US Attacks syria

[crayon]

WASHINGTON — The Syrian cabinet decided on Tuesday to close the American School and an American cultural center in Damascus, the capital, after a raid into Syria on Sunday by United States Special Operations forces, the official SANA news agency said.



The decision was the first retaliation against the United States by Syria, which has accused it of “terrorist aggression” in the raid.
Syria said eight civilians were killed in the attack. But American officials said the raid by American helicopter-borne forces killed an Iraqi militant responsible for running weapons, money and foreign fighters across the border into Iraq, and that all the people killed in the assault were militants.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/world/middleeast/29syria.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

 

[Izyan]

you keep saying Muslim this Muslim that as if to assume that the Jews can give up land, many Jews thanks to the book you call 'Holy' believe the whole land is theirs, and more should be taken as well for the vision of greater Israel.

you are a Christian, it is a part of your racist bigoted view that the land only belongs to the Jews and the others there are inferior people to the chosen ones, and that eventually Jesus will come back and save Israel and destroy all the others.

so why dont you mention these facts as well instead of comming here acting like an angel and that it is only Muslims who are not allowed to do this or that.

Ha ha ha ha. I can't breathe. This must be torture cause I'm dying. I'm coming to see you Elizabeth.

 

[Anette]

The problem began when USA politician decided to went to "war against terrorism". It is equivalent with not listen to UN and move the target when the politician decide to do so and also to arbitrary take the role of a global conscience, independent of how many countries they will invade.

My thoughts go to the familys that suffers.

 

[Izyan]

The problem began when USA politician decided to went to "war against terrorism". It is equivalent with not listen to UN and move the target when the politician decide to do so and also to arbitrary take the role of a global conscience, independent of how many countries they will invade.

My thoughts go to the familys that suffers.

I say we bring all troops home from everywhere it's not our problem. North Korea said today they wanted to reduce South Korea to ruble. Not our problem. Genocide in Dafur? Not our problem.

 

[Muezzin]

Guys, I know that somehow Israel and Palestine is connected to just about every World Affairs topic posted, but it would be really nice if we could localise this one to the attack at hand.

Translation: From this point, off-topic posts will be deleted.

 

[barney]

It looks like the 140000 year old habit of tribal type war is back with us after a 80 year holiday.
The people who used to cross the border , steal the cattle then sneak back and blame it on bandits are back in the form of people who cross the border blow up a bus and shrug their shoulders when confronted by it.

The US however IMO simply cant go crossing borders like that. Mine the whole border, if the iraqi's want to. Really It is up to the Iraqi Govenment on how they want to deal with this. I wonder if this cross border raid had their support.

CBA reading the whole thread, but I assume that its been pointed out that the US claims they killed Abu Ghadiya in the attack.

Another point is they put boots on the ground so that the dead people were the insurgants rather than civilians being killed by a bomb launched 70 miles away.

 

[Keltoi]

The US however IMO simply cant go crossing borders like that. Mine the whole border, if the iraqi's want to. Really It is up to the Iraqi Govenment on how they want to deal with this. I wonder if this cross border raid had their support.

Actually the Iraqi government did support it. They sent a response to Syria stating that the attack was against insurgents who have been crossing the border to inflict harm on the Iraqi people and destabilize the government.

 

[barney]

Actually the Iraqi government did support it. They sent a response to Syria stating that the attack was against insurgents who have been crossing the border to inflict harm on the Iraqi people and destabilize the government.

OK , well thats still provocative. When fighting evil, you have to fight with both hands tied behind your back.

If anyone wants me to clarify "Evil" i'm happy to do so.

 

[wth1257]

Yeah, you're right. The brave freedom fighters stand out in the desert and face U.S. forces in righteous conventional warfare far from civilian cover. My bad.

I will never condone useing civilian as human shields however lets not pretend that would be a fair fight

 

[seeker-of-light]

it is the leaders of america who are the fools not the people. the average american either disapproves of usa action taken in muslim countries or they are uneducated as to what is really happening and so just listen to the political leaders and what they say.

 

[The_Prince]

Ha ha ha ha. I can't breathe. This must be torture cause I'm dying. I'm coming to see you Elizabeth.

laugh all you want the facts remain and everything i said is true, as they say truth hurts.

so again, instead of point fingers at what Muslims can do or not, go look at your own Jewish 'chosen' people and your fellow evangelical Christians.

 

[Keltoi]

I will never condone useing civilian as human shields however lets not pretend that would be a fair fight

A fair fight? No However, if you choose to fight you choose the strategy. The strategy of the insurgents is to concentrate on those they can kill, meaning those that can't fight back. Morality in war is sometimes an abstract concept, but I would hope we could agree that if a faction decides to wage war they will do so in a way that intends to limit civilian death, not focus on it.

 

[Keltoi]

OK , well thats still provocative. When fighting evil, you have to fight with both hands tied behind your back.

If anyone wants me to clarify "Evil" i'm happy to do so.

I agree with you. There is a line that civilized nations should not cross, even if the goal is to fight evil. There is a famous quote from someone I can't recall which stated that if all good people got together and decided to kill all the evil people there would be nobody left. (that is a butchering of the quote, but that is the gist of it)

 

[coddles76]

Yeah, you're right. The brave freedom fighters stand out in the desert and face U.S. forces in righteous conventional warfare far from civilian cover. My bad.

lol Another funny comment. Once again another ridiculous statement coming from another statistic. I'd rather hear your own brain waves talking instead of just relaying information you hear in the media.
I guess the brave U.S Forces dropping Bombs from the sky into civilian areas killing enormous amounts of innocent people is your idea of "righteous conventional warfare".

 

[Woodrow]

it is the leaders of america who are the fools not the people. the average american either disapproves of usa action taken in muslim countries or they are uneducated as to what is really happening and so just listen to the political leaders and what they say.

Sadly, there is much truth in that.


I find that us Americans have very little knowledge as to what happens in our government. I suspect we have a number that do not even know where Washington DC is. To many Americans it seems that they view anything outside of their own state as being a foreign country.

Just from personal observations.

1. The average American does not vote in any elections, but complains about whoever is elected/

2. The average American does not know the names of the senators and congressmen who represent his state.

3. Many Americans do not know the differences between federal, state and local government.

4. As a whole we do not seem to know of any legislation our lawmakers have pending.

5. We are blind or stupid about any action that takes place in Washington. Which reminds me it seems many Americans think Washington state and Washington DC are the same place.

6, Many Americans do not realise or understand that Washington DC (our capitol) is not located in any State. It is surrounded by Maryland and Virginia, but the District of Columbia is not located in any state.

I wonder if we ever will wake up and take our government back from the District of Columbia and return to State Rights. Will we ever once again be a government for the people?

 

[Anette]

I say we bring all troops home from everywhere it's not our problem. North Korea said today they wanted to reduce South Korea to ruble. Not our problem. Genocide in Dafur? Not our problem.

Ok, you mean all or nothing? Nobody can help anyone if US not allowed random attacks in the Middle East? Sometimes looking för massdistruction weapons and sometimes "the random enemy".

Korea is a sad history ever since 1950. Another war ending up in nothing but a deadlock and dead civilians cought in between two at that time leading superpowers. Dafur - history shows that oil can be a curse - this time it was China last time it was US that wanted oil supply keep on coming. China, US, USSR - big giants setting the agenda, telling "us" who the enemy is and the consequence is a growing misdirected hate and fear against all muslims around the world, the faceless enemy, that was invented when US went off to "war against terrorism".

At the same time many people die - and not "only" the "guilty" ones.

As long as power, money, resources, revenge, hate, fear and many other things has direct influence in the UN/US political military agenda - instead of finding peace or strive to unify shattered people or fight for what everyone concider to be a just cause - then meaningless never ending wars will keep on coming around the world. That´s our problem.

 

[north_malaysian]

As long as power, money, resources, revenge, hate, fear and many other things has direct influence in the UN/US political military agenda - instead of finding peace or strive to unify shattered people or fight for what everyone concider to be a just cause - then meaningless never ending wars will keep on coming around the world. That´s our problem.

Wow...:thumbs_up

 

[north_malaysian]

Sadly, there is much truth in that.


I find that us Americans have very little knowledge as to what happens in our government. I suspect we have a number that do not even know where Washington DC is. To many Americans it seems that they view anything outside of their own state as being a foreign country.

Just from personal observations.

1. The average American does not vote in any elections, but complains about whoever is elected/

2. The average American does not know the names of the senators and congressmen who represent his state.

3. Many Americans do not know the differences between federal, state and local government.

4. As a whole we do not seem to know of any legislation our lawmakers have pending.

5. We are blind or stupid about any action that takes place in Washington. Which reminds me it seems many Americans think Washington state and Washington DC are the same place.

6, Many Americans do not realise or understand that Washington DC (our capitol) is not located in any State. It is surrounded by Maryland and Virginia, but the District of Columbia is not located in any state.

I wonder if we ever will wake up and take our government back from the District of Columbia and return to State Rights. Will we ever once again be a government for the people?

It must be hard for you to explain these to other fellow non-American Muslims....

But at least ... you've convinced me that a great majority of Americans are nice peeps....:thumbs_up

 

[Keltoi]

Ok, you mean all or nothing? Nobody can help anyone if US not allowed random attacks in the Middle East? Sometimes looking för massdistruction weapons and sometimes "the random enemy".

That assumes attacks are random. They are anything but.

Korea is a sad history ever since 1950. Another war ending up in nothing but a deadlock and dead civilians cought in between two at that time leading superpowers. Dafur - history shows that oil can be a curse - this time it was China last time it was US that wanted oil supply keep on coming. China, US, USSR - big giants setting the agenda, telling "us" who the enemy is and the consequence is a growing misdirected hate and fear against all muslims around the world, the faceless enemy, that was invented when US went off to "war against terrorism".

Terrorism is not a "faceless" enemy. They may cover their faces when they put out beheading propoganda videos, but Bin Laden and Zawahiri show their faces as much as they can. At least Zawahiri does, Bin laden's absence is striking. Pretending that no threat exists and that no enemy exists is either naive or blind.

At the same time many people die - and not "only" the "guilty" ones.

That much is true.

As long as power, money, resources, revenge, hate, fear and many other things has direct influence in the UN/US political military agenda - instead of finding peace or strive to unify shattered people or fight for what everyone concider to be a just cause - then meaningless never ending wars will keep on coming around the world. That´s our problem.

That is a very utopian view. If only the U.S. would listen to everyone else about what is important for our security the world would progress into an earthly paradise. Find a just cause that everyone would agree on? I'm afraid that is quite impossible. The U.N. is a broken body. Each country is aiming for their own long-term interests. They couldn't agree on the color of the sky.

Power, money, resources, revenge, hate, and fear are not U.S. or U.N. motivations, they are the motivations of every nation out there. Both enemies and allies.

 

[Izyan]

laugh all you want the facts remain and everything i said is true, as they say truth hurts.

so again, instead of point fingers at what Muslims can do or not, go look at your own Jewish 'chosen' people and your fellow evangelical Christians.

You don't know many christians do you? We don't hold any land sacred in the same terms as muslims or Jews do. you can destroy every church you see and we would still congregate and be merry. Even Jesus destroyed the church when he died. Sure we like the Holy Land as a link to our spirtuality but it don't make us who we are. It's just bricks and mortar no one else. We see the Israeli/Palestinian conflict more as a right for survival than in biblical terms. Not to say there aren't loons out there like Pat Robertson but they are in the minority