Who am I to Allah and Jesus?

[Woodrow]

To us it makes no difference, which way we turn when we pray. We are free to pray anytime anywhere, and God hears us. I wouldn't want to restrict my pet much less my child from calling on me when anytime in need. If I can show that much love and concern, how much more loving and merciful is my God? We believe in God (Allah), but that is not enough the devils believe too.
We believe we are already living in the last days, which started with Jesus, but the last day is when Jesus returns. We believe also in the existence of angels. We believe the Books of the Bible and the messages of the Prophets. We believe in providing for our own families (relatives) orphans, helpless, needy travelers, and those who ask for and on freeing the captives. We believe in the power of prayer. We believe that it is important to keep our word because god does not delight in fools. But we do not put our faith in prophets, angels, any good works that we can do. We believe we are save by faith through grace and that is not of ourselves; it is a gift of God; otherwise, we would be able to boast and say I did. We believe that Jesus is born of a virgin and was sinless from birth till now. That is why He is much more important to us than any other prophet who lived.

When you are in a Church do you not face the pulpit or alter? to us the entire Earth is a Mosque so when we pray we all face towards the same alter or pulpit for the same reason you do when in church.

Yes we are free to pray anytime we choose. We just have 5 obligatory prayers that must be said at specific times. the restriction on not praying doing those 2 times simply means they are not the times we can say the obligatory prayers.

We also believe this:

We believe we are save by faith through grace and that is not of ourselves; it is a gift of God;

only we do believe it is through Allah(swt) alone with no intermediaries and no other person except through Allah(swt) alone. Only Allah(swt) has the power to forgive sins and it is only Him do we worship and ask for forgiveness.

It saddens me to see you do not believe Allah(swt) is powerful enough to forgive sins.

 

[Redeemed]

When you are in a Church do you not face the pulpit or alter? to us the entire Earth is a Mosque so when we pray we all face towards the same alter or pulpit for the same reason you do when in church.

Yes we are free to pray anytime we choose. We just have 5 obligatory prayers that must be said at specific times. the restriction on not praying doing those 2 times simply means they are not the times we can say the obligatory prayers.

We also believe this:



only we do believe it is through Allah(swt) alone with no intermediaries and no other person except through Allah(swt) alone. Only Allah(swt) has the power to forgive sins and it is only Him do we worship and ask for forgiveness.

It saddens me to see you do not believe Allah(swt) is powerful enough to forgive sins.

Why should Allah forgive you or me for that matter? You might tell me because He is merciful. He is merciful; however, He is also just. We believe that His justice will not allow you or me to escape the punishment for our wickedness such as our sins in the past, present and future. “For the wages of sin is death (eternal separation from God in hell forever), but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ.” Why such as a gift? Because God loves us He allowed Jesus to take our sentence of death so that He instead became the curse and sin for us so that we could have His righteousness before God. On the judgment day, I will stand before God in the same righteousness of Jesus, but you will stand in your own righteousness. Do not be saddened for me. My name as I write to you is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. “How can we hope to escape the judgment of God if we neglect so great a salvation?” This is why I will not revert. We are free in Christ. There are no obligatory prayers or fasts for us we are free. That is bondage. We are free from religious tradition and formalities. We don't have religion we have a relationship with God in where He considers us friends, because our sins have been washed clean by the blood of the Lamb. The angel of death will claim all who don't have their hearts covered by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus) just like the death angel claimed the first born of every home that didn't have the door post of their house marked with lamb's blood. Jesus said, “Behold I stand at the door and knock if any man hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him and sup with him.”

 

[Kashnowe]

Grass is green because it is envious of trees which are much taller and don't get stepped on like grass does. Trees don't get mowed every week in the summertime and sprayed with Weed-be-gone. No, not really I think it is beacause it is filled with chlorophyll not cholroform. If God so clothes the grass which is here today and gone tomorrow, think of how much He cares for us.

whoaaaaaa this is getting a little carried away. iwas just trying to show that the previous arguments over right and wrong were fruitless. each side firmly believes in their faith. (not trying to be mean but duh!) i think most of us are merely here to learn and share not to argue.

so yes grass is not r eally green. it is made up of particles that our eyes percieve to be green when the light reflects off of them.....but for some people when the light hits the grass they see red.

hrm whatever......

can't we all just get along ))

 

[Woodrow]

whoaaaaaa this is getting a little carried away. iwas just trying to show that the previous arguments over right and wrong were fruitless. each side firmly believes in their faith. (not trying to be mean but duh!) i think most of us are merely here to learn and share not to argue.

so yes grass is not r eally green. it is made up of particles that our eyes percieve to be green when the light reflects off of them.....but for some people when the light hits the grass they see red.

hrm whatever......

can't we all just get along ))

Actually it is because we do get along that we disagree so strongly. If I viewed alapiana as an enemy I would simply let him speak until he runs out of breath and ignore him. But, I see him as a person who does have a sincere desire to serve Allah(swt) and He is aware of the message of Islam. He is making a free choice and does not fully understand the consequences of his choice.

But, you are right it is a pointless arguement,

 

[Woodrow]

After reviewing this thread very deeply and looking over some PMs I have recieved concrning this. I have to agree the thread is serving no purpose and is rapidly becoming offensive to both Muslim and Non-Muslim members.

Also the purpose of this forum is to promote and educate about Islam. This thread is doing neither. It is simply a "I'm right- You are wrong argument" that has no end.

Far better to let it end before it goes any further.

 

[Umar001]

I agree with my pastor who said there are divine truths that cannot be fully understood within our time-space frame reference. In other words, our time-space use of logic cannot reduce God's oneness and threeness into rational terms. That is what Muslims try to do when they attempt to explain away the nature of God according to the Bible. They say it is impossible for Jesus to be the Mighty God and the Word of God or where even Jesus refers to himself as the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit (Isa, 9:6, Gal.2:20, John 14:23). God has given us time-space logic for our wise use, but trying to force God into our framework has led to heresies such as the Jehovah's Witness that only acknowledge Jesus as God's Son and the Father as the only true God or the Muslims that say we worship three gods. God can defy logic. He does when there are miracles; moreover, we would be foolish to believe that the One who created time and space cannot function outside of that framework. Jesus was without sin. There has never been any body in this world in the past, present or future that that can be said about. Just because something comes from a reliable source, that in it self does not make it true, and just because some has been tempered with does mean that it can’t be used as evidence because there are always the original texts to compare these manipulations to. If it were just one or two verses in the Bible that say Jesus is the Son of God, then you would have something, But the Bible is replete with who Jesus is and constantly alludes to His deity. “If any man thirst let him come unto me and drink. He that believes in me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.” Jn. 7:37 He also said, you neither know me, nor my Father: if you had known me, you should have known my Father also. It is clear to me according to the Bible. Jesus is saying that no one has a relationship with the Creator outside of Himself and no one can even come to Christ unless Allah draws him. For it is written all things were made by Him (JESUS) and for Him.

If only you would take time to speak and establish proofs, for example, you claim:

They say it is impossible for Jesus to be the Mighty God and the Word of God or where even Jesus refers to himself as the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit (Isa, 9:6, Gal.2:20, John 14:23).

Noone of those verses show Jesus claiming to be the Father, Glory be to God, for many believe in him but associate others with him.

As for that whole speech, it misses the point. I as a muslim do not confine God, if you knew but the fundamentals of the islamic faith you'd know this is not for a Muslim to do, rather, just as we dont speak to kids in the 5th Grade with language used at a labatory at Nasa, because the kid's would not understand, it is only reasonable to expect God to make the basics clear to us.

Anyhow this is not of great importance.

I didn't say you didn't believe in Allah. It is written, "The devils believe in God; they fear and Tremble" too. Oh long will you halt between two opinions if you believe in God serve Him. Your having a low tolerance for preaching is not my problem. I am to obey and submit to God not man.

You claim to submit to God, but instead of doing that you submit to scripture which there is no valid reason to submit to, rather, you submit to your feelings and desires!

I have tasted and seen that the Lord is good. That is why I do not hungry for anything else.

I have experience those rewards. That is why I cannot be snatch out of His hand.

That is what you submit to, feelings which you have no proof are from God. They just keep you satisfied.

I believe you do pray for God(swt) to deliver you from deception and that you are now on the path to be freed from it. You seem to be very close and are trying to cast aside the last few ropes that are keeping you emotionally bound to your errors.

Someone can pray for guidance night and day, but unless they use what God gave them they shall never be guided.

We believe in God (Allah), but that is not enough the devils believe too.
We believe we are already living in the last days, which started with Jesus, but the last day is when Jesus returns. We believe also in the existence of angels. We believe the Books of the Bible and the messages of the Prophets. We believe in providing for our own families (relatives) orphans, helpless, needy travelers, and those who ask for and on freeing the captives. We believe in the power of prayer. We believe that it is important to keep our word because god does not delight in fools. But we do not put our faith in prophets, angels, any good works that we can do. We believe we are save by faith through grace and that is not of ourselves; it is a gift of God; otherwise, we would be able to boast and say I did. We believe that Jesus is born of a virgin and was sinless from birth till now. That is why He is much more important to us than any other prophet who lived.

The difference is that I use the mind that God gave me to place my faith, whilst I wonder if you do, and if you do not then you are not following the bible and loving God with all your mind.

And to finish that off, I wonder if you'll finally reply to me with regards to the reason I upped this thread;

Just out of curiousity will you reply to any other part of the post?

:rollseyes

I posted this post:

http://www.islamicboard.com/722609-post43.html

To which you just said:

Yes, I am sincere

Talk about sincere conversation. :X

 

[Kashnowe]

what about this?

Isaiah 9
To Us a Child Is Born
1 Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those who were in distress. In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future he will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordan-
2 The people walking in darkness
have seen a great light;
on those living in the land of the shadow of death [a]
a light has dawned.

3 You have enlarged the nation
and increased their joy;
they rejoice before you
as people rejoice at the harvest,
as men rejoice
when dividing the plunder.

4 For as in the day of Midian's defeat,
you have shattered
the yoke that burdens them,
the bar across their shoulders,
the rod of their oppressor.

5 Every warrior's boot used in battle
and every garment rolled in blood
will be destined for burning,
will be fuel for the fire.

6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.

"

it clearly saya a boy child will be Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

 

[Redeemed]

what about this?

Isaiah 9
To Us a Child Is Born
1 Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those who were in distress. In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future he will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordan-
2 The people walking in darkness
have seen a great light;
on those living in the land of the shadow of death [a]
a light has dawned.

3 You have enlarged the nation
and increased their joy;
they rejoice before you
as people rejoice at the harvest,
as men rejoice
when dividing the plunder.

4 For as in the day of Midian's defeat,
you have shattered
the yoke that burdens them,
the bar across their shoulders,
the rod of their oppressor.

5 Every warrior's boot used in battle
and every garment rolled in blood
will be destined for burning,
will be fuel for the fire.

6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.

"

it clearly saya a boy child will be Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

I put the part that is really interesting in red. It is so obvious that the Scriptures point to Jesus as Lord that the only way someone could attempt to get away from this fact is by saying the Bible is flawed, but it won't work because the Bible; in fact, is the inerrant word of God. Just because someone has a reliable and preserved book, that does not make it truth; it could be reliably wrong. In other words, you can count on it. Jeremiah the prophet spoke saying: “...the day will come when I raise up to David a righteous Branch and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment... in the earth...and His name shall be called THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. That is obviously Jesus. The devil is the deceiver and destroyer. His work is clear; he can only bruise the heel of those that follow Christ, while his head gets crushed.

 

[Redeemed]

what about this?

Isaiah 9
To Us a Child Is Born
1 Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those who were in distress. In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future he will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordan-
2 The people walking in darkness
have seen a great light;
on those living in the land of the shadow of death [a]
a light has dawned.

3 You have enlarged the nation
and increased their joy;
they rejoice before you
as people rejoice at the harvest,
as men rejoice
when dividing the plunder.

4 For as in the day of Midian's defeat,
you have shattered
the yoke that burdens them,
the bar across their shoulders,
the rod of their oppressor.

5 Every warrior's boot used in battle
and every garment rolled in blood
will be destined for burning,
will be fuel for the fire.

6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.

"

it clearly saya a boy child will be Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Does this mean you believe the Bible?

 

[Umar001]

I put the part that is really interesting in red. It is so obvious that the Scriptures point to Jesus as Lord that the only way someone could attempt to get away from this fact is by saying the Bible is flawed, but it won't work because the Bible; in fact, is the inerrant word of God.

Both the points of yours need evidence, unless you just believe.

If by Lord you mean Almighty God then I disagree and I also disagree with the Bible being inerrant.

Just because someone has a reliable and preserved book, that does not make it truth; it could be reliably wrong.

Just like my other posts I dont expect a reply, but I have yet to meet anyone who claims that preservation or reliability alone make a book true.

what about this?

Isaiah 9
To Us a Child Is Born
1 Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those who were in distress. In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future he will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordan-
2 The people walking in darkness
have seen a great light;
on those living in the land of the shadow of death [a]
a light has dawned.

3 You have enlarged the nation
and increased their joy;
they rejoice before you
as people rejoice at the harvest,
as men rejoice
when dividing the plunder.

4 For as in the day of Midian's defeat,
you have shattered
the yoke that burdens them,
the bar across their shoulders,
the rod of their oppressor.

5 Every warrior's boot used in battle
and every garment rolled in blood
will be destined for burning,
will be fuel for the fire.

6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.

"

it clearly saya a boy child will be Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

I had answered this previously in an old thred, I will try to bring back the answer, in the meanwhile, do you know what Gabriel or Peniel mean? Also you've made a mistake, you said 'will be Wonderful Counselor...' rather the text says 'will be called Wonderful..'

Regards, Eesa.

 

[Redeemed]

If only you would take time to speak and establish proofs, for example, you claim:



Noone of those verses show Jesus claiming to be the Father, Glory be to God, for many believe in him but associate others with him.

As for that whole speech, it misses the point. I as a muslim do not confine God, if you knew but the fundamentals of the islamic faith you'd know this is not for a Muslim to do, rather, just as we dont speak to kids in the 5th Grade with language used at a labatory at Nasa, because the kid's would not understand, it is only reasonable to expect God to make the basics clear to us.

Anyhow this is not of great importance.



You claim to submit to God, but instead of doing that you submit to scripture which there is no valid reason to submit to, rather, you submit to your feelings and desires!





That is what you submit to, feelings which you have no proof are from God. They just keep you satisfied.



Someone can pray for guidance night and day, but unless they use what God gave them they shall never be guided.



The difference is that I use the mind that God gave me to place my faith, whilst I wonder if you do, and if you do not then you are not following the bible and loving God with all your mind.

And to finish that off, I wonder if you'll finally reply to me with regards to the reason I upped this thread;



I posted this post:

http://www.islamicboard.com/722609-post43.html

To which you just said:



Talk about sincere conversation. :X

What ever do you mean? Is there something I said that is not sincere that you want to prove? The fact that I told you that the Bible has been manipulate and butchered in certain translations, I always maintained that they all, for the most part keep, their integrity in regards to the nature of Christ with the exception of the JW's Bible from the Watch Tower Society. They believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He is a created being and not deity or they believe he is a god. They have taken the Bible and added certain articles inappropriately. Moreover, the fact that I said the Qur'an has been well preserved does not mean that I was siding against the Bible in favor of Islam. Like I said, you can have any piece of literature that is original and preserved carefully and comes from a reputable and reliable source, but that doesn't make it the word of God. I don’t appreciate you implying that I am not sincere. I hope I am mistaken here.

 

[Umar001]

Here:

Peace be upon yall.

Just so we have some peace of mind from these statments we can take a look at 3 of them. This is from research and hardly anything is my own 'new work' so May The G-d of Abraham, Guide the Christians who have worked hard to get closer to truth and Bless both Christians and Muslims who have earnestly and honestly worked for only G-d.

Now it is stated:

1. Isaiah 9:6 is one of the most powerful proofs that Jesus is God: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father The Prince of Peace." The terms child and son refer to the Incarnation or manifestation of "The mighty God" and "The everlasting Father."

Now there are many approaches that cane be taken, First and foremost we can for the sake of arguement agree this is Jesus, thought hardly much indicates that but a preconditioned mind.

One point, never did Jesus have a goverment, Jesus explictly said 'My kingdom is not of this world' and 'Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's' (John 18:36 and Matthew 22:21)

To go on, we see for some reason the words used are Might G-d and not Almighty G-d. I would advise you to read the Hebrew word for Mighty, from my research it is 'Gibbowr' people may thing its a little thing but in reality it isn't because..if you check what this word can be translated as it ranges from
1. strong, mighty n m
2. strong man, brave man, mighty man
"Source "

So this Gibbowr is a word which can be used for men, and we see now why Isaiah hasnt used ALMIGHTY which is only for G-d alone.

Also, lets look at the word here translated as G-d, El, this is famous, come on, this Refers to G-d but men too, you should know, any Christian knows what the Bible claims Jesus said on the Cross, Eli Eli... and people thought he was calling to a Man.
Also we see the bible uses this El, in single and plural to talk about Men.
Exodus 7:1 1And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

Here it is the plural used to show Moses' position over Pharoe.

1. (plural)
1. rulers, judges
2. divine ones
3. angels
4. gods
2. (plural intensive - singular meaning)
1. god, goddess
2. godlike one
3. works or special possessions of God
4. the (true) God
5. God
Source

Also, In Psalsm 82:1 it says 'God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.' with the word El Source

This El aparently carries the meaning of:

1. god, god-like one, mighty one
1. mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes
2. angels
3. god, false god, (demons, imaginations)
4. God, the one true God, Jehovah
2. mighty things in nature
3. strength, power

Source

Now after all that we can also look at the other terms such as 'Everlasting Father'

Now some example of the term everlasting or forever used with regards to people in the Bible:

Ezekiel 37:25And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

And the term father.

Genesis 45:8 So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God: and he hath made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.

Job 29:16 I was a father to the poor: and the cause which I knew not I searched out.

Again this is a simple mistake of people taking things out of a vacuum, the language used was clear to the Jews the recipients, Almighty to them was much more than just Mighty so with the world El and YHWH. It would be like me writing a letter saying, 'your an angel and a prince' and someone in another country centruies later reading it taking it in a vacuum without the understanding of my time and saying 'look, see his friend was an angel with wings from heaven and a prince of heaven' see what I mean?

Plus, I would like to state that this Prophecy says, "name shall be called" so these are names, not what the person is, There is a difference between someone being called, G-d's strenght and actually them being G-d's real strenght. This propechy was only saying this persons names, it doesn't say 'He WILL BE MIGHT GOD'.

Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

 

[Umar001]

What ever do you mean? Is there something I said that is not sincere that you want to prove? The fact that I told you that the Bible has been manipulate and butchered in certain translations, I always maintained that they all, for the most part keep, their integrity in regards to the nature of Christ with the exception of the JW's Bible from the Watch Tower Society. They believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He is a created being and not deity or they believe he is a god. They have taken the Bible and added certain articles inappropriately. Moreover, the fact that I said the Qur'an has been well preserved does not mean that I was siding against the Bible in favor of Islam. Like I said, you can have any piece of literature that is original and preserved carefully and comes from a reputable and reliable source, but that doesn't make it the word of God. I don’t appreciate you implying that I am not sincere. I hope I am mistaken here.

As I said before, the pattern is becoming repetative, we start a conversation, and then you don't reply half way through and end up making a one line comment about things, hardly a conversation, I even left the link to the discussion I had replied to:

Well that's your assumption, you're assuming it cannot.

What's your proof that he got stuff from the Old Testament?

Amongst other things.

 

[Redeemed]

Both the points of yours need evidence, unless you just believe.

If by Lord you mean Almighty God then I disagree and I also disagree with the Bible being inerrant.
I know you disagree, and like I had mentioned previously the Bible doesn't need a defense. I don't have to prove it just unlease it. It holds its own against any book. Just like my other posts I dont expect a reply, but I have yet to meet anyone who claims that preservation or reliability alone make a book true.



I had answered this previously in an old thred, I will try to bring back the answer, in the meanwhile, do you know what Gabriel or Peniel mean? Also you've made a mistake, you said 'will be Wonderful Counselor...' rather the text says 'will be called Wonderful..'

Regards, Eesa.

Forgive my mistake there, translational error on my part, but you didn't mention that He would be called mighty God.

 

[Redeemed]

By the way, you said, "Just like my other posts I dont expect a reply, but I have yet to meet anyone who claims that preservation or reliability alone make a book true." I thought that is part of the prove that the Qur'an was the word of Allah?

 

[Umar001]

I know you disagree, and like I had mentioned previously the Bible doesn't need a defense. I don't have to prove it just unlease it. It holds its own against any book.

So you just make claims and don't back them up? Ok.

Forgive my mistake there, translational error on my part, but you didn't mention that He would be called mighty God.

That was not directed at you bro, it was directed at the person who quoted Isaiah.

 

[Redeemed]

As I said before, the pattern is becoming repetative, we start a conversation, and then you don't reply half way through and end up making a one line comment about things, hardly a conversation, I even left the link to the discussion I had replied to:





Amongst other things.

OK, I will try to address these.

 

[Redeemed]

I know you disagree, and like I had mentioned previously the Bible doesn't need a defense. I don't have to prove it just unlease it. It holds its own against any book.

So you just make claims and don't back them up? Ok.
OK, all right, You know as well as I not everything can be proved. We both believe in a Creator, but we cannot prove that to the unbelieving world. I take it by faith that it is not necessary to defend the Bible, because I believe it is tantamount to defending a roaring lion from a small goat.
That was not directed at you bro, it was directed at the person who quoted Isaiah.

OH, but you can still address the part about Him being called the mighty god. I know, you will say the Bible is flawed.

 

[Umar001]

OK, all right, You know as well as I not everything can be proved. We both believe in a Creator, but we cannot prove that to the unbelieving world. I take it by faith that it is not necessary to defend the Bible, because I believe it is tantamount to defending a roaring lion from a small goat.

So if you cant prove it why make that statement, also if you cant prove it and you dont have logical reasons then why do you follow it, why not another religion?

OH, but you can still address the part about Him being called the mighty god. I know, you will say the Bible is flawed.

I have tried to address it.

 

[Redeemed]

OK, all right, You know as well as I not everything can be proved. We both believe in a Creator, but we cannot prove that to the unbelieving world. I take it by faith that it is not necessary to defend the Bible, because I believe it is tantamount to defending a roaring lion from a small goat.

So if you cant prove it why make that statement, also if you cant prove it and you dont have logical reasons then why do you follow it, why not another religion?



I have tried to address it.

Where?