Turkey protesters hold Istanbul square after days of violent clashes

[Independent]

The govt. has every right to intervene to to protect its citizens from mobsters

The numbers are far too large to dismiss as mobsters. You are a politcal/religious racist - anyone who doesn't fit the right colour of religion, you despise. There is no possible mechanism for some mysterious conspirator to galvanise tens of thousands of people for this protest. And it's utterly ridiculous that anyone would chose the cutting down of some trees as the issue to start a rebellion.

It's a bizarre protest all right, but it is genuine enough. This is a case where truth is stranger than fiction. Disappointingly, Erdogan has taken the Mubarack/Assad/Gaddafi route and blamed 'foreign' influences. But it's not clear he is referring to the west (if he's referring to anyone real at all). His main enemies are other Muslims.

Turkey has a parliament

Yes it does and it is to be admired as a proper functioning parliament that is rare in the Muslim world. That's why it's worrying that Erdogan wants to emasculate it and set himself up as President. In the exact reversal of an ideal Islamic leader (who doesn't look for power but is asked to take it) Erdogan is changing the constitution for the sole purpose of prolonging his own, personal power. The company that is to develop and profit from Taksim Square has links to the AKP.

a stupid ploy not unlike those mentioned in the protocols

I'd like to think that most people don't realise that here she is referring to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which ranks alongside Mein Kampf as one the most evil books in history - and which was indeed a particular favourite of Adolf himself. He got some of his best ideas from reading it.

The Protocols was long ago exposed as a childish fraud - that of a child of the Devil. It claims to be a record of a conference of evil Jews in the early 20th century. In fact it is blatantly plagiarised from other books including one written many decades earlier. It is absolutely impossible for it to be what it says it is. This book is practically the definition of anti semiticism. Unbelievable that in 2013 we should still have to talk about this pathetic, vicious fraud that directly contributed to the gas chambers.

 

[جوري]

The numbers are far too large to dismiss as mobsters. You are a politcal/religious racist - anyone who doesn't fit the right colour of religion, you despise. There is no possible mechanism for some mysterious conspirator to galvanise tens of thousands of people for this protest. And it's utterly ridiculous that anyone would chose the cutting down of some trees as the issue to start a rebellion.

It's a bizarre protest all right, but it is genuine enough. This is a case where truth is stranger than fiction. Disappointingly, Erdogan has taken the Mubarack/Assad/Gaddafi route and blamed 'foreign' influences. But it's not clear he is referring to the west (if he's referring to anyone real at all). His main enemies are other Muslims.

yes I've seen the numbers courtesy of CNN!
I don't particularly care for your classification of my person!
as for foreign influences.. this entire scenario is played out in the protocols of zion yeah 'fiction' imitating life to a T.
Muslims don't loot mosques and drink liquor inside.

I can't bring myself to respond to so much drivel. Do you need so much padding to make so many non statements?

 

[جوري]

The whole gas chamber shbeal has no effect on me whatsoever we've played the anti Semitic card long enough it would actually pay if you look for its definition in the dictionary as I am bored of your platitudes - they're plowing Palestinians as we speak from their homes and I am to feel bad for a European caused problem some 60 yrs ago which an entire country Is paying for by sweat blood and tears and the rest of us via taxation!

 

[Independent]

The whole gas chamber shbeal has no effect on me whatsoever

Why would it? You share the same ideology.

At least Goebbels was honest enough to admit that The Protocols was a fake - although a very useful fake if killing Jews is your ideology. Or what was it you called them before? 'Jewey-Jewey McJews'? But Goebbels is dead and he can spread no more evil fictions - unlike yourself.

 

[جوري]

Why would it? You share the same ideology.

Rather the ideology is alive and well via today's zionists and in lieu of a five year holocaust from which many non Jews suffered it is a continual 60+ year humiliation torture, murder, displacement and vilification!

At least Goebbels was honest enough to admit that The Protocols was a fake - although a very useful fake if killing Jews is your ideology. Or what was it you called them before? 'Jewey-Jewey McJews'? But Goebbels is dead and he can spread no more evil fictions - unlike yourself.

even if it were fiction they're carrying the fiction out rather well!
Does your insistence on its fictionality make the events taking place any less a fact?

 

[Independent]

even if it were fiction they're carrying the fiction out rather well

The authors worked out what anti semites would like to hear - what would fit all their prejudices and bigotry - and then they wrote something that miraculously seemed to fit. What a surprise.

It fits the bigot's view because that's what it was written for.

 

[جوري]

The authors worked out what anti semites would like to hear - what would fit all their prejudices and bigotry - and then they wrote something that miraculously seemed to fit. What a surprise.

As stated prior even if fictional does it change the fact that what's written is carried out to a t?
Murderers can copy fictional books what's your point?
They've themselves admitted to it in the book 'An empire of their own' guess they were self hating and not truthful there either?


Best,

 

[Independent]

As stated prior even if fictional does it change the fact that what's written is carried out to a t?

Yes it does make a difference because this book is an account of conference that's supposed to justify the whole Zionist conspiracy. It's supposed to be the proof, the moment when the Jews planned their world domination strategy. But it's a fake, and most of it was written as a critique of Napoleon III's government in France, many decades earlier. The source book wasn't even about the Jews, it was about Napoleon III. So if you think it's an amazing prediction of reality, that just shows how very far from reality is the place you inhabit.

 

[جوري]

Yes it does make a difference because this book is an account of conference that's supposed to justify the whole Zionist conspiracy. It's supposed to be the proof, the moment when the Jews planned their world domination strategy. But it's a fake, and most of it was written as a critique of Napoleon III's government in France, many decades earlier. The source book wasn't even about the Jews, it was about Napoleon III. So if you think it's an amazing prediction of reality, that just shows how very far from reality is the place you inhabit.

as stated prior and repeatedly life here is imitating 'fictional art' so in fact and in spite of the tantrums what's written 'bigotry or not is what's taking place!
Anyone is free to read it do a little compare contrast!


Best,

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Muslims don't loot mosques and drink liquor inside.

Man, the Turkish police is very kind hearted...if I was there I would have shoved those liquor bottles up their asses...secularist scum..

I usually don't have a problem with secularists but these *******s support a kind of secularism which has a very heavy Ataturkish slant on it in which Muslims are not allowed to enter universities just because they are wearing a Hijab. These scum would support military takeovers just to shove their secularism down other people's throats...

Also read somewhere that the military was able to stay secular because they would purge out military personnel who had mosque going relatives... I usually blame Islamists for their shortcomings most of the time but these secularist scum are of a special kind, have none of my sympathy...

 

[جوري]

The whole thing is a scam- I am having computer troubles but have an incredible political analysis of what's going on in the entire region- it's a fire ignited to eat us from within and then the 'good guys' come in like a deus ex machina to save the day err loot the day instate same regime that has served them well for decades while changing faces perhaps - same scum is cycling through the ME. Does anyone ever wonder what McCain et al are doing there in Egypt, Syria, Turkey etc?
This time it will blow in their face though in a really huge way :ia:

 

[جوري]

Erdogan should deal with the protesters the same way the U.S dealt with 'occupy Wall Street' they reduced them to a laughing stock slapped them with citations arrested them you name it!

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Erdogan should deal with the protesters the same way the U.S dealt with 'occupy Wall Street' they reduced them to a laughing stock slapped them with citations arrested them you name it!

Exactly....I usually don't have a problem with secularists but these *******s support a kind of secularism which has a very heavy Ataturkish slant on it in which Muslims are not allowed to enter universities just because they are wearing a Hijab. These scum would support military takeovers just to shove their secularism down other people's throats...

Also read somewhere that the military was able to stay secular because they would purge out military personnel who had mosque going relatives... I usually blame Islamists for their shortcomings, but these secularist scum are of a special kind, have none of my sympathy...

 

[Ali_008]

everyone

I'm least surprised to see this uprising in Turkey. I had the good fortune of visiting Istanbul in 2008, I was there only for a couple of days as it was a transit, but it was enough to understand what was going on over there. In Turkey, or particularly Istanbul, you won't find a moderate Muslim. People over there live on extremes. Either you will find a family where the man has a lengthy beard, trousers only till the ankles, a skullcap on, and all the air of a practicing Muslim, or you will find people resembling Lady Gaga with their flashy clothes, a cigarette in one hand and beer in another, tattoos stretching out from under both sleeves, and women walking in bikini tops, and such. My eyes popped upon seeing all that, mostly because it is so evident there are sides already over there. I didn't see a single person who wasn't showing off which side he/she chose.

It was a transit for Switzerland, and when I finally reached there, I found that the hotel manager over there was from Pakistan. I spoke to him about what I saw in Turkey. He was pretty surprised that I expected Turkey to be an Islamic country, because according to him "There are 3 things Turkey is known for: Hagia Sophia, baklava, and strip clubs."

This revolution will get a lot more attention than any other going on in any other Muslim country, because it directly profits the west's interests. Eventually, all of us will just have to wait and see, and undeniably, Obama will come with his Oscar worthy speech. Seriously, I think being an American president requires great acting skills as well. Where I live, our Prime Minister is such an innocent looking man that if he declares war against some country some day, nobody's going to take him seriously. Watching his speeches is like watching paint dry whereas when I see Obama giving a speech, I have to recheck that I'm not watching some movie with an Obama lookalike, by mistake.

 

[جوري]

I too have been to turkey and concur with your statement - I was with my parents and we stayed in a great hotel everyone was conservative but when I turned on the TV I was astounded by the open porn midday- U.S itself when it comes to basic channels is very conservative so I was dumbfounded and turned it off before anyone else had a look it was a dichotomy half of it reminded me of Egypt and the other half of Greece and they were side by side!

Make no mistake the entire Muslim region is of western interest primarily because of the colonial settler cockroach state of Israel and of course it doesn't hurt to loot us and keep us divided while at it.

I do believe :ia: that khilafah is coming and will start in Syria or bilaad ashaam in general ad that is where Jesus pbuh is meant to descend and all the change that's happening is in concept with the noble verses on the schism that will cause the great divide - and it's not very difficult to see now who belongs where!

 

[faithandpeace]

Originally Posted by جوري The whole gas chamber shbeal has no effect on me whatsoever

Why would it? You share the same ideology.

You are accusing her of being a Nazi and supporting genocide? Why don't you get off of this discussion board and go somewhere else. You are anti-Islamic anyway.

 

[جوري]

You are accusing her of being a Nazi and supporting genocide? Why don't you get off of this discussion board and go somewhere else. You are anti-Islamic anyway.

Sadly that Was before the edit too -- it is ok for him to be islamophobic, that's en vogue!! -- what he concocts though should rattle the Universe per his standards!

 

[جوري]

The Turkish protests cost the Turkish govt. between 30-50 billion- very well played, very very well played.

 

[observer]

The Turkish protests cost the Turkish govt. between 30-50 billion- very well played, very very well played.

I'm not sure who you think this benefits?

 

[جوري]

Those who've a vested interest in seeing a strong model for an Islamic country with a stable economy collapse!

أضع النقط على الحروف as we say in Arabic!

I am not aggrieved by your beliefs or the other fellow's petty attempts - my interest is for Muslims to collectively wake up and show some solidarity and make a strong stand!

Best,