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Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Claiming that there is no such thing as race is about as ridiculous as claiming there is no difference between hot and cold and night and day. I am a staunch believer of polygenism, which posits that not only are there races, but these different races are actually different free-standing species of completely separate origin. The doctrine of polygenism, at least for me, qualifies as the most plausable and logical conclusion of all. Today's global populations of hominids, while they might all belong to the same GENUS, are nonetheless different species, subdivided down MUCH further still than "European", "Asian" and "African". There are many species within each geographic block.

There are MANY instances of fertile hybrids. Take for example the canids. Fertile canid hybrids occur between coyotes, wolves, dingoes, jackals and domestic dogs.

You are wrong that Ligers are infertile. For example one was known about in the Munich Hellabrunn Zoo. Fertile hybrids also occurs across many species of mammal, fish and plantlife, everything from Orca to Orchid.

From my good experience, the people who most commonly peddle monogenism are Marxists, cultural-imperialist social-engineers, and those who are simply ashamed that they are miscegenated and feel envious of those of pure race.

A single species of animal should LOOK basically the same, but hominids of the world look PROFOUNDLY different in both proportion and size. Even their maturity rates differ astonishingly. It's more these factors that are the important markers in distinguishing races, rather than the superficiality of skin colour.

If you however wish to continue to peddle your popularist politically correct monogenist lunacy, feel free to continue. Just don't you dare appropriate ME as being one of your species. Abide by that small request and I'll be happy enough.
 
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Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

It's quite dissapointing that such a discussion is in an Islamic board
Bro Karl what's your point? What do you mean they are envious of people "Pure" race, What rubbish are you uttering?
Since when does it matter what race is? If you're a Muslim with all your race theories you're denying that we all came from Adam and Eve One source. Why is race such an issue? We are all the same and we are all equal in the eyes of God Almighty.
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Yes we are all equal under God, the wrath of God does not discriminate between the evil and the innocent' animals and plants even stars and worlds destroyed.
The Adam and Eve Bible story? I regard that as a metaphorical story. Sorry I cannot believe in that literally. Otherwise we would all be the products of incest and the Jews would not think they are to be given their promised land. You must remember the Bible is centred around the Semites dominion not the entire world. Adam means earth in Hebrew in the Quran Allah creates Man from black clay the Greeks used the word carbon. So that is true we are made of mainly carbon.
This idea that everyone is the same species is as absurd as like saying all the fish in the sea are the same species. I think it is just a United Nations, New World Order agenda.
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

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Just curious. What is your opinion of the Adam and Eve as stated in the Holy Quran?
I consider it metaphorical not literal detailed scientific data. You have to remember the Quran is for the common people not intended to be a science textbook for a super genius. The Quran does not focus on the ancient past but on how to live in the present.
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

You have to remember the Quran is for the common people not intended to be a science textbook for a super genius.

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Am I to understand that you do not consider yourself to be a member of the common people?
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

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Am I to understand that you do not consider yourself to be a member of the common people?

I am not a noble so I am a common person. I am a free thinker so I am prone to analyse things deeper than the mob would.
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Hints of elitism in a thread about race.

This will not end well.

Let's stick to the points the original poster made, rather than getting sidetracked.

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full Knowledge and is well-acquainted (with all things)." (Surah 49, Verse 13).
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Hints of elitism in a thread about race.

This will not end well.

Let's stick to the points the original poster made, rather than getting sidetracked.

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full Knowledge and is well-acquainted (with all things)." (Surah 49, Verse 13).

I suppose there are strengths in races for example a flat faced Mongolian is master of the ice, a tall skinny Somalian is master of the blistering heat, Whites do well in temperate conditions. The only myth is the "Master race". I hope this lowers your paranoia about elitism.
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

There are MANY instances of fertile hybrids. Take for example the canids. Fertile canid hybrids occur between coyotes, wolves, dingoes, jackals and domestic dogs.

You are wrong that Ligers are infertile. For example one was known about in the Munich Hellabrunn Zoo. Fertile hybrids also occurs across many species of mammal, fish and plantlife, everything from Orca to Orchid.

[citation needed]
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full Knowledge and is well-acquainted (with all things)." (Surah 49, Verse 13).

Absolutely, hurray! :statisfie
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other..."

This shouldn't be taken out of context though. "Mankind" in the days when the quran was written only applied to peoples of the immediate area and neighbouring territories. That's what "all mankind" WAS to them. The Hebrews regarded "mankind" in the same way. They had no idea that other species of humans existed across other continents, let alone trying to appropriate them as their own. It's just utterly ludicrous to think the whole PLANET of hominids originated from one pair of Hebrews. I mean, if this ludicrous idea WAS hypothically true then there wouldn't be any such thing as "racism" for a start!!
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

[citation needed]

I haven't got time to do all the work for you. If you are interested enough in this subject just google it. There is PLENTY of information on it. Here's just one place for a starting point:

A false killer whale and a bottlenose dolphin mated in captivity and produced a fertile calf.[3] The hybrid offspring has been called a "wholphin"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_killer_whale
 
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Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

It's just utterly ludicrous to think the whole PLANET of hominids originated from one pair of Hebrews

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Please elaborate on your statement so that there will be no misunderstanding about your actual meaning.
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Please elaborate on your statement so that there will be no misunderstanding about your actual meaning.
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Ask him too, what's he means with "one pair of Hebrew" ?
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Ask him too, what's he means with "one pair of Hebrew" ?

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I am assuming that he means Adam and Eve but I may be wrong. Let's wait for him to clarify, assuming he has not gone M.I.A.
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

I suppose there are strengths in races for example a flat faced Mongolian is master of the ice, a tall skinny Somalian is master of the blistering heat, Whites do well in temperate conditions. The only myth is the "Master race". I hope this lowers your paranoia about elitism

Stop this please, you're actually hurting many people's feelings with your comments and they're not any intelligent than you would think , you're deceiving your self by classifying people into 'species' because we're all human beings and there's a difference. Why do you insult people? what's wrong with being Mongolian or Somalian?? Nothing, The only problems is in the way you percieve things and you're erronous analysis of this world.



"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other..."

This shouldn't be taken out of context though. "Mankind" in the days when the quran was written only applied to peoples of the immediate area and neighbouring territories. That's what "all mankind" WAS to them. The Hebrews regarded "mankind" in the same way. They had no idea that other species of humans existed across other continents, let alone trying to appropriate them as their own. It's just utterly ludicrous to think the whole PLANET of hominids originated from one pair of Hebrews. I mean, if this ludicrous idea WAS hypothically true then there wouldn't be any such thing as "racism" for a start!!
This is not correct, first of all you've got to understand that in the Qura'n there is no metaphorical phases.
It's clear we are all created from Adam and Eve, and who said the Quran was revealed to Hebrews?? You get your information from the Bible and the Quran and the Bible are different in explaining facts of history, Give me one verse in the Quran that says people were created from one pair of Hebrews , Where please? What on earth!

Here this a Verse for you:
22. And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge.
The Quran Surah:AR-Rom.

27. See you not that Allâh sends down water (rain) from the sky, and We produce therewith fruits of varying colours, and among the mountains are streaks white and red, of varying colours and (others) very black.28. And of men and Ad*Dawâb (moving living creatures, beasts, etc.), and cattle, in like manner of various colours. It is only those who have knowledge among His slaves that fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is All*-Mighty, Oft*-Forgiving.

Adam and Eve are not Hebrew, ( Again you probably got that from the Bible) They are the first Humans on earth so they don't belong to any ethnic group the were created from clay.

Peace.
 
Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

Karl said:
I suppose there are strengths in races for example a flat faced Mongolian is master of the ice, a tall skinny Somalian is master of the blistering heat, Whites do well in temperate conditions. The only myth is the "Master race".
I see the points you're making about different ethnicities in different climates. I don't see the point of the highlighted derogatory comments.

I hope this lowers your paranoia about elitism.
Perhaps if your posts were more tactful, I would be less paranoid.

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other..."

This shouldn't be taken out of context though. "Mankind" in the days when the quran was written only applied to peoples of the immediate area and neighbouring territories.
So that's, what, Arabs, Jews, (both groups are Semites, but whatever), Ethiopians, at least. According to the logic you have used earlier in the thread, Arabs, Jews and Ethiopians would be members of separate species, correct? I'm not sure where you're going with this. You can't seriously be suggesting that the people of the Middle East at the time the Quran was revealed were completely unaware of non-Middle Eastern peoples?

More to the point, surely you're not suggesting that this aspect of the Quran should be ignored due to semantics?
 
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Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y

I don't know why people are getting so heated about this, people used to believe the world was flat, well that's true if you live in a flat country and your world appears flat. Islam is a religion not a science, it is not wise to take it word for word or your faith will be eroded away by the discoveries of science. You don't want to end up like some mad Christian fundamentalist that thinks God made fossils to test his faith.
 
Homosexuality and Adultery and or People who Steal do all these people get death or g

Homosexuality and Adultery and or People who Steal do all these people get death or get their hand cut off under the Sharia what if they repent and never do it again would it be moral for these kinds of people to just commit suicide since they would die anyway Im not any of these things by the way Im just wondering ?
 

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