Western perception of niqaab

[Whatsthepoint]

Seems to me people in the UK have a huge problem with niqaabis. It's not as bad in the US. Whats funny is Britain is supposed to be multicultural lol.

That's exactly what the article is about. where are the boundaries of multiculturalism? Hijab, niqab, spitting..?

 

[Zafran]

As there been a poll done about the Niqab in Britian as the article only shows "matthews" opnion.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Lefties - so do you have the "right wing" perception?

Actually, I'm extremely liberal, except when it comes to immigration and multiculturalism.
The fact is that at current imigration and birth rates Muslims will in a few decades represent a significant percentage of the European population, perhaps even become the majority, some Muslims even brag about it. Now that's not something I'd like hence immigration should be ceased or at least limited and radicalism and radical religion discouraged.

 

[Zafran]

Actually, I'm extremely liberal, except when it comes to immigration and multiculturalism.
The fact is that at current imigration and birth rates Muslims will in a few decades represent a significant percentage of the European population, perhaps even become the majority, some Muslims even brag about it. Now that's not something I'd like hence immigration should be ceased or at least limited and radicalism and radical religion discouraged.

That seems rightwing. Your panicking - would you deem yourself as a Islamaphobe?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

That seems rightwing. Your panicking - would you deem yourself as a Islamaphobe?

It is, I said I have different opinions on different issues, some left, some right.
I have a slight phobia of Muslims overtaking Europe someday and turning it into a caliphate. Otherwise I'm all pro tolerance and acceptance, I have some issues with the niqab, which I explained before, but otherwise I like most Muslims.

 

[Zafran]

It is, I said I have different opinions on different issues, some left, some right.
I have a slight phobia of Muslims overtaking Europe someday and turning it into a caliphate. Otherwise I'm all pro tolerance and acceptance, I have some issues with the niqab, which I explained before, but otherwise I like most Muslims.

Your last post was preety Islamaphobic - the whole birth rates and mass expansion of Muslims - similar to a lot of Islamaphobic anti Muslim stuff - being against Multiculturalism

I'm extremely liberal, except when it comes to immigration and multiculturalism.

anti multiculturalism is always a big factor of the right wing.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Your last post was preety Islamaphobic - the whole birth rates and mass expansion of Muslims - similar to a lot of Islamaphobic anti Muslim stuff - being against Multiculturalism



anti multiculturalism is always a big fact of the right wing.

I'm not against multiculturalism per se, but it shouldn't be unlimited, if that makes me a right wing, so be it. Also, not wanting my continent being taken over by foreigners is not islamophobic.

 

[Zafran]

QUOTE=Whatsthepoint;1159324]I'm not against multiculturalism per se, but it shouldn't be unlimited, if that makes me a right wing, so be it. Also, not wanting my continent being taken over by foreigners is not islamophobic.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Multiculturalism doesnt just talk about muslims or any specific culture - but a wide range of cultures - furthermore ok you dont want you country being taken over by "foreigners" (immigaration) but what about the multicultural people like Inidans, Blacks, Muslims and others who are not foreigners but British or citiznes and part of the country/continent - multiculturalism includes these people.

 

[S_87]

I'm not against multiculturalism per se, but it shouldn't be unlimited, if that makes me a right wing, so be it. Also, not wanting my continent being taken over by foreigners is not islamophobic.

your continent? mg:

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I'm not against multiculturalism per se, but it shouldn't be unlimited, if that makes me a right wing, so be it. Also, not wanting my continent being taken over by foreigners is not islamophobic.[/QUOTE]

Multiculturalism doesnt just talk about muslims or any specific culture - but a wide range of cultures - furthermore ok you dont want you country being taken over by "foreigners" (immigaration) but what about the multicultural people like Inidans, Blacks, Muslims and others who are not foreigners but British or citiznes and part of the country - multiculturalism includes these people.

I know it does and it goes for everyone that it shouldn't be unlimited. People who are already here should be allowed to live according to their culture, as long as it doesn't contradict the laws. The issue of niqaab is that it may pose a safety concern as well as face and eye contact are such a basic part of our culture that it doesn't seem right

 

[Whatsthepoint]

your continent? mg:

My ancestor's continent. Europe is mine and not yours the same way Palestine is Arab and not jewish.
Unless of couse you're a convert or something..

 

[Zafran]

I know it does and it goes for everyone that it shouldn't be unlimited. People who are already here should be allowed to live according to their culture, as long as it doesn't contradict the laws. The issue of niqaab is that it may pose a safety concern as well as face and eye contact are such a basic part of our culture that it doesn't seem right

what do you mean by our culture? You said that

People who are already here should be allowed to live according to their culture,

so if Niqab is there culture then they should be allowed to practice it as long as they dont break the law.

You are from Europe - are from the UK?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Worry not, oh niqaabis! Britains is multicultural and diverse, Diversity have even convinced Simon Cowell.

 

[S_87]

My ancestor's continent. Europe is mine and not yours the same way Palestine is Arab and not jewish.
Unless of couse you're a convert or something..

i dont see judaism as a race but a religion...and no im not a convert nor was i born in Europe makes me wonder who places like america and australia truly belong to :?

 

[Zafran]

My ancestor's continent. Europe is mine and not yours the same way Palestine is Arab and not jewish.
Unless of couse you're a convert or something..

No thats not how it works - what if I was born here and have a citizenship of the country i live in that country - its my country - continent is questionable as the UK may not want to be actively part of the EU.

 

[Intisar]

i dont see judaism as a race but a religion...and no im not a convert nor was i born in Europe makes me wonder who places like america and australia truly belong to :?

Well it's a bit different since they slaughtered the natives and took over the land, the same thing hasn't happened in the UK cause the natives of the country rule over it and they didn't take it from someone else.

 

[Zafran]

i dont see judaism as a race but a religion...and no im not a convert nor was i born in Europe makes me wonder who places like america and australia truly belong to :?

Hes from Europe without doubt - the americans dont have that problem and Australia does not see itslef as a conitent. The Islamaphobia in europe is rising as are the extreme rightwing is. - I'm guessing Holland the country of Geert Wilders

 

[Whatsthepoint]

what do you mean by our culture? You said that



so if Niqab is there culture then they should be allowed to practice it as long as they dont break the law.

You are from Europe - are from the UK?

Well, culture is ahrd to define, its culture. And yes you're right, they should, but businesses and public institutions shouldn't be requirred to accomodate to them, and everywhere masks and hoodies are banned, niqabis should be as well.
I'm not. I nag a lot about british niqaabis for a continental.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

i dont see judaism as a race but a religion...and no im not a convert nor was i born in Europe makes me wonder who places like america and australia truly belong to :?

I meant Israelis.
Who does Palestine belong to? Arabs weren't the first either.

 

[Zafran]

Well, culture is ahrd to define, its culture. And yes you're right, they should, but businesses and public institutions shouldn't be requirred to accomodate to them, and everywhere masks and hoodies are banned, niqabis should be as well.
I'm not. I nag a lot about british niqaabis for a continental.

Yes they should atleast in the UK - especially if she or he is a customer and i havent heard of a single act in the UK anyway about the threat of the Niqabi other then "Matthews" opnion - nobody cares about the "continent" as the UK may not be an active helper of the EU anyway.