war against islam or war on terrorism?

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you telling me that several thousand muslims are there and they dont even protest about the killings done in their name?

subhanallah that is a strange thing indeed.
 
Dawud_uk said:
you telling me that several thousand muslims are there and they dont even protest about the killings done in their name?

subhanallah that is a strange thing indeed.
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If there have been any protests I am unaware of them. The Masjid I attend has never made any mention of any upcoming protests. One reason I think is that localy there would be nobody to protest against. There is no reason to believe that the state of Texas is the cause of any actions by the Federal Government.

Texas is very accomadating to immigrants. Our representatives in the senate and congress are very much aware that many Texans are opposed to US involvement in the mid-east. Texas has pretty much of an established history of going in contrast to many of the States.


Our politicians are not blind followers of the doings of Washington DC



Our Congressmen

Barton, Joe, Texas, 6th
Bonilla, Henry, Texas, 23rd
Brady, Kevin, Texas, 8th
Burgess, Michael, Texas, 26th
Carter, John, Texas, 31st
Conaway, K. Michael, Texas, 11th
Cuellar, Henry, Texas, 28th
Culberson, John, Texas, 7th
DeLay, Tom, Texas, 22nd -- Vacancy
Doggett, Lloyd, Texas, 25th
Edwards, Chet, Texas, 17th
Gohmert, Louie, Texas 1st
Gonzalez, Charlie A., Texas, 20th
Granger, Kay, Texas, 12th
Green, Al, Texas, 9th
Green, Gene, Texas, 29th
Hall, Ralph M., Texas, 4th
Hensarling, Jeb, Texas, 5th
Hinojosa, Rubén, Texas, 15th
Jackson Lee, Sheila, Texas, 18th
Johnson, Eddie Bernice, Texas 30th
Johnson, Sam, Texas, 3rd
Marchant, Kenny, Texas, 24th
McCaul, Michael T., Texas, 10th
Neugebauer, Randy, Texas, 19th
Ortiz, Solomon P., Texas, 27th
Paul, Ron, Texas, 14th
Poe, Ted, Texas, 2nd
Reyes, Silvestre, Texas, 16th
Sessions, Pete, Texas, 32nd
Smith, Lamar, Texas, 21st
Thornberry, Mac, Texas, 13th




Our Senators


Cornyn, John- (R - TX) Class II
517 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-2934
Web Form: cornyn.senate.gov/contact/index.html

Hutchison, Kay Bailey- (R - TX) Class I
284 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5922
Web Form: hutchison.senate.gov/e-mail.htm

I list their names so you can verify that you do not see most of them in the news as Bush Supporters.

Keep in mind much of Texas is closer to the Capitals of Cuba, Belize, Guatamala and Mexico then to the capital of the USA. The people are very well in tune with the picture the world see's of Americans on the whole and we do our best to show that is not what Americans are like.
 
Mr. Baldy said:
i dont have time to rad all the repsonses, so sorry if this has already been said.

Tony blair called islam 'an evil ideology', george bush called practicing muslims 'islamofacists'... and both have admitted that this is clearly a war on islamic ideaology. really, how can there be any doubt that this is a war on islam.
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please provide a source for these statements
 
Woodrow said:
If there have been any protests I am unaware of them. The Masjid I attend has never made any mention of any upcoming protests. One reason I think is that localy there would be nobody to protest against. There is no reason to believe that the state of Texas is the cause of any actions by the Federal Government.

Texas is very accomadating to immigrants. Our representatives in the senate and congress are very much aware that many Texans are opposed to US involvement in the mid-east. Texas has pretty much of an established history of going in contrast to many of the States.


Our politicians are not blind followers of the doings of Washington DC



Our Congressmen

Barton, Joe, Texas, 6th
Bonilla, Henry, Texas, 23rd
Brady, Kevin, Texas, 8th
Burgess, Michael, Texas, 26th
Carter, John, Texas, 31st
Conaway, K. Michael, Texas, 11th
Cuellar, Henry, Texas, 28th
Culberson, John, Texas, 7th
DeLay, Tom, Texas, 22nd -- Vacancy
Doggett, Lloyd, Texas, 25th
Edwards, Chet, Texas, 17th
Gohmert, Louie, Texas 1st
Gonzalez, Charlie A., Texas, 20th
Granger, Kay, Texas, 12th
Green, Al, Texas, 9th
Green, Gene, Texas, 29th
Hall, Ralph M., Texas, 4th
Hensarling, Jeb, Texas, 5th
Hinojosa, Rubén, Texas, 15th
Jackson Lee, Sheila, Texas, 18th
Johnson, Eddie Bernice, Texas 30th
Johnson, Sam, Texas, 3rd
Marchant, Kenny, Texas, 24th
McCaul, Michael T., Texas, 10th
Neugebauer, Randy, Texas, 19th
Ortiz, Solomon P., Texas, 27th
Paul, Ron, Texas, 14th
Poe, Ted, Texas, 2nd
Reyes, Silvestre, Texas, 16th
Sessions, Pete, Texas, 32nd
Smith, Lamar, Texas, 21st
Thornberry, Mac, Texas, 13th




Our Senators


Cornyn, John- (R - TX) Class II
517 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-2934
Web Form: cornyn.senate.gov/contact/index.html

Hutchison, Kay Bailey- (R - TX) Class I
284 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5922
Web Form: hutchison.senate.gov/e-mail.htm

I list their names so you can verify that you do not see most of them in the news as Bush Supporters.

Keep in mind much of Texas is closer to the Capitals of Cuba, Belize, Guatamala and Mexico then to the capital of the USA. The people are very well in tune with the picture the world see's of Americans on the whole and we do our best to show that is not what Americans are like.
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I don't know that I would say "much" of Texas is closer to the capitals of Cuba, Belize, etc. Texas is a very patriotic and pro-military state. Most of Texas is not that much different that Oklahoma, Kansas, or New Mexico. There are many immigrants in Texas, and that is obviously going to have an impact on the political dynamics of the major cities, especially Austin, which is known to be the most liberal city in Texas.
By the way, what is the deal with Joe Barton and why is Don Imus attacking him constantly? Something to do with autism legislation I believe, but I don't know the details.
 
Dawud_uk said:
i didnt move her, i was born here and here i will remain trying to help my fellow man to lift themselves out of the ignorance and filth that is calling itself civilisation in the west.

Abu Abdullah
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why make such statements about the west? Have you ever been to America and lived here for a while? If so you would know already that this is no war against Islam at all. If anything it is these Islamic extremist that have waged a war against the west for what they consider our "ignorance and filth". If enough people want an Islamic state than they will have one, and you know what? The people who dont want it can just leave and live somewhere in a country they support. No one cares about what your religion is in the west, no one cares about your own ideologies or beliefs. "You live your life and i will live mine" is the mindset. This is not ignorance, it is actually quite the opposite, it is an understanding of other people cultures. Agree or disagree with them. Regarding your original post though, this is not a war against Islam, it is a war against extremist who have a distorted perception of Islam and use it as a cloak to get people like you on their side. If everyone could just realize that it isnt right to blow yourself up or other people or cars, etc. and kill indiscriminately, the war would probably already be over. The extremist would have no backing and therefore the world would come down on them, but as long as people believe that there is this "grand conspiracy" against Islam or for oil or control of land or whatever, the war will never be over, and your kids and mine will live and die in it, just like you and I probably eventually will. Because i can tell you now neither side of this will ever give up. America doesnt lose wars
 
Emir Aziz said:
I mean Kading ,you and all the Non-Muslims here,will you like Islamists being elected by Muslim populations in Muslim countries?I don't think so.
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sorry to butt in but why would we care if a muslim state elected a muslim leader. If i am not mistaken we the US may have a muslim in the senate this year
 
i dont agree with it either, i have met alot of muslims in the last months, and i am in charlotte nc and they also are very well educated and have no problems with our government or way of life
 
Yes Texas is very Patriotic. And very Military oriented. Keep in mind not only US troops have been trained in Texas. Many of the Saudi, Turkish and Moroccan Air Force Pilots were trained here. Back in the 60's much of Iran and Iraq's Military also received training here. In the 50s when I was in flight school we also had cadets from Viet-nam, Thailand and Malaysia

Austin is probably the most open minded Texas city. We refuse to claim Dallas those people are misplaced Yankees.


But, historicaly it was not that long ago that Texas won it's independance. Plus with our huge diverse population, much of it immigrants, Texas is very understanding of fair play and does not cater to any bullying even if it is by Washington DC.

About Joe Barton and Don Imus I am not too certain as to why Don is after Joe. The Autism funding bill is the issue, but it seems to be more of a personal thing they are making public.

Actually it is much of Texas that is closer to those capitals than to DC. That is Texas south of Austin. Then again keep in mind Dallas is closer to Chicago Illinois then it is to El Paso Texas. It is a long trip from the southernmost part of Texas to the Northern most part.

Although I like to brag about Texas. Every State is very Unique. I believe that is a concept many non-Americans do not understand. There is probably more differences between people from California and Arkansas than there is say between People from the UK and Turkey.

actually it is probably because of this diversity so many people from other nations choose to come to the US. It is possible to find an area very similar to any other country in terms of scenery, language and political views.

A lot of this I mention to show that each state is very independent and what happens in Washington is not necessarly the official view of each state. Our political system in washington reflects the views of the majority of the people and not all of the people. What keeps the US from being 50 seperate countries is the fact that all fifty states will come to the aid of any one state.
 
i am from yorkshire which is also very independent minded and like to think of themselves as unique.

however that means we just use every opportunity we get to tell the govt how crap a job they are doing and that includes killing lots of my brothers and sisters in iraq and afghanistan.

i dont know how i would stand in front of Allah and say i had the opportunity to at least speak against this evil and didnt bother doing so, subhanallah it is a strange thing that others dont feel the same way.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
As for Dallas being Yankees...I don't know about that, but I know the majority of them can't seem to follow simple traffic rules. Worst place to drive to work in America.
 
Dawud_uk said:
i am from yorkshire which is also very independent minded and like to think of themselves as unique.

however that means we just use every opportunity we get to tell the govt how crap a job they are doing and that includes killing lots of my brothers and sisters in iraq and afghanistan.

i dont know how i would stand in front of Allah and say i had the opportunity to at least speak against this evil and didnt bother doing so, subhanallah it is a strange thing that others dont feel the same way.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
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Sometimes the strong protest is the one that is least like a protest.


The people here are opposed to the killing of Muslims, not because Muslims are out in the street brandishing banners and placards, but because Muslims are showing a visible attitude of peace and justice. To take to the streets in demonstrations would not show the injustice being done to innocent people, it would be a sign of the alleged volitity and instability of Muslims. In this area that type of protest would not only be counter productive it would more likely instigate justification for more killing.

It is not wise to stage a protest that can be seen as a condemnation of the very people who are in agreement with you. It is far more effective that people reach the conclusion of injustice based on what they see, not on what is being shouted at them.

We do protest, but not in the sense of taking to the streets as we would only be seen by the people that are already in agreement. Our protests take the form of living as Muslims. Treating all people fairly and letting people know that Muslims are Human too.

Perhaps that approach would not work were you live, but it works here and a fringe benefit is the reverts are on an almost daily bases. 15 years ago one Mosque in Austin was too big for the Muslim population today 5 are not enough. The 2 largest ones are in huge expansion projects right now. All of this growth is not just due to more immigrants it also reflects the number of Austinites that are reverting.
 
Keltoi said:
As for Dallas being Yankees...I don't know about that, but I know the majority of them can't seem to follow simple traffic rules. Worst place to drive to work in America.
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The Yankee part might be a bit extreme. It isn't their fault they "tawk lik N'yorkers"

You are right about the driving there. My oldest Daughter lives in Dallas, an I will not drive in Dallas.


Dallas also has a large Muslim poplation in the Garland area. They are a bit isolated from much of Dallas and they do have some problems there. Dallas is not as acceptive of Muslims as Austin is. Although the over all population of Austin is probably one tenth the population of Dallas I believe more Muslims live in Austin, for that reason. Houston probably has the largest Muslim Population in Texas. However, nearly all of the Muslims there are South of the NASA Space center. There seems to be very little intermingling. The Muslim community there seems to be very self sustaing and not dependent on Houston Jobs, although Many do work at the Space Center or as Cty Employees.
 
Wether the war is aimed at power and money or the destruction of a people the war is hurting the followers of islam therefore the aim may be whatever they wish there words may say what they will but this war affects mainly the followers of the quran therefore its is a war on islam one way or another...
 
sorry to butt in but why would we care if a muslim state elected a muslim leader.
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well you see you may not care but some western governments do care.
 
I don't know what Bush's intentions are, but I am not fond of the idea that was suggested of islam taking control of vaste areas of the earth. I am not fond of any group setting up any kind of "empire" for that matter. I will fight and oppose this whether it be islam, multi-national corportations, or any other.
 
This is war against Islam clearlyy

It has always been from the beginning of Islam

Wake up fellow muslims or so called muslim speaking for the muslim community.

I am not extremist or any like that but i have my eye open

Peaceeeee
 
Who is the larger threat to Islam? Those who commit terrorist atrocities in the name of Islam and Jihad and by effect bring the military wrath of the largest military power in the world down upon the countries they inhabit? Or the world powers who are forced to react to obvious provocation? I'm not talking about Iraq here, that was a war of choice by President Bush and had nothing to do with the War on Terror...at least in hindsight. What we are all really talking about is the War on Terror and language used by some American and British politicians. I don't believe Blair ever said Islam was "an evil ideology"...I'm sure he said the terrorists have an evil ideology. Bush didn't call practicing Muslims "Islamofascists"...he described the ideology of the terrorist enemy. There seems to be a concerted effort by many Muslims to create a War on Islam, and many of these include terrorists.
 
The largest threat to Islam is the non-islamic ideology that is trying to be pushed and implemented amongst the muslim land under guise of Democracy.

Don't worry brother Dawud I agree with you..
 
I often here the idea that it is a "War against Islam" but that is usually from people that live outside the US and outside the mideastern countries most affected,

The many Iranian Immigrants that live here in the US do not see it as a war on Islam. The same goes for those from Iraq and Afghanistan.

It seems to be paradoxal that so many Muslims from those countries are migrating to the US, if the war really is against Islam and not against terrorists.

Some Immigration facts:

Socioeconomic Overview of Foreign-Born Iranians in the United States:
Three in every five Iranian immigrants were naturalized US citizens.
Over 90 percent of the Iranian foreign born spoke a language other than English at home.
The majority of the Iranian born had a bachelor's degree or higher.
Nearly two-thirds of the Iranian foreign born participated in the labor force.
More than half of the Iranian immigrant population were employed in management, professional, and related occupations.
The self-employment rate of the Iranian foreign born was almost double the rate for the total foreign-born population.
In 2000, the median income for Iranian-born males and females who were full-time, year-round workers was $52,333 and $36,422, respectively.
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Over half of all Iranian immigrants lived in the state of California in 2000.
While all 50 states received Iranian immigrants according to Census 2000, 55.9 percent (158,613) lived in California. The states with the next-largest Iranian immigrant populations were New York (17,323 or 6.1 percent), Texas (15,581 or 5.5 percent), Virginia (10,889 or 3.8 percent), and Maryland (9,733 or 3.4 percent).



The metropolitan areas with the most Iranian immigrants were Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York City, and the Washington, DC-Baltimore metropolitan area.
In 2000, 41 percent (114,712) of the Iranian foreign born resided in Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County, 10 percent (27,112) in San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, eight percent (21,971) in New York City, and seven percent (19,726) in the Washington, DC-Baltimore metropolitan area. The next three largest destinations were San Diego (7,675), Dallas (6,376), and Houston (6,287), respectively.
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At the Present time Iranians migrate to the US at the rate of 5,000 per year. Another 15,000 enter as non-immigrants and intend to return to Iran.

Source: http://www.migrationinformation.org/Refugees/

I emphasised Iran because that was the country I could find the most Accurate information about.

However there are many Muslims immigrating from other countries to here:

The most recent figures of Muslim immigrants in the US are:

The First number is in thousands, the second number is percentage of Muslims in US.

So the South Asians are 1,220,000 and mke up 24.4% of the Muslim immigrants to the US

South Asians 1,220 24.4 South-Asians: Those of Indian/Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, or Afghan descent now residing in the United States as citizens or permanent residents.

Arabs 620 12.4 Arabs: People from Arabic-speaking countries of the Middle East and North Africa who are permanent residents or citizens of the United States.

Africans 260 5.2 Africans: People from the African continent who are citizens or permanent residents of the United States

Iranians 180 3.6 Iranians: People of Persian descent, usually from Iran, who are citizens or permanent residents.

Turks 120 2.4 Turkish: People of Turkish descent who are citizens ro permanent residents.

South East Asians 100 2.0 South East Asians: People of Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Indochina, or the Phillippines.

Source: http://www.islam101.com/history/population2_usa.html

Those people that are coming to the US from Islamic Nations do not believe the War is a War against Islam

Yes, we did make a huge mistake in Iraq and yes our President is a very poor speaker and he has no idea what he is saying. His words even shock most Americans. To be honest when I listen to the little shrub talking I understand why so many non-Americans believe America is waging war on Islam.
 

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