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The punishment for lesbianism

I know that homosexuality is haram, but I wanted to know
the punishment for it. I was told by a fellow sister that it is the same as if
someone committed zinah. The lashing if you are unmarried, and stoning if your
married. So which is correct for the punishment of this great sin?????.


Praise be to Allaah.
Lesbianism means a woman having sexual relations with another woman. This is undoubtedly haraam, and some scholars regard it as a major sin.​
See al-Zawaajir ‘an Iqtiraaf al-Kabaa’ir, no. 362. The imams are agreed that there is no hadd punishment for lesbianism because it is not zina (unlawful sexual intercourse), rather it is to be punished with a ta’zeer punishment in which the judge punishes the one who does that with a punishment which will deter her and others from doing this haraam action. It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (24/252):
The fuqaha’ are agreed that there is no hadd punishment for lesbianism, because it is not zina. Rather a ta’zeer punishment must be imposed, because it is a sin.​
Ibn Qudaamah said (9/59): If two women engage in lesbian sexual relations, then they are guilty of zina and are cursed, because it was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If a woman has sexual relations with another woman, then they are both guilty of zina.” There is no hadd punishment for them because they did not have intercourse, rather it is likened to intimate relations that are less than intercourse, and they are to be subjected to a ta’zeer punishment. It says in Tuhfat al-Muhtaaj, 9/105: There is no hadd punishment for a woman who has sexual relations with another woman, rather they should be punished with a ta’zeer punishment. Some people think that the punishment for lesbianism is the same as the punishment for zina, because of the hadeeth quoted by Ibn Qudaamah as referred to above.
This hadeeth was narrated by al-Bayhaqi from Abu Moosa (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If a man has sexual relations with another man, they are both guilty of zina, and if a woman has sexual relations with another woman they are both guilty of zina.”​
This hadeeth is da’eef (weak); it was classed as da’eef by al-Albaani in Da’eef al-Jaami’, 282. Al-Shawkaani said in Nayl al-Awtaar (7/287):
Its isnaad includes Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Rahmaan whom Abu Haatim described as kaadhib (a liar). Al-Bayhaqi said: I do not know him. So the hadeeth is munkar (rejected) with this isnaad. End quote.​
Even if the hadeeth were saheeh, it is to be understood as meaning that they are guilty of zina in the sense that they are sinning, not with regard to hadd punishment. This was the view of al-Sarkhasi in al-Mabsoot, 9/78. And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Every son of Adam has his share of zina. For the eyes may commit zina and their zina is looking; the hands may commit zina and their zina is touching; the feet may commit zina and their zina is walking; the mouth may commit zina and its zina is kissing. The heart desires and wishes and the private parts confirm that or deny it.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, Muslim, and Ahmad. This version narrated by Ahmad, 8321. And Allaah knows best. Secondly: The person who is faced with this problem has to hasten to repent to Allaah, and strive to treat this disease. Some of the ways of treating it are:
- Fearing Allaah and worshipping Him and loving Him sincerely, and being serious about that. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):​
“Thus it was, that We might turn away from him evil and illegal sexual intercourse. Surely, he was one of Our chosen, (guided) slaves”[Yoosuf 12:24]
- Lowering the gaze, for this is one of the most effective means of purifying the soul. So if a person sees something that attracts him, he should not look again. - Remembering the dead whose deeds have come to an end, so they are not able to wipe out their bad deeds or do more good deeds. - Keeping oneself busy with beneficial things. - Marriage, and hastening to get married if possible.​
Thirdly: Undoubtedly falling into sin and transgressing the sacred limits of Allaah are among the causes of the punishments that befall people en masse or individually. Punishment comes by the will of Allaah because of sin and affects a person in his religious commitment or in his spiritual or physical well-being. These punishments may come in this world, in the grave and in the Hereafter. Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: There are more than fifty types of effects of sin which are dealt with in detail in the book al-Daa’ wa’l-Dawaa’. When discussing the means of being patient in avoiding sin, in his book Tareeq al-Hijratayn, he mentioned that some of the effects of sin are: blackness of face and darkness in the heart; stress, worry, grief, anxiety and hardheartedness; being forsaken by Allaah, so He does not help or support one; sickness in the heart which, if chronic, leads to death, for sins inevitably deaden the heart. Another effect is humiliation after being honoured; feeling alienated after feeling at ease; feeling far away from Allaah after having found peace of mind in Him; poverty after richness, for he was rich and had capital, which is faith, then when he lost his capital he became poor and deprived, and he can only get that wealth back by repenting sincerely and striving hard; loss of provision, for a person is deprived of provision as a result of sins that he commits.A seal and stain on the heart, for when a person commits sin a black spot appears on his heart, but if he repents it disappears.Allaah, His angels and His slaves turn away from him, for when a person turns away from obedience to Allaah and becomes busy with sin, Allaah and His angels turn away from him. In conclusion, the effects of sin are many more than a person can grasp, and the effects of obedience are many more than a person can comprehend. The best of this world and the Hereafter are to be found in obeying Allaah and the worst of this world and the Hereafter are all to be found in disobeying Allaah. And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/21058
 
Re: I dson't mean to ask a question that is disgusting but please don't trash this th

I really think you'd have to ask a scholar on that one..
 
Re: I dson't mean to ask a question that is disgusting but please don't trash this th

Are Lesbians punished if they have oral sex in what way I just wanted to know if Lesbians are punished the sameway that Homosexual Men are ?

You don't need to worry about the details or types of act. Just the relationship itself and everything that comes within that relationship is haram. Unlike homosexuals, in Lesbianism there is no penetration so it considered only zina and as such scholars have said the punishment is that of a zina.

The imams are agreed that there is no hadd punishment for lesbianism because it is not zina (unlawful sexual intercourse), rather it is to be punished with a ta’zeer punishment in which the judge punishes the one who does that with a punishment which will deter her and others from doing this haraam action.

It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (24/252):
The fuqaha’ are agreed that there is no hadd punishment for lesbianism, because it is not zina. Rather a ta’zeer punishment must be imposed, because it is a sin.

Ibn Qudaamah said (9/59):
If two women engage in lesbian sexual relations, then they are guilty of zina and are cursed, because it was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If a woman has sexual relations with another woman, then they are both guilty of zina.” There is no hadd punishment for them because they did not have intercourse, rather it is likened to intimate relations that are less than intercourse, and they are to be subjected to a ta’zeer punishment.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/21058
 
Re: I dson't mean to ask a question that is disgusting but please don't trash this th

Yes it is Zina but are Lesbians to be put to death under Sharia like for sodomity Im not saying Lesbianism is good but I don't think it is as bad as male homosexuality.
 
Re: I dson't mean to ask a question that is disgusting but please don't trash this th

Yes it is Zina but are Lesbians to be put to death under Sharia like for sodomity Im not saying Lesbianism is good but I don't think it is as bad as male homosexuality.

Just told you, they get punishment of zina (70 lashes) because it's not serious as homosexuality (which involves sodomy).
 
Re: I dson't mean to ask a question that is disgusting but please don't trash this th

Ok thank you for your answer.
 
Re: I dson't mean to ask a question that is disgusting but please don't trash this th

Thought we'd end this thread on a good note & also because I just learned this and wanted to pass it around:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas (Radi-Allahu 'anhu):

The Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) said, "If anyone of you, when
intending to have a sexual intercourse with his wife, says: 'Bismillah,
Allahumma jannibna-sh-shaitan, wa jannibi-sh-shaitan ma razaqtana,' and if
the couple are destined to have a child (out of that very sexual relation),
then Satan will never be able to harm that child."

Bukhari Vol. 8 : No. 397
 
Re: Will Time Travel to the Past ever be possible why or why not ?

If time travel was possible, wouldn't people be coming from the future to tell us about it :P
 
According to Islam did King Solomon build a Holy Mosque in Jerusalem ?

According to Islam did King Solomon build a Holy Mosque in Jerusalem ? Who built the farthest Mosque in Jerusalem ?

[h=2]The Mosque in Jerusalem[/h]Muslims believe that Masjid al Aqsa (the Holy Mosque in Jerusalem) was rebuilt or expanded by King Solomon. According to Islamic history, Prophet Jacob, built Masjid al Aqsa approximately 40 years after his grandfather Prophet Abraham built the House of God in Mecca. Islam totally rejects the notion that King Solomon built a temple on the Masjid al Aqsa site, and herein lays one of the basic differences between Jewish and Islamic belief. It is what causes some of the dilemmas that exist in the Holy Land today. Although a Prophet in all three monotheistic religions, small differences about the nature and history of Solomon have, over time, created great divides.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/2501/

Surat Al-'Isrā' (The Night Journey) - سورة الإسراء


Sahih International
Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al- Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.



http://quran.com/search?q=+Mosque+&page=2
http://quran.com/17/1

... 10, Page 204] Who took His slave (Muhammad SAW) for a journey by night from Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) to the farthest mosque (in Jerusalem), the neighborhood whereof We have blessed, in order that We might show him (Muhammad SAW) of Our Ayat (proofs, ...
 
Re: Will Time Travel to the Past ever be possible why or why not ?

If time travel was possible, wouldn't people be coming from the future to tell us about it :P
once they come back their concerns are completely focused on their doppelganger that almost all of them end up on the psych ward with delusions of persecution and the other ten percent prefer the future..
 
What do you think of the idea of comparing the Trinity to a shamrock and or a triangle since these are 3 in 1 ? Aldo in Islam is God a personal being meaning God has a mind and also since God is a personal being and the Trinity has 3 persons would this then mean that the 3 personal beings are 3 gods thanks is a reason as to why Jesus can't perfect God and perect man/human at the sametime is because this would be a contradiction and God does not contradict himdself it is not in his nature does the Holy Quran and or the Hadith say God does not contradict himself ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contradiction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamrock

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle
 
That question is better suited for Christians. We Muslims never believed in trinity and hence don't even consider it worth comparing it to shamrock or clover leaf. I forgot the botanical term for those leaves that are parted in 3, 4, 5 and even 10. There are leaves that even have 10 divisions then should we also evaluate 10 God theory of some other religion with those leaves?
 
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As some of you may know I have Asperger's syndrome and I am viewed as disabled by the state anyway I live with my family/parents I am planning on moving out to an apartment/flat as it is called in the UK I will try to live on my own after the Holidays the only reason I am posting this is because I would like to ask the people here to pray fo me that I won't fail trying to live on my own I will get money from SSI to help me pay rent anyway my family thinks I want to be a Muslim and convert/revert to Islam to rebel or something I am 24 years old and I think I should have the right to choose my own religion/way of life I also just want indepence in my life one reason as to why I have depression is because I live with my family I think Islam is the most beautiful religion. Here is my favorite website.

http://www.islamreligion.com/
 

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