What happens to Muslims who leave Islam?

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wilberhum said:
I think they chose what was most logical to them. :skeleton:
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no, they chose what they felt like and fed their lust.

If your staunch on your disbelief now then without a doubt there was a day when you pondered if there really was a God but your sins grew and grew so now to you logic states that the existence of God is as likely as flyingspeggetiblah :rollseyes but theres others who have always been trying their best to control their desires holding back on wordly pleasures, doing things for the sake of God and to those people whos hearts God has allowed to remain pure, logic clearly states that there is a God and to say otherwise is foolish.
 
Logic tells one person one thing, and another person something else? Given the same data? That doesn't make sense.

Maybe if we have different data it would. Like if God appeared to you in person (ie, more than just a feeling and a holy book - an actual personal encounter) and not to me.

But otherwise, I think its a matter of priorities, pressures, and programming.
 
There is room for what is or is not logical to be debated. If someone leaves Islam, and becomes a Jew, they aren't denying God. They aren't "feeding their lust." They are trying to honor God in the way they think is best. We can argue about whether or not they are right, but their intentions are good.
I find it incredibly disturbing that people who leave Islam must fear for their lives. I don't know if this says more about Islam or more about the cultures of certain countries, but it doesn't give me much hope for future peaceful co-existence.
I find this issue important because I have made a similar switch with no repercussions. I was raised in a fundamentalist Christian family and was taught that Catholics are going to hell. When I was 20, I converted to Catholicism. My family was unhappy with it, but they have not disowned me or treated me any differently at all. Muslims should do the same.
 
But isn't that going against your religious scripture and beliefs?


Besides - the person who leaves Islaam does so either out of ignorance, or out of rebellion. The person has the right to ask any questions which he/she is unsure about, and they will be clarified and answered in detail for them. And the praise is for God/Allaah that Islaam makes total sense and is logical. Also - the punishment can only be applied within an Islamic State and no-one can apply the punishment except as a last resort, and this is done by the judge.


And Allaah knows best.



Regards.
 
August said:
I find this issue important because I have made a similar switch with no repercussions. I was raised in a fundamentalist Christian family and was taught that Catholics are going to hell. When I was 20, I converted to Catholicism. My family was unhappy with it, but they have not disowned me or treated me any differently at all. Muslims should do the same.
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I don't want to get involved in the meat of the thread, but the underlined statement caught my eye.

I will thus ask, why should Muslims do the same?

The reason I ask is that, if Islam is the right religion then they should go by it, if it teaches the death of apostates then it's logical that they should go by that on the same hand if another religion is right then the followers should go by what they are commanded. That is how I understand it, so the above statement would indicate to me that you think Muslims should do what the Christians done because if Islam teaches death to apostates it's wrong?
 
I just had a post deleted by Al Habeshi, trying to answer the above question he/she posed. No reason was given for the censorship and the point is an important one so I'll try to rephrase.

That is how I understand it, so the above statement would indicate to me that you think Muslims should do what the Christians done because if Islam teaches death to apostates it's wrong?
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Yes, that is exactly what I think. If this is the message you are getting, that people should be killed for switching away from your beliefs, then that message is very very wrong. Religion should not be used to justify homocide. And when it is, I like the person you quoted am left worrying about any chance of peaceful co-existence.
 
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Oh wait, my apologies to Habeshi, it appears my post was not deleted (I stand corrected) but moved? It showed up in another thread. Weird.
 
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Maybe this thread has continued long enough. The orginal aim was to know would happen to a Muslim who left Islam.

Maybe I made a mistake of delving into trying to understand points and questioning and so forth, which in turn led answers on whether Morality is to be taken from God without any apparent attachment to the topic, rather a more general aspect. Where as I felt that it would have been ok for me to pose the question to August since it was interwined with the topic, i.e. apostacy.

But anyhow,

Pygoscelis I see you have posted a reply, I think that your reply is interesting and what I expected, and I have yet to await August's reply and see whether she would reply similarly.

And Pygoscelis I apologise for any confusion but I hope you kind of see what I meant, anyhow, at least now I know people think that I would censure others when I cant handle their arguements, man I gotta change that prespective of me. But no need to apologise ;)

Regards,

Eesa
 
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Al Habeshi said:
I will thus ask, why should Muslims do the same?
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Because that is ultimately the only way we can coexist. As a Christian, I can't regard Muslim nations that do this kind of thing as legitimate, because they are not respecting freedom of thought and religious expression, which I view as a necessity for democracy. It also brings into question just how much immigration from Muslims we can allow into the US, if they refuse to respect the constitutional rights of their fellow Muslims, rights that include leaving Islam. I know they aren't supposed to use violence to stop people from leaving Islam, but it happens all too often.
 
wilberhum said:
Isn't that the stance of every religion? :?
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No, :) because some religions don't make sense whereas Islaam does alhamdulillah (the praise is for Allaah.)

So the person either leaves out of ignorance [i.e. most people who leave islaam are the people who have little knowledge about the religion and may have heard misconceptions so they leave without looking into the true explanation/teaching] or they do it out of rebellion [i.e. they do so because the truth is clear, yet they don't want to submit themselves to God.]
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
No, :) because some religions don't make sense whereas Islaam does alhamdulillahQUOTE]
Again the same stance as everyone else. They are wrong because a, b, c ........... we are right because of 1, 2, 3............... Da de da and tra la ls.
Agnostics are the only ones that make sence. :thumbs_up
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This thread has reached the end of any usefull debate.

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Salaam/peace ,


wilberhum said:
You can quote Islam.
I will quote Muslims.
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i can give u many examples where ex-Christians ( new Muslims ) came under torture .

Christians threw bomb on the ex-Priest home & his kid died. No one bashes Jesus (p) or Christianity because of it . So , no one should put blame on Islam if Muslims do any wrong.

 
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Salaam/peace ,


Pygoscelis said:
Just once and for all, so I don't leave this thread with any misunderstandings -

Islam actually tells you to kill apostates or not?
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yes & no :)


yes if they spread hatred against God , try to harm Muslims , create unrest in the society etc.

NO if they follow their new religion peacefully & don't try to create unrest among Muslims/ agaisnt Muslims .

 
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Salaam/peace ,


Zulkiflim said:
Salaam,

Wll it happened in my famly...well almost

We found out and simply told them,never come here again..

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a question came in to mind . If we abandon our ex-Muslim family members , then they won't have any choice but to mix with non-Muslims more.

Should not we try our best to bring them back home & teach them more about Islam ?



 
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Salaam/peace ,




i can give u many examples where ex-Christians ( new Muslims ) came under torture .

Christians threw bomb on the ex-Priest home & his kid died. No one bashes Jesus (p) or Christianity because of it . So , no one should put blame on Islam if Muslims do any wrong.
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I only blame those that do wrong. I don't remember saying anything about Mohammad.
 
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