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Re: Some Christians I talk to think Muslims worship ?

MustafaMc said:
Narrated 'Umar: I heard the Prophet saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praisd the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle." (Bukhari Book #55, Hadith #654)
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When prophet Jesus (pbuh) said the similar thing, claiming that he was only slave of Allah, the wicked scribes translated into greek as Jesus (pbuh) claiming he was son of Allah.
 
Re: Some Christians I talk to think Muslims worship ?

Is Jesus his English name ?

The proper name Jesus used in the English language originates from the Latin form of the Greek name Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous), a rendition of the Hebrew Yeshua (ישוע), also having the variants Joshua or Jeshua.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] In a religious context the name refers to Jesus, the central figure of Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_(name)
 
Re: Some Christians I talk to think Muslims worship ?

Most ignorant people I talk to tend to think that Muslims don't actually worship the prophets but give them divine status. Like they see them as superhuman and never did anything wrong in their lives. But we all know the prophets made mistakes just like any other human.
 
I dson't mean to ask a question that is disgusting but please don't trash this thread

What is sodomity according to Judaism Christianity and or Islam is sodomity anal sex or oral sex between two men or can it be anal sex between man and woman ? Im only asking this question because I

read about Lot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy
 
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Are Lesbians punished the sameway that Homosexual Men are punished for sodomity ?
 
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if they're caught I suspect the same punishment for pre-marital or extra-marital affairs would apply here.
Sodomy: Intercourse via the anus, committed by a man with a man or woman

2:222-------------------- And when they have purified themselves, then come to them from where Allah has ordained for you.

generally understood that anal intercourse even with your wife is forbidden..

I am NOT a scholar.. so you may wish to ask one..

& Allah swt knows best
 
Re: Some Christians I talk to think Muslims worship ?

Boaz said:
Most ignorant people I talk to tend to think that Muslims don't actually worship the prophets but give them divine status. Like they see them as superhuman and never did anything wrong in their lives. But we all know the prophets made mistakes just like any other human.
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From Wikipedia:

Worship is an act of religious devotion usually directed towards a deity. ... An act of worship may be performed individually, in an informal or formal group, or by a designated leader. Religious worship happens in a wide variety of locations: in purpose-built places of worship, at home or in the open. Many religious traditions place an emphasis upon regular worship at frequent intervals, often daily or weekly. Expressions of worship vary but typically include one or more of the following: Prayer, meditation, ritual, scripture, sacraments, sacrifice, sermons, chanting, music or devotional song, dance, religious holidays, festivals, pilgrimage, dining, fasting, temples or shrines, idols, or simply private individual acts of devotion.

I can't speak for all Muslims, but I have never met one who worshiped Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) according to the definition above or who thought he was Allah (subhana wa ta ala). We believe that he was a human with the highest and most noble character among men, but we also acknowledge that he was not above making minor mistakes. He was even corrected in the Quran for turning away from the blind man seeking guidance.

Quran 80:1-11 He frowned and turned away because the blind man came unto him. What could inform you but that he might grow (in grace) or take heed and so the reminder might avail him? As for him who thinks himself independent, Unto him you pay regard. Yet it is not your concern if he grows not (in grace). But as for him who came unto you with earnest purpose and has fear, from him you are distracted. Nay, but verily it is an admonishment.

Our acts of worship are devoted to none other than Allah (swt), but we hold Muhammad (saaws) in the highest esteem. We pattern our lives after his and strive to imitate his noble character. You may call this worship if you like, but having also been a Christian I know for a fact that Muslims don't deify Muhammad as the Christians have Jesus.
 
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15. If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.
16. If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
17. Allah accept the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards; to them will Allah turn in mercy: For Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.
18. Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until death faces one of them, and he says, "Now have I repented indeed;" nor of those who die rejecting Faith: for them have We prepared a punishment most grievous.
Quran 4:15-18

so we see that with women - four witnesses are a must (usually public lewdness) and probably also because the honour of women is often whacked just to revile them. (you know the words used to insult women - not the same as those used for men)
with men the burden of proof is a little less clear but since they're the bread-earners, they can't be confined 'til death. however, they are to be punished (probably flogged publicly), and then given the option of turning back.

And Allah knows best
 
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My post was deleted. I see freedom of speech is alive and well on this forum! :)
 
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abz2000 said:
so we see that with women - four witnesses are a must (usually public lewdness) and probably also because the honour of women is often whacked just to revile them. (you know the words used to insult women - not the same as those used for men)
with men the burden of proof is a little less clear but since they're the bread-earners, they can't be confined 'til death. however, they are to be punished (probably flogged publicly), and then given the option of turning back.
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What if the woman is a bread earner?
 
Re: Will Time Travel to the Past ever be possible why or why not ?

Yes, time travel to the past is possible. I do it every time I come in here.
 
Re: Will Time Travel to the Past ever be possible why or why not ?

_PakistaN_ said:
How exactly are you supposed to time travel anyways? How are you supposed to rewind the sun, the moon, planets, the solar system and the whole universe and there can be so much with which we don't know. And how exactly are you going to rewind everything? how are you going to rewind people? How are you going to rewind every atom?
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It's not about 'rewinding' the Universe. When you get on an airplane and travel to the other side of the world, you dpn't expect the earth to shift about, in order to put you at your next destination.
 
Re: Will Time Travel to the Past ever be possible why or why not ?

abz2000 said:
hell - these guys are funny.
they don't even know if there's life on mars and they're trying to convince us that they know a planet 72,000 years away is habitable
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It's one thing to say that a far away planet could possibly be potentially habitable due to it's make up and position relative to the nearest star... but quite another to say there is life on it. From the evidence it is possible to speculate that life may have once existed on Mars. That's not quite the same as knowing or not knowing if there is life present on Mars today.
 
Re: Will Time Travel to the Past ever be possible why or why not ?

abz2000 said:
it's a ridiculous notion - if you go back in time - there would be no such thing as the present as it is, and we live in the present.
if you meet someone and spend 5 minutes talking to them, they might not bump into their future spouse, and then total generations would take a different route - it's called the ripple effect.
if you broke someone's leg, they may not become the influential person they were due to a missed speech, and the whole world would be different in just a few generations.
and that would mean the present isn't the present.
the future is another thing,
Allah can get Gabriel (as) take people on a tour of paradise and even show them the condition of people of paradise and hell - and he also took them on (virtual) tours of the future, they gave us many prophecies and described the events in detail.
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This was along the lines of my thinking. If Allah SWT wanted us to be able to go back in the past and change things, then he would allow that for us. However, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of mektoub and knowing that He is the one that determines our future?
 
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R.M. Renfield said:
My post was deleted. I see freedom of speech is alive and well on this forum! :)
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Because I flagged it as inappropriate. You want to share your Lewed preferences do it on a porno forum with like minded individuals. People on this forum are fully evolved & civilized.
Beside th OP is interested in the Muslim response not what you like for an exit or an entrance!
 
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Women don't have the responsibility in Islam,Under an Islamic state, they were entitled to benefits if their men were absent or unable to provide for them.Not that they're forbidden from earning via lawful and just method
 
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The second method of proving the crime of sodomy is that four just witnesses see it being committed with their own eyes and testify in consonance. If the witnesses are less than four, the testimony is not accepted and the penalty for sodomy is withheld. If less than four people have seen this act, they should not testify. If they do so, they shall themselves become liable for the penalty of “qazaf”. This clause shall be elaborated later. If the guilty repents before the four witnesses testify, the penalty is not imposed and he is not killed. The confession or the testimony should be with regard to the penetration of the anus with the penis, only then the capital punishment is carried out. But if the two men cause ejaculation without penetrating the anus (by pressing the sexual organ between the thighs of another man or by rubbing with the buttocks), then the punishment is a hundred lashes for them.

http://www.*************/greater_sins_complete/16.htm
 
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truthseeker63 said:
If the guilty repents before the four witnesses testify, the penalty is not imposed and he is not killed. The confession or the testimony should be with regard to the penetration of the anus with the penis, only then the capital punishment is carried out. But if the two men cause ejaculation without penetrating the anus (by pressing the sexual organ between the thighs of another man or by rubbing with the buttocks), then the punishment is a hundred lashes for them.
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I realise the rules are there so that punishment is only for those who do it openly and without remorse... but it scares me that a situation like this would arise in society. If you've got 2 guys doing it in public then it's bad enough, but for 4 people to then sit there and watch so closely that they can tell if there was penetration or just rubbing between the buttocks is a whole new level. I usually look away if I see people making out.
Sorry if this comment offended anyone.

Btw is the one proven guilty definitely killed? (even if repentant?) Can someone confirm this?
 
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it happens on video with videos being sold to thousands, then they openly come out and promote them (a direct admission),
if that's not public, i don't know what is.
 
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Are Lesbians punished if they have oral sex in what way I just wanted to know if Lesbians are punished the sameway that Homosexual Men are ?
 

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