Wanting to convert to Christianity (URGENT!)

[The-Deist]

Bro Striving

I have spoken with you on skype, and found you to be a young man who has issues he finds no one else shares - it's like you enjoy being the werido or something.

From what I understand, Islam promotes the idea of Ummah - meaning one nation without borders under God.

We have one holy book - the Quran, which has withstood the test of time and is unchanged since it's revelation.

We have the truth of the Prophethood of Muhammad pbuh and the witness statements of his companions (RA) and the stringent sciences of ahadeeth which authenticate them.

Now let's compare it ok "weirdo Mr I want to be different" ?

Number of versions of the bible: http://tyndalearchive.com/scriptures/index.htm (ridiculous)

Number of versions of Quran: ONE

Christianity - Number of Gods: 0.33 / 0.33 / 0.33 -- making 3 mini Gods who join to form one maxi-God who is still 3 miniGods.

Islam - number of God: Laa ilaha ilaAllah - there are no gods worthy of worship except THE GOD (singular)

Christian Concept of salvation: If you don't believe in Jesus as God, you will burn in hell

Muslim concept of salvation: Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabiana - whoever believes in God and the last day, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve 2:62, 5:69

You can clearly see that when it comes to theology of Islam vs Christianity - Islam wins. Authenticity - Islam wins. Equity and Justice - Islam wins.

But you like Christianity because "you don't have to do much" in it.

You are a weak boy.

People like you never become men, enjoy your new found faith, and your new "family"

Scimi

I didnt convert yet.

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

I wouldn´t be very worry about your pondering about converting. You are living your teenage years and at this time its typical start to questioning the values and opinions you have been teached during your childhood time. I would like to encourage you read more about other ways to believe (ok, don´t smash me now, I didn´t encourage him to leave Islam), comparing their values and teachings to your old ones, looking for good and bad sides. As I wrote, this is what most of the teenages are doing while one part of their growing up process. They are like the middle of storm in their minds and one what everyone do is challenge their old values. Wait few years and everything will look more clear in your mind. (Hei mä tiedän - mulla oli aika myrskyisä teini-ikä - vanhat arvot lens romukoppaan ja uusilla arvoilla tuli vähän järkytettyä vanhempia. ;D )

You are living in Finland now? Yes, the whole society is Christian but most of the people don´t care about religion a lot. Because some matters at this time Islam is not number one on the list of the most favourite religions here. I am sure you read same news like I do. Don´t worry about those news too much. Haters gonna hate. That´s all.

 

[Scimitar]

Bro Striving

You converted in your heart... repentance and reconciliation with Allah is required.

Forums won't be speaking up for you when it matters bro.

This is between you and Allah.

You (at the very least) allowed yourself to consider fuzool thoughts which are silly to even enetertain - and you made a thread about these which is a good thing because in the real world, Muslim help may not be so easily given in cases when one expresses their fascination with another faith... but this is the net, and here we try not to judge (even though I cannot help it) - but at this juncture bro - forums won't help you - only Allah can.

And Allah only helps those who help themselves.

Your first act should be taubah. And you should not need me to tell you that either.

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

Salam alaykum

I wouldn´t be very worry about your pondering about converting. You are living your teenage years and at this time its typical start to questioning the values and opinions you have been teached during your childhood time. I would like to encourage you read more about other ways to believe (ok, don´t smash me now, I didn´t encourage him to leave Islam), comparing their values and teachings to your old ones, looking for good and bad sides. As I wrote, this is what most of the teenages are doing while one part of their growing up process. They are like the middle of storm in their minds and one what everyone do is challenge their old values. Wait few years and everything will look more clear in your mind. (Hei mä tiedän - mulla oli aika myrskyisä teini-ikä - vanhat arvot lens romukoppaan ja uusilla arvoilla tuli vähän järkytettyä vanhempia. ;D )

You are living in Finland now? Yes, the whole society is Christian but most of the people don´t care about religion a lot. Because some matters at this time Islam is not number one on the list of the most favourite religions here. I am sure you read same news like I do. Don´t worry about those news too much. Haters gonna hate. That´s all.

Interesting and honest understanding of what may be affecting bro Striving.

Follow sister herbs advice.

And one more thing - do not talk religion to irreligious people - else you will be wasting your time, and only entertaining the others like some sort of stand up act.

Scimi

 

[Sakina'141]

Yes following your emotions too much and ignoring rational decisioning probably is bad. But shouldnt religion make you feel good emotionally too?

brother,

Sorry to hear that you are feeling this way but please understand that Islam is a very spiritual religion, we are constantly reminded to remember Allah and reflect on His creation. I can understand what you are saying about you feel like praying is an obligation and ritual; unfortunately you are not feeling the spiritual connection when you are praying. This may be because you are not refelcting on the meaning of the surahs recited during the prayer and I find making personal dua during or after each prayer increases the connection with Allah more, it will really help you if you see prayer as a personal conversation with Allah (reflect on the meaning of recitations) rather than obligation you have to fulfil.

Also, Allah has asked us to remember Him much and reflect on everything He has given us, you will develop the spiritual connection you have been seeking if you remember that everything is from Allah and you will become thankful for many of His countless blessings, reflect on little thing in you life you have been blessed with and say Alhamdulillah. For example, I spend few times a day reflecting on random things, today I was looking outside at the awful weather which made me realise the blessing of a home with heating. The other day I had a really terrible day at work but I felt thankful to Allah for it because I dealt with some very difficult situations and I know Allah is helping me grow to deal with tougher challenges that I know are coming ahead. We all have personal connections with Allah and you really DO NOT have to convert to Christiany/buddism to develop th spiritual connection you are seeking. My one advise for you is remember Allah much with everything He has blessed you your life; in hardship and ease & be thankful and know that Allah has the best plans for us even in what seems like impossible times, He knows whats best for us more than we know for ourself so you put your trust in Allah with everything, He will bless you with everything that is good for you. May Allah bring all of us closer and closer to Him increasing our Iman, Ameen.

 

[Insaanah]

I would say, looking at this thread, the issue you have doesn't seem to be to do with Islam itself per se. As you mentioned in a previous thread, you have a general problem of feeling emotionless. Somehow Shaytan has led you to think Islam may be the reason. You are hoping that if you become a Christian, you will feel joy, love etc, and that you will begin to feel some emotion. This is a very wrong approach.

When members are explaining what they think are the issues, then asking if you've read replies/links, and which bits you are not sure about/have a problem with, you're not really answering, which also leads me to believe that the problems is not with Islam, but a lack of motivation/feeling emotionless. It seems to be a symptom, a cry for help, of a different problem, but manifesting in this way. I could be wrong though.

Also, it seems that you are not putting in much. It is (admittedly a crude and inappropriate analogy) like one partner not putting effort or hard work into a marriage, and then expecting a marriage to work, and when it doesn't, walking out and saying there's something wrong with the other person. It doesn't work that way.

We have to show love and commitment to to Allah:

So remember Me; I will remember you. And be grateful to Me and do not deny Me. (2:152)

Remember, while current day Christians feel they don't have to follow the Law, Jesus (peace be on him) followed the law himself and taught his followers to do so. The Qur'an also confirms he followed the law:

And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive. [words spoken by Jesus , peace be on him](19:35)

Prayer and zakaat were fard (compulsory) on him.

Also, if having someone die for your sins seems the easy way out, know that nobody carries the burden of another, and no man died for your sins.

That assessment of the problem could be completely wrong, in which case please let us know what it is you are finding troubling so that we can help you.

I would ask you to renew your faith, start again, even if from the beginning.

We, your brothers and sisters all around the globe, are here to help you, and rooting for you.

May Allah keep you and us on the right path, ameen.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

I dont use drugs...

Can you tell me what you feel burdened by?

 

[Abz2000]

Think about it man!
If God had died for your sins - there would be no paradise either!

 

[Umm Malik]

I used to spend most of time reading hadiths and watching lectures. Not anymore tho

on the contrary brother i think you made a good things
and the prophet muhammad pace be upon him (( Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The religion (of Islam) is easy, and whoever makes the religion a rigour, it will overpower him. So, follow a middle course (in worship); if you can't do this, do something near to it and give glad tidings and seek help (of Allah) at morn and at dusk and some part of night ))
so .. as i told u brother before it just a whisper from shaytan ... so remember allah even you don't feel any thing this will purify your heart to get sakinah pray even you don't feel it
read adkar assabah wa almassae
and i think you didnt read my reply because i told you from my experience
i understand you
i hope to don't see this word change in your profile and in your heart firstly ( religion islam )
this is my reply please do what i told you .. this is the solution of all my question and the wrong way that the shaytan want me to think


brother just do this : say allahumma ihdini lima ikhtoulifa fihi mina lhakki bi idnik wa ida aradta fitnata kawmin fa kbidni ilayka ghayra maftun
i used to think like this but when i use those things i feel like all that things was a whisper from satan try to remember a deed that you did it just for allah without associating anyone else and say : o allah if you know that just for you and to win your satisfying please relieve me from what i have
you know ? when i was read a bible and research about the original version in aramaic
i choked because it was a lot of different mistakes in the translation and the christian themselves admit that
so if you want to pray to allah you should read his book in arabic // even you aren't arabian
so you read it in the first language
make doaa
take the quran with your hands
ask allah to guide you
and read any surah
and listen to your lord when he advice you in this pages
you still love him
and this topic is the best proof of that
just open the quran and listen to your god's advice
islam has come to complete christianity and the others
you believe in Jesus, Moses, Isaac, and Jacob,and all the other prophets peace be upon them
you believe in one god
so you are right
don't let the whisper destroying you
may allah guide you i understand you it's the hardest moments in my life when i was think like this
may allah be with you


so , those are my three things that i did them to feel better
1: say allahumma ihdini lima ikhtoulifa fihi mina lhakki bi idnik wa ida aradta fitnata kawmin fa kbidni ilayka ghayra maftun
and : allah , allahu rabb la ooshrikoo bihi shayaan
and (( houwa l'awwalo wa l'akhirou wa ddahirou wa lbatinou wa huwwa bi koulli shay'en alim ))
2: ask allah with good deed<<remember a deed that you did it just for allah without associating anyone with him and say allahumma you are know that one day i did .... ( say and remember the deed )) and say : o allah if you know that just for you and to win your satisfying please relieve me from what i have
3 : make doaa
take the quran with your hands
ask allah to guide you
and read any surah
and listen to your lord when he advice you in this pages

 

[The-Deist]

on the contrary brother i think you made a good things
and the prophet muhammad pace be upon him (( Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The religion (of Islam) is easy, and whoever makes the religion a rigour, it will overpower him. So, follow a middle course (in worship); if you can't do this, do something near to it and give glad tidings and seek help (of Allah) at morn and at dusk and some part of night ))
so .. as i told u brother before it just a whisper from shaytan ... so remember allah even you don't feel any thing this will purify your heart to get sakinah pray even you don't feel it
read adkar assabah wa almassae
and i think you didnt read my reply because i told you from my experience
i understand you
i hope to don't see this word change in your profile and in your heart firstly ( religion islam )
this is my reply please do what i told you .. this is the solution of all my question and the wrong way that the shaytan want me to think


brother just do this : say allahumma ihdini lima ikhtoulifa fihi mina lhakki bi idnik wa ida aradta fitnata kawmin fa kbidni ilayka ghayra maftun
i used to think like this but when i use those things i feel like all that things was a whisper from satan try to remember a deed that you did it just for allah without associating anyone else and say : o allah if you know that just for you and to win your satisfying please relieve me from what i have
you know ? when i was read a bible and research about the original version in aramaic
i choked because it was a lot of different mistakes in the translation and the christian themselves admit that
so if you want to pray to allah you should read his book in arabic // even you aren't arabian
so you read it in the first language
make doaa
take the quran with your hands
ask allah to guide you
and read any surah
and listen to your lord when he advice you in this pages
you still love him
and this topic is the best proof of that
just open the quran and listen to your god's advice
islam has come to complete christianity and the others
you believe in Jesus, Moses, Isaac, and Jacob,and all the other prophets peace be upon them
you believe in one god
so you are right
don't let the whisper destroying you
may allah guide you i understand you it's the hardest moments in my life when i was think like this
may allah be with you


so , those are my three things that i did them to feel better
1: say allahumma ihdini lima ikhtoulifa fihi mina lhakki bi idnik wa ida aradta fitnata kawmin fa kbidni ilayka ghayra maftun
and : allah , allahu rabb la ooshrikoo bihi shayaan
and (( houwa l'awwalo wa l'akhirou wa ddahirou wa lbatinou wa huwwa bi koulli shay'en alim ))
2: ask allah with good deed<<remember a deed that you did it just for allah without associating anyone with him and say allahumma you are know that one day i did .... ( say and remember the deed )) and say : o allah if you know that just for you and to win your satisfying please relieve me from what i have
3 : make doaa
take the quran with your hands
ask allah to guide you
and read any surah
and listen to your lord when he advice you in this pages

Do you know Aramaic?

 

[The-Deist]

Think about it man!
If God had died for your sins - there would be no paradise either!

I believe some Christians dont believe that (sects)

 

[Insaanah]

Brother Strivingfordeen,

Please keep striving.

I just remembered that I posted this for another member not so long ago and they found that it helped answer their questions as to why Islam rather than Christianity, so I'll post here too.

Please see the following posts. Each link is for one post. You might have to wait a bit for the page to get to/load the actual relevant post.

http://www.islamicboard.com/discover-islam/134325340-am-completely.html#post2843948
http://www.islamicboard.com/discover-islam/134325782-question-islamic-beleifs.html#post2847435
http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...-christians-converting-islam.html#post1492771
http://www.islamicboard.com/clarifi...n-jesus-islam-christianity-2.html#post2856144
http://www.islamicboard.com/discover-islam/134312817-islam-christianity.html#post1515355

There is also lots of information given in this thread, lots of clear and simple and logical evidences why Islam is the truth. You owe it to yourself to read it. Please communicate with us and let us know what you need help on.

And let us know if this helped.

 

[The-Deist]

Can you tell me what you feel burdened by?

I have stated it before in this thread

 

[The-Deist]

Brother Strivingfordeen,

Please keep striving.

I just remembered that I posted this for another member not so long ago and they found that it helped answer their questions as to why Islam rather than Christianity, so I'll post here too.

Please see the following posts. Each link is for one post. You might have to wait a bit for the page to get to/load the actual relevant post.

http://www.islamicboard.com/discover-islam/134325340-am-completely.html#post2843948
http://www.islamicboard.com/discover-islam/134325782-question-islamic-beleifs.html#post2847435
http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...-christians-converting-islam.html#post1492771
http://www.islamicboard.com/clarifi...n-jesus-islam-christianity-2.html#post2856144
http://www.islamicboard.com/discover-islam/134312817-islam-christianity.html#post1515355

There is also lots of information given in this thread, lots of clear and simple and logical evidences why Islam is the truth. You owe it to yourself to read it. Please communicate with us and let us know what you need help on.

And let us know if this helped.

I dont know what it is. But deep down I cant convince myself to stay muslim. I would probaby feel like a hypocrite. Staying in a religion while I want to convert.

 

[Search]

:bism:

I dont know what it is. But deep down I cant convince myself to stay muslim. I would probaby feel like a hypocrite. Staying in a religion while I want to convert.

Hey, so, you know we have discussed this issue in some detail. I think you're confused; and I don't think that your present approach or thinking is the wrong way forward to get out of your confusion. To be honest, I know why you're attracted to the idea of conversion, but I think in the short-term you'll probably feel relieved but in the long-term you'll feel you'd made a mistake. Also, the things that are presently pushing you to convert are also things that will essentially the ground for flip-flopping on Christianity too. So, honestly, I feel like you lack a solid foundation in either Islam or Christianity to make that decision for yourself right now.

:wa:

 

[Search]

:bism:



Also, I want to add something else. Obviously, if this had been something you'd been absolutely 100% convinced of as the right move to make for yourself, I doubt you'd have created this thread: We, as human beings, only want advice on something of which we're unsure, not things about which we're sure. So, that right there is another issue.

You're not convinced of Christianity. You're attracted to Christianity. BIG difference.

:wa:

 

[Search]

:bism:



Also, I also want to say that if you do this, there are probably problems which you have not even begun to consider which you'll be inviting into your life.

You see, we can't run away from our current situation into another situation headlong without first considering the full consequences of how our decision will impact our life; I don't think you've deliberated over the outcome or the impact.

:wa:

 

[The-Deist]

:bism:



Also, I want to add something else. Obviously, if this had been something you'd been absolutely 100% convinced of as the right move to make for yourself, I doubt you'd have created this thread: We, as human beings, only want advice on something of which we're unsure, not things about which we're sure. So, that right there is another issue.

You're not convinced of Christianity. You're attracted to Christianity. BIG difference.

:wa:

Righy now, I am convinved of Christianity. But I wont make hasty decisions.

 

[Umm Malik]

I don't know what it is. But deep down I cant convince myself to stay muslim. I would probaby feel like a hypocrite. Staying in a religion while I want to convert.

please pleas brother, befor this do what i told u
all the steps just do it before
i am sure allah will guide you
may allah guide you brother
you want to worshipe three ?
don't let yourself to shaytan
i now befor that you was do some thing for the sake of allah without association .. ask allah with please
i used to feel like you and alhamdulillah allah guide me
please ask allah to guide you
tell him i am confusing
in want your help don't let me
please show me the right
and repeat aoudou billah mina shaytani rajim
please open quran and read even two pages before please
we don't want you to lose please please
may allah guide you

 

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:bism:

I dont know what it is. But deep down I cant convince myself to stay muslim. I would probaby feel like a hypocrite. Staying in a religion while I want to convert.

Also, forget the world! And the merry-go-round of its temptations!

Just imagine you right now 6 ft. under the soil.

Your parents can't help you.
Your friends can't help you.
This Forum can't help you.

Just you and God NOW.

What do you want?
What do you believe about your relationship with God?
What is your regret?

Those answers are not for the board; they're for you to help reveal your own heart to you and the whys.

Also, please recognize working to clarify your doubts is not the work of a hypocrite but a sincere seeker. I don't know if you know this, but Imam Ghazali r.a. (may God be pleased with him), one of the biggest scholars of Islam, had had big doubts:

In al-Munqidh, al-Ghazzali informs us of how in the prime of his life he was inflicted with a mysterious malady of the soul, which lasted for nearly two months during which time he was a sceptic in fact, but not in utterance and doctrineHe was a student in his early twenties at the Nizamiyyah College in Naishapur when he suffered from this disease of scepticism.

Yet this doubt turned out to be one of the biggest blessings in his life because he became strengthened in Islam when he recognized the source of his doubts and sought clarity within his own soul.

You should do the same. You may be young in age, but in Islam, you're considered mature enough to make decisions about your life, and you owe yourself the chance to find clarity within your soul too without being blase about that which you've been blessed: Islam.

:wa: