Re: I know humans don't all look the same but could race just be a myth people 1000 y
Stop this please, you're actually hurting many people's feelings with your comments and they're not any intelligent than you would think , you're deceiving your self by classifying people into 'species' because we're all human beings and there's a difference. Why do you insult people? what's wrong with being Mongolian or Somalian?? Nothing, The only problems is in the way you percieve things and you're erronous analysis of this world.
I'm not saying anything openly offensive, therefore anyone who feels offended should just grow some thicker skin! I'm NOT decieving myself about species. Yes we might be all "humans", but (as far as I'm concerned) nonetheless different species of humans, just as there are also huge numbers of fish species. It's so obvious. My inexorable subscription to polygenism is merely a recognition of DIFFERENCE, rather than an intention of HIERARCHY or RACIAL SUPREMACY. This is NOT what I am about. In fact I oppose it, and I regard my polygenist beliefs as a call for different human species to give each other more respect than they do. A lot of the problem with monogenist thinking is that it creates more intolerance towards different human species who prefer to stay isolationist and don't want a bar of modern Western hegemony. In many ways, monogenist mentality leads to a lot of intolerance because the attitude is saying "hey you are one of our species, therefore the ideas we want to globally enforce must ALSO be good for YOU too." This is the arrogant mentality many monogenists have. Marxists (The United Nations etc) are also monogenists, and this is largely why most of them have a flagrant disregard for racial sovereignty.
Don't let your mind get clouded by politically correct over-sensitivity regarding race. WHY do you get the idea that I had intention to "insult" Mongolians and Somalians??? I just said they are DIFFERENT? I NEVER said there was anything "wrong" with them. I actually feel quite insulted that you would think I MEANT that. DON'T READ THINGS INTO MY STATEMENTS THAT I DON'T EVEN SAY. There was nothing intended to be disparaging about those comments I made. It is a plain scientific fact that many oriental races have "flat" type faces. Look it up, and you will find this description in many common text books!
This is not correct, first of all you've got to understand that in the Qura'n there is no metaphorical phases.
Rubbish. Take for example "Life is a Journey". Literally, life DOESN'T travel. The quran has many metaphores and parables. Take a look here for a starting point:
http://www.harunyahya.com/generalknowledge11.php
It's clear we are all created from Adam and Eve,
I wasn't, not at least from the Adam and Eve of West Asia. I'm not a semite. That doesn't mean to say that I can't be a Muslim though. Every animal capable of sentience and able to comprehend Allah should also be allowed to be a Muslim. I subscribe to the concept that there was an infinite number of Garden of Edens and many Adams. This is the only plausable way I am able to make sense of it. For an introduction to polygenism here's a starting point:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygenism
and who said the Quran was revealed to Hebrews?? You get your information from the Bible and the Quran and the Bible are different in explaining facts of history, Give me one verse in the Quran that says people were created from one pair of Hebrews , Where please? What on earth!
Ok let's use "semite" then if that makes you happy. Both Jews and Arabs are semites. Someone else's earlier retort against me, him claiming that Norsemen are the "same species" as pygmies (lol), certainly would, to say the least, offend the pygmies, given that pygmies have declared themelves as separate species from other hominids (they are also polygenists).
22. And among His signsis the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge.
Still doesn't prove that the heavens and the earth extended beyond the heavens and the earth KNOWN to Muhammed (PBUH) at that time. Remember also that West Asia had a HUGE variety of languages across that whole region, and there was still differences of skin colour as well. Take for example in India, even though they are all dark races there (from a westerner's perspective) the Indians themselves nonetheless have at least 8 or 10 official gradiants of skin colour ranging from "fair" right up to very dark, even though THEIR "fair" is still regarded as dark (or at least coloured) in the West.
I see the points you're making about different ethnicities in different climates. I don't see the point of the highlighted derogatory comments.
Again, they are NOT derogatory. Science books will even make these kind of physical descriptions. I think some of you people are a bit too political correct and racially ultra-sensitive to any comments regarding race. I'm a Germanic race, I am of a big, sturdy combat race. But do you think I'm going to get all pc and racially over-sensitive if you call me a big fat Germanic?? Of course not! My skin is too thick to be offended by such trivial little things.
Perhaps if your posts were more tactful, I would be less paranoid.
Look, I'm no Shakespeare, the English language is definitely not my forte. I try to be about as tactful as I can. I don't think it's being offensive by saying that Orientals are flat faced; and generally, Indians, Australian Aborigines and Somalians are dark and skinny, and generally Germanics are pink coloured combat races (hence why they are BIG).
So that's, what, Arabs, Jews, (both groups are Semites, but whatever), Ethiopians, at least. According to the logic you have used earlier in the thread, Arabs, Jews and Ethiopians would be members of separate species, correct? I'm not sure where you're going with this. You can't seriously be suggesting that the people of the Middle East at the time the Quran was revealed were completely unaware of non-Middle Eastern peoples?
The Adam and Eve story is very ancient and I don't want to go deeply into it, but my guess is that Muhammed (PBUH) didn't want to be too radical on redefining Adam and Eve. Almost certainly by his time they would have knowledge of more races, compared to thousands of years before, but I feel utterly convinced that the quran's perspective of "mankind" was FAR from a literally GLOBAL perspective. I don't know enough about Arabs and Jews and Ethiopians so I wouldn't also like to comment too much on their racial similarities (or dissimilaries). In any case, certainly many Muslims from centuries after the quran was written didn't view things the way you do, otherwise they certainly wouldn't have engaged in the slave trade down in Africa, would they?
