I dont have a mushaf but I listen through Youtube. I have asked god to guide me to the truth before this.
Wanting to convert to Christianity (URGENT!)
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Are you sure about that because that's not the impression I'd had from our conversations? That said, maybe things have changed for you: What about Christianity made/has you convinced? Or more precisely, what's changed?
:wa:
Are you sure about that because that's not the impression I'd had from our conversations? That said, maybe things have changed for you: What about Christianity made/has you convinced? Or more precisely, what's changed?
:wa:
Could you come to hangouts?:bism:
Also, forget the world! And the merry-go-round of its temptations!
Just imagine you right now 6 ft. under the soil.
Your parents can't help you.
Your friends can't help you.
This Forum can't help you.
Just you and God NOW.
What do you want?
What do you believe about your relationship with God?
What is your regret?
Those answers are not for the board; they're for you to help reveal your own heart to you and the whys.
Also, please recognize working to clarify your doubts is not the work of a hypocrite but a sincere seeker. I don't know if you know this, but Imam Ghazali r.a. (may God be pleased with him), one of the biggest scholars of Islam, had had big doubts:
Yet this doubt turned out to be one of the biggest blessings in his life because he became strengthened in Islam when he recognized the source of his doubts and sought clarity within his own soul.
You should do the same. You may be young in age, but in Islam, you're considered mature enough to make decisions about your life, and you owe yourself the chance to find clarity within your soul too without being blase about that which you've been blessed: Islam.
:wa:
ok ... that is your life
you are responsible of what you want to do
we r just sorry about that
but we can't do any thing to you except asking allah to help you
brother ....
you stop believing in the prophet muhammad ?
you won't say salla allahu alayhi wa salam when you hear his name
you won't say la ilaha illallah
you will believe of the prophet jesus as a god not as a prophet ?
you won't pray five times every day ?
you wont go to the masjed after that ...
you want to stope all this things ?
how is it hard to me to think about that
la ilaha illa allah
what can i say ... just this is your life
and we cant do anything except asking allah to you
allah is one not three make sure of that
sorry for my bad english
:bism:
Sure, bro, I will if you could wait some?
I do volunteer work with this family of abused children as Guardian Ad Litem, and I have to go there right now unfortunately to ensure that the children are safe and healthy. I will be back in 45 minutes or so.
I'll contact you then if you're available? K?
:wa:
Sure, bro, I will if you could wait some?
I do volunteer work with this family of abused children as Guardian Ad Litem, and I have to go there right now unfortunately to ensure that the children are safe and healthy. I will be back in 45 minutes or so.
I'll contact you then if you're available? K?
:wa:
We dont even have a masjid nearby.
May Allaah guide you to the truth, I think if you want to find peace in Islam the first thing you will have to do is READ. READ the Quran translation, build your tawheed why were you created? Who is Allah? Where is Allah?
From there start looking into whatever else you want to look into, but in order for you to be able to compare religions you will have to learn the basics about them. So give Islam a fair chance don't let the shaytan hasten you into making worshiping Allah a burden. Everything in this world worth doing is difficult, nothing is easy and attaining heaven fits into that category.
From there start looking into whatever else you want to look into, but in order for you to be able to compare religions you will have to learn the basics about them. So give Islam a fair chance don't let the shaytan hasten you into making worshiping Allah a burden. Everything in this world worth doing is difficult, nothing is easy and attaining heaven fits into that category.
Sallam brother,
Have you thought of the people of all other religions, or even athiests who feel good emotionally without believing in any religion? Is that an indication that they on the correct path?
Would a person who worships stones, or a person who doesn't believe in Allah and gets everything he wants in life, and is feeling good as a result of all the success in life, would any of that be an indication of him being on the correct path? You would say no, because you know better.
Everything in life is a test; compare & contrast & ponder over these verses:
[Quran - 2:214]
Or think you that you will enter Paradise without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? They were afflicted with severe poverty and ailments and were so shaken that even the Messenger and those who believed along with him said, "When (will come) the Help of Allah?" Yes! Certainly, the Help of Allah is near!
[Quran - 3:178]
And let not the disbelievers think that Our postponing of their punishment is good for them. We postpone the punishment only so that they may increase in sinfulness. And for them is a disgracing torment.
You need to have a solid foundation to begin with, because a building will collapse down if its foundations are weak (the weak foundation will feel the building as burden upon it). Begin by understanding the concept of Tawheed and Shirk.
Please note this point: All the Prophets and Messengers of Allah came to their people telling them to worship Allah alone (without any partners) - this has been and still is the single most important commandment of Allah. It is still found in the Bible and also in the Quran.
[Quran 16:36]
And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): "Worship Allah (Alone), and avoid (or keep away from) Taghut (all false deities, etc. i.e. do not worship Taghut besides Allah)."
Ibraheem (Abraham), Nuh (Noah), Daud (David), Musa (Moses), Isa (Jesus), Muhammad sallallahu 'alayhe wa sallam and all the other Prophets and Messengers came to their people telling them to worship God alone, alone without any partners. They all came from the same God, with the same Message, so the religion is one and the same. Its only the people who then differentiated (i.e. disbelieved in the Prophet or Messenger of Allah that came to them, disbelieved in the Book of Allah, etc.) and thus the name labelling.
Whereas the people who become Muslim do so while thoroughly researching Islam and investigating the Quran.
The Bible contains the Old Testament and the New Testament, their followers are in contradiction with their understanding of God. The first commandment given to Prophet Moses, alayhe sallam, see what his understanding was and that of his followers at their time - the Jews [Belief in one God (One -> One)], and then compare and contrast that with the Christians who came afterwards [Belief in One God (One -> Three)].
At the time of Prophet Moses, alayhe sallam (and before him), no one knew of the concept of Original Sin nor knew of a thing called the Trinity Doctrine. How did the original sin and the three-in-one idea come about in the first place? The Jews (who've been there before the Christians) do not believe in the concept of Original Sin nor Trinity. Christianity is built on the concept of Original Sin and Trinity, the concept which none of the Prophets and Messengers of God ever taught their followers, including Jesus Christ. Here's whats mentioned in the Bible:
[Deuteronomy 6:4] (Old Testament)
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
[Mark 12:28-29] (New Testament)
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Allay says about Jesus, alayhe wa sallam, in the Quran:
[Quran 5:72]
Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) there are no helpers.
Sorry for my bad english / i meant wont you as a question not you won't / i am sorry .... i asked you about all this things won't you stop all this ... i am sorry about you
may allah help .. i have hope one day you will see the right but i don't want you to left islam .... can you try to live just one day as a Muslim ... please try to do my advice ... and i am sorry for my requests .... just one day ... wake up and pray fajr ... read adkar assabah ... say bismi lah wan you want to go out your home ... smile to every one ... say bismillah when you enter to the house and began with your right foot .... bay a mushaf and read from it .. pray duhr and asr and maghrib ... and make sure i have read many things in the bible that make me sure that islam is right ... so Allah is one even you think other thing ... but in all that things youu r responsible of your decision and i now that allah will guide if you have some love to him ... do just one step and allah will do more
allah in the holy hadith man atani yamshi ataytuhu harwala
قَالَ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ أَنَا عِنْدَ ظَنِّ عَبْدِي بِي وَأَنَا مَعَهُ حَيْثُ يَذْكُرُنِي وَاللَّهِ لَلَّهُ أَفْرَحُ بِتَوْبَةِ عَبْدِهِ مِنْ أَحَدِكُمْ يَجِدُ ضَالَّتَهُ بِالْفَلَاةِ وَمَنْ تَقَرَّبَ إِلَيَّ شِبْرًا تَقَرَّبْتُ إِلَيْهِ ذِرَاعًا وَمَنْ تَقَرَّبَ إِلَيَّ ذِرَاعًا تَقَرَّبْتُ إِلَيْهِ بَاعًا وَإِذَا أَقْبَلَ إِلَيَّ يَمْشِي أَقْبَلْتُ إِلَيْهِ أُهَرْوِلُ
Allah the Exalted says: I am as my servant expects me and I am with him as he remembers me. If he remembers me in himself, then I will remember him in myself. If he mentions me in a gathering, then I will mention him in a greater gathering. When he draws near to me by the span of his hand, I draw near him by the length of a cubit. When he draws near me by the length of a cubit, I draw near him by the length of a fathom. When he comes to me walking, I will come to him running.
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(( قَالَ اللَّهُ كَذَّبَنِي ابْنُ آدَمَ وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَهُ ذَلِكَ وَشَتَمَنِي وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَهُ ذَلِكَ فَأَمَّا تَكْذِيبُهُ إِيَّايَ فَزَعَمَ أَنِّي لَا أَقْدِرُ أَنْ أُعِيدَهُ كَمَا كَانَ وَأَمَّا شَتْمُهُ إِيَّايَ فَقَوْلُهُ لِي وَلَدٌ فَسُبْحَانِي أَنْ أَتَّخِذَ صَاحِبَةً أَوْ وَلَدًا
Allah the Exalted said: The son of Adam has lied against me but he has no right to do so, and he has abused me but he has no right to do so. As for his lie, it is his saying that I cannot recreate him as I did before. As for his abuse, it is his saying that I have a son, but I am glorified above taking a wife or a son.
Source: Sahih Bukhari 4212, Grade: Sahih ))
Ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:
إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَتَبَ الْحَسَنَاتِ وَالسَّيِّئَاتِ ثُمَّ بَيَّنَ ذَلِكَ فَمَنْ هَمَّ بِحَسَنَةٍ فَلَمْ يَعْمَلْهَا كَتَبَهَا اللَّهُ عِنْدَهُ حَسَنَةً كَامِلَةً وَإِنْ هَمَّ بِهَا فَعَمِلَهَا كَتَبَهَا اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ عِنْدَهُ عَشْرَ حَسَنَاتٍ إِلَى سَبْعِ مِائَةِ ضِعْفٍ إِلَى أَضْعَافٍ كَثِيرَةٍ وَإِنْ هَمَّ بِسَيِّئَةٍ فَلَمْ يَعْمَلْهَا كَتَبَهَا اللَّهُ عِنْدَهُ حَسَنَةً كَامِلَةً وَإِنْ هَمَّ بِهَا فَعَمِلَهَا كَتَبَهَا اللَّهُ سَيِّئَةً وَاحِدَةً
Verily, Allah has recorded good and bad deeds and He made them clear. Whoever intends to perform a good deed but does not do it, then Allah will record it as a complete good deed. If he intends to do it and does so, then Allah the Exalted will record it as ten good deeds up to seven hundred times as much or even more. If he intends to do a bad deed and does not do it, then Allah will record for him one complete good deed. If he does it then Allah will record for him a single bad deed.
Source: Sahih Bukhari 6126, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi))
may Allah guide you brother amen
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I apologise this post is long, but please read it all, as I've used some analogies to explain things in a different way and made some new points.
Does that make more sense to you, truly and deeply in your heart, rather than One God? A Christian cannot talk about One God, without mentioning the number three. It is not, in that case, truly a concept of One God. In Christianity 3 = 1. In Islam 1=1. The concept in Islam is so simple, clear, logical, makes sense, is easy to understand and grasp, and resonates with the heart and mind and soul. Now compare to God the father, who had to beget god the son, so that he could have god the son killed in a painful, slow and torturous bloody death to atone for mankinds sins. If you can have God the son then surely there must be God the daughter somewhere. And God the cousin. etc. And then he sent God the holy spirit to live in our bodies.
This is Allah:
One God. He alone should be worshipped. He is our Creator, Sustainer, and Lord.
He does not beget, nor is He begotten. He has no sons, daughters, spouses, siblings, parents, cousins, or relatives of any sort.
He is eternal and does not die. He does not depend on anyone/anything yet we all depend on Him. He is free of all want and need.
There is nothing like Him. He is all Hearing, all Seeing, all Knowing, all Powerful, Incomparable, the Creator of the Universe.
He did not/does not, become flesh, dwell in human or animal bodies, nor are there any incarnations of Him. He is not mixed up in His creation in any way.
He is not composed of persons, nor a trinity. There are no secondary, lesser, greater, equal, or multiple gods, nor any intermediaries. And no denying of God's existence either.
There are no sharers, associates, persons or parts whatsoever in His exclusive Divinity. Simply, He is One, in every sense.
As you can see, the concept is clear, simple, logical, makes sense, and befits the Majesty of God.
In Hinduism, there is belief that God incarnated into the body of animals such as an elephant etc. In Christianity there is belief that God incarnated into a human body, that of Jesus (peace be on him). The beliefs in incarnation of God are similar, one says a animal body, the other says a human body. How can God be reduced to coming in lowly forms and going to the toilet, crying like a baby, coming out of a woman's womb?
Let's say, a persons parent brought him up, gave him everything he needed, tended to his every need. That child, when he grows up, goes to his neighbour halfway down the street and says, thank you for everything you've given me, everything you've done for me, for bringing me up etc. You'd think that person had lost the plot, right? And how would his parents feel? Christians say, thank you Jesus, for everything. You will be thanking other than God. It is Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He, who has given you everything. Not Isa alayhissalaam, as respected and noble a messenger as he is.
As to hell. If you are thinking, wow God is so much more loving and caring in Christianity. Then know this. In Christianity, mankind is eternally d.a.m.n.e.d because of Adam eating from the tree. And there is nothing you can do. Whether you are sinful or not, you are doomed. the only way out, is, for you have a saviour who will save you from this d.a.m.nation. And for this, as I mentioned God had to beget a son and then have him killed. Akhi, use your brain. Why would Allah do this? This ascribes injustice to Allah, that he kills an innocent person. It ascribes injustice to him that he makes someone else carry the sins of another and lets a sinner get away scot free. It denigrates Allahs power, by suggesting he couldn't forgive mankind simply by forgiving and had to beget a son and have him killed. It makes Allah into a cruel God who d.a.m.n.s all of mankind for a sin they didn't commit.
Many people get taken in by "For God so loved the world that he gave His only son..."
But if he so loved the world, he would have forgiven Adam and Eve. Like He did, and like Islam says. But Christianity says:
To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.”
Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;
Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. “Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; By the sweat of your face You will eat bread,
Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.” (Genesis 3:16-19)
Compare with Islam:
When they both ate from the tree, they repented to Allah.
"Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful." (2:37)
"Then his Lord chose him and turned to him in forgiveness and guided [him]." (20:122)
They both repented and both were completely forgiven by their Loving, Merciful Lord; and indeed Adam was then chosen to be the first person to receive guidance from Allah, and is counted among all the other Prophets of Islam:
"Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds" -(3:33)
Lets imaging, now, you are sitting an exam. Someone says they'll take your bad marks for you. Will you be gullible and believe them? Or will you know, that you will be judged on your own merit. And nobody, rightly, takes responsibility for what you have done. Similarly, please do not be gullible enough to believe that any person any object, anything, will carry the burden of your sins, or died for your sins. If you do so, you are deceiving yourself, and making the biggest mistake of your life. You are despairing of the mercy of Allah.
Islam recognises God's power to forgive with just His Will. Some of the other religions seem to claim that forgiveness requires a purchase price and if we can't pay it, somebody else has to pay it on our behalf. In Islam, forgiveness comes without a purchase price or sacrifice. We do not/cannot: buy, sacrifice for, earn or steal it. It comes freely when we sincerely ask for forgiveness and truly repent, accepting God's will.
We are required to try our hardest and best to love, fear and obey God, and obey the messengers He sent with His message. ""So fear Allah as much as you are able and listen and obey and spend [in the way of Allah ]; it is better for your selves..." (Qur'an 64:16, part)" and we have been told which things are forbidden for us and what we should avoid. When we do those things that we shouldn't, then we repent and seek God's forgiveness, being truly sorry for what we have done, trying our best not to repeat it, and acknowledging Allah as being the only One on Whom we depend, for the forgiveness of our sins.
God does not expect perfection from us, but simply for us to worship Him alone without any associates, persons or parts to His Exclusive Divinity, and to not ascribe divinity to anybody or anything else, and to do our very best and try our very hardest with all our heart, body and soul, to love and obey Him and the messengers He sent. His Mercy opening the doors to salvation and paradise.
For Christians, this may be hard. They believe that by accepting Jesus (peace be upon him) as their saviour they have an assurance of salvation, and view the Islamic position on salvation as being one of uncertainty. As a rough (not exact) analogy, the Christian position, is like one sitting an exam, but somebody has said they'll take all your bad marks for you, and if you let them do that, you'll pass. In the world, this would be viewed as cheating and as unjust. Injustice cannot be ascribed to God. The Islamic position is that of one sitting an exam, doing their best, and then awaiting their results, based on what they've done, and of course hoping for the mercy of God.
We strive, and hope for God's Mercy and trust in Him, for none is more trustworthy than He, but for Christians, it is as though they must have a guarantee from God. We need no such guarantee, and do not feel in any way compromised by not having one, which is a key point where, as demonstrated, they try to catch Muslims. None of us would have a guarantee of passing an exam until we got our results, and this is no different. What greater thing is there than Gods Mercy? We try our best and hope for His Mercy and trust in His Promise, no guarantees needed, as He is not a human who will let us down, or be unjust, on the contrary we will not be wronged by even the spot on a date stone.
Also remember, that Jesus followed the law, prayed, fasted, gave in charity (salaat, saum, zakat) etc. And taught his followers that they must do so as well. I have talked about the burden issue before. Your attraction seems to be do less, gain more. No need to follow the law, accept a saviour, and get to heaven easily. Imagine a salesperson puts an advert for a brand new latest iphone (6s?), for say £10. No monthly cost, no other cost, that's it, and the advert promises you this. You'd raise an eyebrow, right? You'd think it was some kind of scam. You'd try to verify it. Or you'd avoid it like the plague, preferring to pay more but buy from a reliable source. Yes? Do you get the drift? If it sounds too good to be true, it is. There is no free ticket to heaven. Certainly not by committing shirk and ascribing cruelty and injustice to Allah, sub'haanahu wa ta'aalaa.
Please do not make your salvation depend on a core belief that you don't understand, can't explain, doesn't make sense, and isn't mentioned explicitly anywhere in the Bible (the trinity). It is not the nature of God to give convoluted beliefs to people, that don't make sense.
That’s why we call you, brother Strivingfordeen, back to Islam, in which the concept is very clear. There’s One God, He’s indivisible, He doesn’t have children, nor relatives, nor grandparents, and He does not die. Compare this with there’s one God who had 3 different godheads, but at the same time, they’re still 1, one of them dies for three days, & instead of being 2 (or ⅔), they’re still 1, even though they’re physically separated. Which of these two is easier to understand? If we explained this to a child now, which one is easier for them?
Why would Allah present people with a concept that doesn’t make logical sense to you, doesn’t agree with humans naturally, you don’t understand it, you can’t explain it, and then tell you that to be saved you have to believe in this strange concept? Please think about it.
That’s why we call you back to Islam, in which you don’t have to separate between your logical self and your spiritual self, where the concepts make sense. We call you to a religion in which there is One God, none other is worthy of worship except Him, He sent prophets & messengers (including Jesus peace be upon him) to guide and warn humanity, and this is the message that has always been.
Sorry if some of it is a bit blunt but there is no easy way to point out the obvious and try and get you to think/ponder/reflect. I request you as before, to please read carefully, and respond with any further queries/clarifications sought, and let us know whether that has helped, and what other points we can help you with/explain.
Does that make more sense to you, truly and deeply in your heart, rather than One God? A Christian cannot talk about One God, without mentioning the number three. It is not, in that case, truly a concept of One God. In Christianity 3 = 1. In Islam 1=1. The concept in Islam is so simple, clear, logical, makes sense, is easy to understand and grasp, and resonates with the heart and mind and soul. Now compare to God the father, who had to beget god the son, so that he could have god the son killed in a painful, slow and torturous bloody death to atone for mankinds sins. If you can have God the son then surely there must be God the daughter somewhere. And God the cousin. etc. And then he sent God the holy spirit to live in our bodies.
This is Allah:
One God. He alone should be worshipped. He is our Creator, Sustainer, and Lord.
He does not beget, nor is He begotten. He has no sons, daughters, spouses, siblings, parents, cousins, or relatives of any sort.
He is eternal and does not die. He does not depend on anyone/anything yet we all depend on Him. He is free of all want and need.
There is nothing like Him. He is all Hearing, all Seeing, all Knowing, all Powerful, Incomparable, the Creator of the Universe.
He did not/does not, become flesh, dwell in human or animal bodies, nor are there any incarnations of Him. He is not mixed up in His creation in any way.
He is not composed of persons, nor a trinity. There are no secondary, lesser, greater, equal, or multiple gods, nor any intermediaries. And no denying of God's existence either.
There are no sharers, associates, persons or parts whatsoever in His exclusive Divinity. Simply, He is One, in every sense.
As you can see, the concept is clear, simple, logical, makes sense, and befits the Majesty of God.
In Hinduism, there is belief that God incarnated into the body of animals such as an elephant etc. In Christianity there is belief that God incarnated into a human body, that of Jesus (peace be on him). The beliefs in incarnation of God are similar, one says a animal body, the other says a human body. How can God be reduced to coming in lowly forms and going to the toilet, crying like a baby, coming out of a woman's womb?
Let's say, a persons parent brought him up, gave him everything he needed, tended to his every need. That child, when he grows up, goes to his neighbour halfway down the street and says, thank you for everything you've given me, everything you've done for me, for bringing me up etc. You'd think that person had lost the plot, right? And how would his parents feel? Christians say, thank you Jesus, for everything. You will be thanking other than God. It is Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He, who has given you everything. Not Isa alayhissalaam, as respected and noble a messenger as he is.
As to hell. If you are thinking, wow God is so much more loving and caring in Christianity. Then know this. In Christianity, mankind is eternally d.a.m.n.e.d because of Adam eating from the tree. And there is nothing you can do. Whether you are sinful or not, you are doomed. the only way out, is, for you have a saviour who will save you from this d.a.m.nation. And for this, as I mentioned God had to beget a son and then have him killed. Akhi, use your brain. Why would Allah do this? This ascribes injustice to Allah, that he kills an innocent person. It ascribes injustice to him that he makes someone else carry the sins of another and lets a sinner get away scot free. It denigrates Allahs power, by suggesting he couldn't forgive mankind simply by forgiving and had to beget a son and have him killed. It makes Allah into a cruel God who d.a.m.n.s all of mankind for a sin they didn't commit.
Many people get taken in by "For God so loved the world that he gave His only son..."
But if he so loved the world, he would have forgiven Adam and Eve. Like He did, and like Islam says. But Christianity says:
To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.”
Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;
Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. “Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; By the sweat of your face You will eat bread,
Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.” (Genesis 3:16-19)
Compare with Islam:
When they both ate from the tree, they repented to Allah.
"Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful." (2:37)
"Then his Lord chose him and turned to him in forgiveness and guided [him]." (20:122)
They both repented and both were completely forgiven by their Loving, Merciful Lord; and indeed Adam was then chosen to be the first person to receive guidance from Allah, and is counted among all the other Prophets of Islam:
"Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds" -(3:33)
Lets imaging, now, you are sitting an exam. Someone says they'll take your bad marks for you. Will you be gullible and believe them? Or will you know, that you will be judged on your own merit. And nobody, rightly, takes responsibility for what you have done. Similarly, please do not be gullible enough to believe that any person any object, anything, will carry the burden of your sins, or died for your sins. If you do so, you are deceiving yourself, and making the biggest mistake of your life. You are despairing of the mercy of Allah.
Islam recognises God's power to forgive with just His Will. Some of the other religions seem to claim that forgiveness requires a purchase price and if we can't pay it, somebody else has to pay it on our behalf. In Islam, forgiveness comes without a purchase price or sacrifice. We do not/cannot: buy, sacrifice for, earn or steal it. It comes freely when we sincerely ask for forgiveness and truly repent, accepting God's will.
We are required to try our hardest and best to love, fear and obey God, and obey the messengers He sent with His message. ""So fear Allah as much as you are able and listen and obey and spend [in the way of Allah ]; it is better for your selves..." (Qur'an 64:16, part)" and we have been told which things are forbidden for us and what we should avoid. When we do those things that we shouldn't, then we repent and seek God's forgiveness, being truly sorry for what we have done, trying our best not to repeat it, and acknowledging Allah as being the only One on Whom we depend, for the forgiveness of our sins.
God does not expect perfection from us, but simply for us to worship Him alone without any associates, persons or parts to His Exclusive Divinity, and to not ascribe divinity to anybody or anything else, and to do our very best and try our very hardest with all our heart, body and soul, to love and obey Him and the messengers He sent. His Mercy opening the doors to salvation and paradise.
For Christians, this may be hard. They believe that by accepting Jesus (peace be upon him) as their saviour they have an assurance of salvation, and view the Islamic position on salvation as being one of uncertainty. As a rough (not exact) analogy, the Christian position, is like one sitting an exam, but somebody has said they'll take all your bad marks for you, and if you let them do that, you'll pass. In the world, this would be viewed as cheating and as unjust. Injustice cannot be ascribed to God. The Islamic position is that of one sitting an exam, doing their best, and then awaiting their results, based on what they've done, and of course hoping for the mercy of God.
We strive, and hope for God's Mercy and trust in Him, for none is more trustworthy than He, but for Christians, it is as though they must have a guarantee from God. We need no such guarantee, and do not feel in any way compromised by not having one, which is a key point where, as demonstrated, they try to catch Muslims. None of us would have a guarantee of passing an exam until we got our results, and this is no different. What greater thing is there than Gods Mercy? We try our best and hope for His Mercy and trust in His Promise, no guarantees needed, as He is not a human who will let us down, or be unjust, on the contrary we will not be wronged by even the spot on a date stone.
Also remember, that Jesus followed the law, prayed, fasted, gave in charity (salaat, saum, zakat) etc. And taught his followers that they must do so as well. I have talked about the burden issue before. Your attraction seems to be do less, gain more. No need to follow the law, accept a saviour, and get to heaven easily. Imagine a salesperson puts an advert for a brand new latest iphone (6s?), for say £10. No monthly cost, no other cost, that's it, and the advert promises you this. You'd raise an eyebrow, right? You'd think it was some kind of scam. You'd try to verify it. Or you'd avoid it like the plague, preferring to pay more but buy from a reliable source. Yes? Do you get the drift? If it sounds too good to be true, it is. There is no free ticket to heaven. Certainly not by committing shirk and ascribing cruelty and injustice to Allah, sub'haanahu wa ta'aalaa.
Please do not make your salvation depend on a core belief that you don't understand, can't explain, doesn't make sense, and isn't mentioned explicitly anywhere in the Bible (the trinity). It is not the nature of God to give convoluted beliefs to people, that don't make sense.
That’s why we call you, brother Strivingfordeen, back to Islam, in which the concept is very clear. There’s One God, He’s indivisible, He doesn’t have children, nor relatives, nor grandparents, and He does not die. Compare this with there’s one God who had 3 different godheads, but at the same time, they’re still 1, one of them dies for three days, & instead of being 2 (or ⅔), they’re still 1, even though they’re physically separated. Which of these two is easier to understand? If we explained this to a child now, which one is easier for them?
Why would Allah present people with a concept that doesn’t make logical sense to you, doesn’t agree with humans naturally, you don’t understand it, you can’t explain it, and then tell you that to be saved you have to believe in this strange concept? Please think about it.
That’s why we call you back to Islam, in which you don’t have to separate between your logical self and your spiritual self, where the concepts make sense. We call you to a religion in which there is One God, none other is worthy of worship except Him, He sent prophets & messengers (including Jesus peace be upon him) to guide and warn humanity, and this is the message that has always been.
Sorry if some of it is a bit blunt but there is no easy way to point out the obvious and try and get you to think/ponder/reflect. I request you as before, to please read carefully, and respond with any further queries/clarifications sought, and let us know whether that has helped, and what other points we can help you with/explain.
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I don't really understand what you expect as an answer.
You already have Christians as family members.
Your perception of them and there's of you is probably pretty much set.
If anybody finds detriment in your character I'm sure they will let you know.
You already have Christians as family members.
Your perception of them and there's of you is probably pretty much set.
If anybody finds detriment in your character I'm sure they will let you know.
You don't have to be a perfect model Muslim, as no one really is.
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You should not offer prayer while intoxicated..somewhere in the Quran.. Although not sure about ziker.
Nobody is perfect for sure.. I'm sure sufi's get some leeway
...or not lol
If the Quran were sent to a perfect people,
We would not have had to be told would we?
Alcohol, gambling.. Intoxication etc etc.
Clean since 2006.
Nobody is perfect for sure.. I'm sure sufi's get some leeway
...or not lol
If the Quran were sent to a perfect people,
We would not have had to be told would we?
Alcohol, gambling.. Intoxication etc etc.
Clean since 2006.
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try to hear this
[h=1]The Hearts Hole - Islamic Reminder on yourube try to hear this also on youtub[/h]
[h=1]Gabriel convert with tears. Hearty moment,Yusuf Estes[/h]try to read his storry he was a christian preacher
[h=1]The Hearts Hole - Islamic Reminder on yourube try to hear this also on youtub[/h]
[h=1]Gabriel convert with tears. Hearty moment,Yusuf Estes[/h]try to read his storry he was a christian preacher
allahouma if you know that i did this thing for you and to win your satisfied please relief me from what i feel
i hope to tell us that you feel good inshaalah
do you think that islam can't give you happiness
i had have 7 of the mental illnes and i heal from all that things sins i repent even i was muslim but i didn't practice islam
but since i repent i heal without medicent wa lhamdou lillah
espicially panic ataks i sufring with them for 5 years and i feel like i getting crasy
but alhamdu lillah with my prayers and cow chapter everry day i get happy better then who didn't have it
i heal from 10 years and even my sister's died it didnt return any mor ( i mean the panic attaks ) even the dorctors says you it can't be heal without midicent
so my islam make me happy make me great person wa lhamdu lillah
so please practice your religion good befor searching of others ..
may allah guide you brother
i hope to tell us that you feel good inshaalah
do you think that islam can't give you happiness
i had have 7 of the mental illnes and i heal from all that things sins i repent even i was muslim but i didn't practice islam
but since i repent i heal without medicent wa lhamdou lillah
espicially panic ataks i sufring with them for 5 years and i feel like i getting crasy
but alhamdu lillah with my prayers and cow chapter everry day i get happy better then who didn't have it
i heal from 10 years and even my sister's died it didnt return any mor ( i mean the panic attaks ) even the dorctors says you it can't be heal without midicent
so my islam make me happy make me great person wa lhamdu lillah
so please practice your religion good befor searching of others ..
may allah guide you brother
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May Allah Help you and ease the burden in your Heart Ameen.
It's a human thing if you keep doing certain thing over and over again then you stop thinking about it you just react
Just like most Marshal Arts Practice makes them just react.
What you do to have emotional connection?
Understand what your doing (Prayer specially) like why one raise their hand to enter the prayer or why say salam getting out of it.
read different books or watch (YouTube) to have different perspective.
What i belief of Christianity
That it WAS true religion until people made changes in the BOOK(The Word of God)
That is why Allah sent another Messenger with the word of God and Protected the BOOK.
That is why He is the Last because the The Word of God remains intact.
Its all up to the people what they follow and will get accordingly on the day of Judgement.
Hope You Think Wisely.
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Just to add some points about the concept of a day of judgement, punishment and rewards, accountability, justice and retribution.
If there is a God, which we agree, there has to be a Day of Judgement, because God has to be fair, otherwise people get away scot free, and if a serial killer dies, it means he ends up in the same nothingness as a devout worshipper.
If there is a class of students, some are lazy and do nothing and get a fail mark, some work hard day and night on the syllabus and are worthy of distinctions, but the teacher gives them all pass marks, is that fair? Is that just? How can we ascribe the same unjustness to God?
We have a mass murderer and serial rapist on the one hand, and a devout, pious worshipper on the other, but God loves them both the same. That is not fair or just, and we cannot and should not ascribe such unjustness to God. I know God would love the repentance of the criminal, but here we are talking about loving him as is.
God makes one person die for the sins of the whole of humankind, and rather than each person being responsible for their own sins, he has to unjustly bear the burden. That is not Just and not fair. Again, we do not and will not ascribe such unjustness to God.
We do not assume we have His love, but we hope for it and ask for it, and have the following lovely supplication:
"O Allah, I ask you for Your love, and the love of those who love You, and the love of every action that will bring me closer to Your love."
We hope for His mercy, and we worship Him not with love alone (because then a person can do anything and think and assume that God will love him all the same) but with a combination of love (We should be overwhelming in our love for Him), hope (since He is the One who is full of Mercy, and we hope He will forgive our mistakes and shortcomings) and fear (on the Day of Judgement, every person will stand before Allaah and account for his sins, knowing that not even the smallest action which he did is hidden from Allaah, and we remind ourselves of this Judgement and accountability and that should bring about in us a sense of fear).
A Muslim should always remember that Allah is watching everything he does, and that he will have to account for his deeds. This alone should prevent behaving in a manner against the guidance of Allah. Many present day problems in this world would disappear and new ones avoided, if everyone acted fully in accord with this belief.
This world is our test, and we will get our pass or fail marks from Allah on the Day of Judgement (which is true and not an analogy). Imagine if a teacher had a class. Some students worked really hard day and night, some didn't, and some didn't study the specified syllabus but studied whatever they fancied. The hard workers get top marks, the lazy ones get the lowest fail marks, as do those that studied the wrong thing, but the teacher, instead of giving them their correct marks, gives them all distinctions. Can you imagine? The teacher would be sacked, there would be national outcry as to how unjust and stupid the teacher is, and the school would be blacklisted. How would those who worked hard feel, knowing that those who did nothing have been given the same marks? Why did they bother working so hard? They would demand justice, and rightfully so.
Imagine a country, where criminals were, instead of jail, sent to stately mansion houses with gardens and servants. The judge declares he feels an overwhelming sense of love for this criminal despite his heinous crimes. Would this be right? That country's laws would be ridiculed by it's own people and other countries.
Justice and retribution is something so fundamental, important and basic, that even animals and children understand it. A toddler tries to walk and hits a table and cries and cries. It's mother tries to console it, to no avail. Until she hits the table and says bad table, naughty table, then the child begins to calm down. Annoy the monkeys at the zoo and see how they react to you. How is it, that babies understand justice, animals understand justice, societies and countries understand justice, schools understand justice, but God doesn't? How can that be? Please think abut it. Please don't let the wool be pulled over your eyes.
We cannot ascribe such unjust behaviour to Allah. While Allah is Loving and Forgiving, He is also Severe in punishment, yet He is Fair and Firm. Such is the perfectly balanced nature of Allah.
Unlike the scenario, Allah is not unjust in the least bit. Those who work hard and try their utmost to obey Allah and follow the guidance He sent, will not be treated the same as those who don't.
Allah is kind, loving, forgiving, clement, forbearing, pardoning, the merciful, but also the Just, and the stern in punishment, just like we should expect Him to be. There is none more perfect than He.
To end, I found a post from one of our respected members here, which I thought you should read:
"Many of us here (Myself included) said essentially the same words you are now saying, during our years following Paulism in the belief we were Christians. During our Christian years we loved and worshiped an idealistic man-made concept. After we came to Islam we learned to truly love Jesus(as) and not what we were told was Jesus(as).
When I was Christian I thought I loved Jesus(as), but after coming to Islam I came to truly Love Jesus(as)."
If there is a God, which we agree, there has to be a Day of Judgement, because God has to be fair, otherwise people get away scot free, and if a serial killer dies, it means he ends up in the same nothingness as a devout worshipper.
If there is a class of students, some are lazy and do nothing and get a fail mark, some work hard day and night on the syllabus and are worthy of distinctions, but the teacher gives them all pass marks, is that fair? Is that just? How can we ascribe the same unjustness to God?
We have a mass murderer and serial rapist on the one hand, and a devout, pious worshipper on the other, but God loves them both the same. That is not fair or just, and we cannot and should not ascribe such unjustness to God. I know God would love the repentance of the criminal, but here we are talking about loving him as is.
God makes one person die for the sins of the whole of humankind, and rather than each person being responsible for their own sins, he has to unjustly bear the burden. That is not Just and not fair. Again, we do not and will not ascribe such unjustness to God.
We do not assume we have His love, but we hope for it and ask for it, and have the following lovely supplication:
"O Allah, I ask you for Your love, and the love of those who love You, and the love of every action that will bring me closer to Your love."
We hope for His mercy, and we worship Him not with love alone (because then a person can do anything and think and assume that God will love him all the same) but with a combination of love (We should be overwhelming in our love for Him), hope (since He is the One who is full of Mercy, and we hope He will forgive our mistakes and shortcomings) and fear (on the Day of Judgement, every person will stand before Allaah and account for his sins, knowing that not even the smallest action which he did is hidden from Allaah, and we remind ourselves of this Judgement and accountability and that should bring about in us a sense of fear).
A Muslim should always remember that Allah is watching everything he does, and that he will have to account for his deeds. This alone should prevent behaving in a manner against the guidance of Allah. Many present day problems in this world would disappear and new ones avoided, if everyone acted fully in accord with this belief.
This world is our test, and we will get our pass or fail marks from Allah on the Day of Judgement (which is true and not an analogy). Imagine if a teacher had a class. Some students worked really hard day and night, some didn't, and some didn't study the specified syllabus but studied whatever they fancied. The hard workers get top marks, the lazy ones get the lowest fail marks, as do those that studied the wrong thing, but the teacher, instead of giving them their correct marks, gives them all distinctions. Can you imagine? The teacher would be sacked, there would be national outcry as to how unjust and stupid the teacher is, and the school would be blacklisted. How would those who worked hard feel, knowing that those who did nothing have been given the same marks? Why did they bother working so hard? They would demand justice, and rightfully so.
Imagine a country, where criminals were, instead of jail, sent to stately mansion houses with gardens and servants. The judge declares he feels an overwhelming sense of love for this criminal despite his heinous crimes. Would this be right? That country's laws would be ridiculed by it's own people and other countries.
Justice and retribution is something so fundamental, important and basic, that even animals and children understand it. A toddler tries to walk and hits a table and cries and cries. It's mother tries to console it, to no avail. Until she hits the table and says bad table, naughty table, then the child begins to calm down. Annoy the monkeys at the zoo and see how they react to you. How is it, that babies understand justice, animals understand justice, societies and countries understand justice, schools understand justice, but God doesn't? How can that be? Please think abut it. Please don't let the wool be pulled over your eyes.
We cannot ascribe such unjust behaviour to Allah. While Allah is Loving and Forgiving, He is also Severe in punishment, yet He is Fair and Firm. Such is the perfectly balanced nature of Allah.
Unlike the scenario, Allah is not unjust in the least bit. Those who work hard and try their utmost to obey Allah and follow the guidance He sent, will not be treated the same as those who don't.
Allah is kind, loving, forgiving, clement, forbearing, pardoning, the merciful, but also the Just, and the stern in punishment, just like we should expect Him to be. There is none more perfect than He.
To end, I found a post from one of our respected members here, which I thought you should read:
"Many of us here (Myself included) said essentially the same words you are now saying, during our years following Paulism in the belief we were Christians. During our Christian years we loved and worshiped an idealistic man-made concept. After we came to Islam we learned to truly love Jesus(as) and not what we were told was Jesus(as).
When I was Christian I thought I loved Jesus(as), but after coming to Islam I came to truly Love Jesus(as)."
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The post before this might appear as the last one on the previous page, which is about the concept of a day of judgement, punishment and rewards, accountability, justice and retribution (in case it is missed)
Regarding Allah's mercy:
In our life in this world, Allah is merciful in various ways to all His creatures, whether they see it or not, whether they acknowledge it or not, whether they accept Him or reject Him, whether they accept Him but associate others such as Jesus (peace be upon him) in His Divinity, or whether they were hoping for a different "mercy" of their choosing.
It is a mercy for all that one can return to the straight path any time before death, as is the fact that Allah shows us His signs day and night for us to reflect, sends guidance for us, gives us chances throughout our life even if we repeatedly sin, and no matter how disobedient we are, He still gives us to eat and drink and lets us to go about our daily lives, the fact that we see and hear and talk and reason, all of these are mercies from His vast, unlimited, infinite Mercy that we cannot even begin to fathom.
The very first sentence in the Qur'an, as you begin to read it, is "In the name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate", and Muslims start every lawful act with this phrase, be that reciting the Qur'an, eating, entering the house or mosque, putting on clothes, any lawful act in fact, acknowledging His Kindness and Mercy and Compassion many, many times a day. It is one of the first phrases that children are taught and use on a practical basis daily from when they first learn to speak. From a young age, Muslims acknowledge Allah's Kindness, Mercy and Compassion.
The Prophet :saws: was also sent as a mercy for all the worlds:
And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds. (Surah al Anbiyaa' Surah 21 ayah 107)
The Prophet (peace be upon him) was indeed a mercy for all the world, but will people accept that, or reject the guidance from God that he came with? Will they reject the correction made by God, of people's wrong beliefs, e.g. about Jesus (peace be upon him)? God is indeed Rabbul 3alameen, but will people affirm that with their tongues but then continue to associate others (such as Jesus) in His Lordship and Divinity?
As I mentioned above, Allah is Kind, Loving, Forgiving, and Merciful, but also stern in punishment, yet fair, and the Most Just, as outlined in the Qur'an and hadeeth, from where we learn about Allah. Our sources for learning about Allah and His attributes, as you know, are the Qur'an and Hadeeth. The Qur'an contains verses that tell us that nobody shall be wronged by even such an amount as the tiny spot on a date stone, and also verses telling us Allah is Forgiving, Merciful, as well as stern but fair in punishment.
No Muslim should believe "how can Allah punish people in hell-fire?" Punishing in hell-fire in no way precludes Allah from being the Most Loving and Forgiving the likes of which we can never imagine. You must remember that Allah has a perfect balance of Love, Forgiveness, Kindness, Mercy, Fairness, Justness, and Firmness.
"And ordain for us in this world that which is good, and in the Hereafter (that which is good), certainly we have turned unto You." [Allah] said, "My punishment - I afflict with it whom I will, but My mercy encompasses all things." So I will decree it [especially] for those who fear Me and give zakah and those who believe in Our verses-
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful." (7:156-157)
Regarding Allah's mercy:
In our life in this world, Allah is merciful in various ways to all His creatures, whether they see it or not, whether they acknowledge it or not, whether they accept Him or reject Him, whether they accept Him but associate others such as Jesus (peace be upon him) in His Divinity, or whether they were hoping for a different "mercy" of their choosing.
It is a mercy for all that one can return to the straight path any time before death, as is the fact that Allah shows us His signs day and night for us to reflect, sends guidance for us, gives us chances throughout our life even if we repeatedly sin, and no matter how disobedient we are, He still gives us to eat and drink and lets us to go about our daily lives, the fact that we see and hear and talk and reason, all of these are mercies from His vast, unlimited, infinite Mercy that we cannot even begin to fathom.
The very first sentence in the Qur'an, as you begin to read it, is "In the name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate", and Muslims start every lawful act with this phrase, be that reciting the Qur'an, eating, entering the house or mosque, putting on clothes, any lawful act in fact, acknowledging His Kindness and Mercy and Compassion many, many times a day. It is one of the first phrases that children are taught and use on a practical basis daily from when they first learn to speak. From a young age, Muslims acknowledge Allah's Kindness, Mercy and Compassion.
The Prophet :saws: was also sent as a mercy for all the worlds:
And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds. (Surah al Anbiyaa' Surah 21 ayah 107)
The Prophet (peace be upon him) was indeed a mercy for all the world, but will people accept that, or reject the guidance from God that he came with? Will they reject the correction made by God, of people's wrong beliefs, e.g. about Jesus (peace be upon him)? God is indeed Rabbul 3alameen, but will people affirm that with their tongues but then continue to associate others (such as Jesus) in His Lordship and Divinity?
As I mentioned above, Allah is Kind, Loving, Forgiving, and Merciful, but also stern in punishment, yet fair, and the Most Just, as outlined in the Qur'an and hadeeth, from where we learn about Allah. Our sources for learning about Allah and His attributes, as you know, are the Qur'an and Hadeeth. The Qur'an contains verses that tell us that nobody shall be wronged by even such an amount as the tiny spot on a date stone, and also verses telling us Allah is Forgiving, Merciful, as well as stern but fair in punishment.
No Muslim should believe "how can Allah punish people in hell-fire?" Punishing in hell-fire in no way precludes Allah from being the Most Loving and Forgiving the likes of which we can never imagine. You must remember that Allah has a perfect balance of Love, Forgiveness, Kindness, Mercy, Fairness, Justness, and Firmness.
"And ordain for us in this world that which is good, and in the Hereafter (that which is good), certainly we have turned unto You." [Allah] said, "My punishment - I afflict with it whom I will, but My mercy encompasses all things." So I will decree it [especially] for those who fear Me and give zakah and those who believe in Our verses-
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful." (7:156-157)
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