12
Malachi's condemnation of preachers' pay is contradicted by many New Testament passages
False Prophecy #100 - 1 Peter 4:7
Arguably the most overworked prophecy in the Bible, and one of the most obvioiusly unfulfilled

 

[Grace Seeker]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

It can't be considered a race. Judaism is a religion, but also a nation.

Interesting. I thought that you might have said both. I recognize that Judaism is a religion. Still, certainly the Nazi attempt at genocide was tied to ethnicity, not religion. And many in Israel today are by their own admission purely secular humanists, yet still consider themselves Jews by birth, even if not by faith. And as I understand it, the "Right of Return" in Israel is for any person who can show themselves to be a Jew by ethnicity or conversion even though neither they nor their parents have ever actually practiced the Jewish faith, as long as they have not specifically converted to practice something other than Judaism.

And of course, that is quite aside from the views of Orthodox and Conservative Jews who hold that all the halakhic rules are still valid and binding.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

However, Ummah is not nation but ................... I don't know what is the right English word for Ummah, sorry.

Not said to be funny, but the original understanding of a catholic Church (small "c" on catholic meaning universal) and (large "C" on Church meaning body of Christ) so that it spoke of all who were a part of that faith community as being one regardless of clan, tribe, nation, or any other aspect of their background is really the closest thing I can think of to what I hear Muslims mean by the concept of the Ummah.

 

[Riana17]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

You are right Nation =/= Country.

However, Ummah is not nation but ................... I don't know what is the right English word for Ummah, sorry.

Salam

The Believers or Muslim World

The word Ummah comes from the Arabic amma which means "to go, betake, repair, go to see," Imama "to lead the way, lead by one's example (esp. in prayer)," umuma "to be or become a mother, to nationalize, etc." Also derived from this root is Umm which means "mother, source, origin, basis, foundation, original, original version (of a book), the gist, essence of…"

Thus Ummah means the nation, people, generation, community

To every ummah (was sent) a Messenger: when their Messenger comes (before them), the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged. (10:47)

Mankind was but one ummah, but differed (later). Had it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy Lord, their differences would have been settled between them. (10:19)

If Allah so willed, He could make you all one Ummah: but He leaves straying whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases: but you shall certainly be called to account for all your actions. (16:93)

And verily this Ummah of yours is One Ummah and I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore fear Me (and no other). (23:52)
Mankind was one single ummah. And Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace guided the Believers to the Truth, concerning what wherein they differed. For Allah guides whom He will to a path that is straight. (2:213)
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[ardianto]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Not said to be funny, but the original understanding of a catholic Church (small "c" on catholic meaning universal) and (large "C" on Church meaning body of Christ) so that it spoke of all who were a part of that faith community as being one regardless of clan, tribe, nation, or any other aspect of their background is really the closest thing I can think of to what I hear Muslims mean by the concept of the Ummah.

Faith community is ummah. But term ummah is also used for other purpose.

Salam

The Believers or Muslim World

The word Ummah comes from the Arabic amma which means "to go, betake, repair, go to see," Imama "to lead the way, lead by one's example (esp. in prayer)," umuma "to be or become a mother, to nationalize, etc." Also derived from this root is Umm which means "mother, source, origin, basis, foundation, original, original version (of a book), the gist, essence of…"

Thus Ummah means the nation, people, generation, community

Ummah is not nation or generation or community, although faith community is ummah.

But I begin to see 'light spot' from "umuma". There is a word in Malay language, "umum" it's means "Public". In example : Layanan Umum=Public Service, Taman Umum=Public Park.

 

[Trumble]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Judaism = religion.

Jew/jews = members of a particular 'race' or followers of Judaism, depending on context

Israel = nation state

Israeli = citizen of that nation state

 

[ardianto]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Judaism = religion.

Jew/jews = members of a particular 'race' or followers of Judaism, depending on context

That's in English language. But Arab have only one word for Judaism and for Jews, "Yahood".

So, Yahood in Arabic can refer to Judaism as religion, or to Jews as people. Depending on context.

 

[Predator]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Islam is actually Judaism made universal . The Jews had turned the religion into a racial religion and say that you need be born a Jew to be a Jew similar to the way .The same is case with the upper caste Hindu Brahmins where you need to be born a Brahmin family to be a one . They 're both birds of a feather flocking together.

 

[DippedinJannah]

Re: Are Jews and Judaism a race or a religion or both in your opinion in my opinion

Islam is actually Judaism made universal . The Jews had turned the religion into a racial religion and say that you need be born a Jew to be a Jew similar to the way .

In Jewish belief, there are the Jews and the Gentiles.

The Jews are either born that way or convert (though this is rare). They must follow the 613 mizvhot (commandments) that are laid out in the Torah.

Gentiles, on the other hand, are only required to follow the seven Noahide laws, which are in the Talmud. The Noahide laws are similar to the 10 Commandments, though simplified. Most of them are pretty obvious - no stealing, no murder, etc.

Yes, according to the Jews, it is easier to get to heaven as a gentile rather than as a Jew - 606 less commandments to follow! ;D

Jews consider all Muslims to be bound by the Noahide laws, which is fine - we do "follow" them without knowing we do so, as the Quranic commandments encompass them. Jews would also consider Christians as Noahides, though it depends on whether you think that is a polytheistic faith.

 

[truthseeker63]

Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son are there any Christians sects that believe he is human and not God don't many Liberal Christians deny that Jesus is God do all Christians and all of Christianity agree that Jesus is God or are there any sects of Christianity that disagree ?

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

Depending on the church they go/follow, christians' belief what jesus is greatly vary, and lies in the wide spectrum between:

Jesus = 100% God, 0% human -------- all the way to -------> Jesus = 100% human, 0% god

And there are thousands of combinations in between.

 

[brmm]

Re: Do all Christians believe Jesus is God and or God's Son

The most strange answer I have heard from some Christian was: Jesus was a human 100% but God ordered us to worship him and he mentioned the verse from the Bible were Jesus PBUH saved the people on the ship from sinking in the wild sea, because he prayed for them, were they prostrated for him.

The huge sad fact here which he missed and made him worship a human instead of his creator is: did God order them to prostrate to Jesus at that moment or they did it by their own wills ?!
I really don't know why he never asked himself this question !