Who has the right to the land? Israelians or Palestinians?

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AHMED_GUREY said:
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the Defiant Dhimmi:D (i wonder how you did this in your profile)

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I guess you like “The Defiant Dhimmi”.
I thought it suited me well.

Any way, here’s how.


Go to User CP/Edit Profile.
Under Optional Information
You will see Custom User Title
That is where you change it.

Enjoy,
Wilber
 
MTAFFI said:
so now since they cant win in war and have been conquered they choose to terrorize the winners
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LOOOL...Thanks for today's comic relief, Taffi :thumbs_up

A handful of "militants" terrorizing", the mighty IDF :statisfie

This is the same Israeli military that has the conventional strength of the 22 Arab nations, put together.

The daily terror that is visited upon Palestinian civilians by the Israeli Death Forces, isn't actually terror, right?

I can't wait for your comic relief, for tomorrows episode :D
 
Zman said:

LOOOL...Thanks for today's comic relief, Taffi :thumbs_up

A handful of "militants" terrorizing", the mighty IDF :statisfie

This is the same Israeli military that has the conventional strength of the 22 Arab nations, put together.

The daily terror that is visited upon Palestinian civilians by the Israeli Death Forces, isn't actually terror, right?

I can't wait for your comic relief, for tomorrows episode :D
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Calling hamas members freedom fighters- this is a nice comic quote.:thumbs_up :thumbs_up
 
Aaron85 said:
No terrorism- no wall.
No suicide attacks - no checkpoints.
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No israel - no terrorism
no oppression - no suicide

btw, sucidie is more common in iraq and afghan not Falesteen!

oh and why that stupid remark rather then admitting the facts?

have Israel return all the land it occupies beyond the mandated one, stop all blockades and checkpoints, tear down the wall, go back to the original amount of land given to them, dismantle all illegal settlements on palestinian lands, obey the 67+ resultions set forth by UN, try to rule only the land mandated to them and leave palestinians alone from state terrorism.
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Isn't this argument pretty pointless? How on Earth can anybody expect to gain anything from it?
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Only ones rooting for Israel and it's war crimes and genocides are neo-cons and supporters of terrorism and injustice. At least those who have brains speak up against such injustice unlike you and your lacky US and other pathetic zioinst back kissers....

wilberhum said:
No terrorism and no suicide. Just like in the rest of the world. :skeleton:
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UK, Israel Architects Blast Occupation

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CAIRO — A group of renowned Israeli and British architects have urged fellow designers and planners from Israel and worldwide to live up to professional ethics and reject any project on the occupied Palestinian territories or face being accused of complicity in the oppression of Palestinians and occupation of their land, Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported Monday, May 28.

 In a statement initiated by the British organization Architects and Planners for Justice in Palestine (APJP), the designers called on fellow professionals "to express their concern in each and every instance of unjust action in annexing Palestinian land, and the projects to be built on them."


The manifesto said Palestinian land has become so fragmented that a viable Palestinian State has been rendered impossible.


"The map of Palestine, for the indigenous Palestinians, has shrunk from being 97% of the land in 1917 to 44 % in 1947. Today only 13% of the former Palestinian lands are being recognized by Israeli unilateral 'convergence' policies, and that small part is being further divided by planning and architectural devices," it said.


The statement was signed by nearly 200 internationally-famed British and Israeli architects and academics.


They include architectural historian Charles Jencks; president of the Institute of Royal British Architects Jack Pringle; American sociologist Saskia Sassen; geographer Oren Yiftachel of Ben-Gurion University as well as Israeli Zvi Efrat, who heads the architecture department at the Bezalel Academy of Art and Design.


The APJP is a London-based independent pressure group that campaigns against the Israeli occupation.


It launched a boycott campaign two years ago against Israeli architects taking part in the construction of Jewish settlements.


Prior to the opening of the International Architecture Biennale in Venice last September, the organization tried to prevent the presentation of the Israeli exhibition "Life Saver: Typology of Commemoration in Israel."


Complicit


The statement said that accepting Israeli bids to build settlements or buildings on occupied Palestinian land would make Israeli and international architects "partners in social, political and economic oppression" of the Palestinians.


"Israeli architects and planners, knowingly or not, have become a part of this situation. Israeli settlements built after the 1967 War, considered illegal under international law, could not have been realized without their help," it read.
It said the architects are expected to live up to the profession's code of ethics and refrain from such unethical work.


"Professional ethics, long enshrined in architectural and planning codes, demand that we confront these unwelcome truths and not remain silent or complicit," it said.


"It is with this in mind that we are supporting particular campaigns that challenge this unprofessional conduct."


The London-based group cited old and new Israeli projects on the occupied Palestinian territories that preempt the boundaries of their long-awaited state.


"Since 1947 Israeli kibbutzim, towns and cities have been built over the ruins of Palestinian, villages, houses and heritage that were wiped from the map by a form of architectural erasure," it said.


"We oppose the building of such projects as the illegal settlements, check points, settler–only highways and above all the Separation Wall."
The international community regards all Jewish settlements, which are built on 40% of the West Bank, illegal.


Over the years, Israeli settlements have mushroomed in the West Bank where 270,000 Israeli settlers now live among some 2.5 million Palestinians.
Israel is also building a separation wall, a mix of electronic fences and concrete walls that will eventually snake some 900 kilometers (540 miles) along the West Bank and leave even larger swathes of its territory on the Israeli side.


Israel has spurned a landmark ruling by the International Court of Justice and a demand by the UN General Assembly to tear down the wall and compensate the Palestinians affected. Tel Aviv argues that wall is necessary for its protection.


But the Palestinians see the wall as a new land grab and an attempt to pre-empt the borders of their future state.
 
islamirama
Ya, I know those perfect Palestinian have never done any thing wrong. :?
I still have my bridge for sale if you are interested. :D

As I said:
Nothing will ever be gained until Peace is the Priority.
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and you have made it quite clear that for you Peace is not the priority.
No Isreal no terrorism. Da, ya a sure. :skeleton:
How much of the world can you see looking out of a window? :enough!:
Most everywhere there is a large number of Muslims there is war.
But then it is also true that Most everywhere there is a large number of <Insurt any group> there is war.
If it wasn't Israel there would just be another excuse. :omg:
Currently the Palestinian are proving that they can't even get along with themselves. :rollseyes

But ya, it is all Israel's fault. :raging:
 
wilberhum said:
islamirama
Ya, I know those perfect Palestinian have never done any thing wrong. :?
I still have my bridge for sale if you are interested. :D

As I said:
and you have made it quite clear that for you Peace is not the priority.
No Isreal no terrorism. Da, ya a sure. :skeleton:
How much of the world can you see looking out of a window? :enough!:
Most everywhere there is a large number of Muslims there is war.
But then it is also true that Most everywhere there is a large number of <Insurt any group> there is war.
If it wasn't Israel there would just be another excuse. :omg:
Currently the Palestinian are proving that they can't even get along with themselves. :rollseyes

But ya, it is all Israel's fault. :raging:
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and peace will never be a priority until israel is ready to ....


return all the land it occupies beyond the mandated one, stop all blockades and checkpoints, tear down the wall, go back to the original amount of land given to them, dismantle all illegal settlements on palestinian lands, obey the 67+ resultions set forth by UN, try to rule only the land mandated to them and leave palestinians alone from state terrorism.
 
islamirama,
If you look back, you will see I always attack any saying it is one sided. It will take both to make peace. Israel has committed many atrocities. I am sickened by the US support of them. But that doesn't make the Palestinians totally innocent good guys. They have adopted hate as a way of life.

I don't hope for victory for either, but I hope for peace for both.
 
The Holocaust does not justify the taking of land from people who had nothing to do with it. You don't solve injustice by creating injustice for someone else.
But you can not turn back history and undo the Holocaust or undo the creation of Israel.
All the Israels are not going to get on a plane and leave. They are not going to give in to terrorism either.
So they can work for peace of keep killing each other. I sad to say they both have chose the latter.
 
The Holocaust does not justify the taking of land from people who had nothing to do with it. You don't solve injustice by creating injustice for someone else.
But you can not turn back history and undo the Holocaust or undo the creation of Israel.
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Agreed. The main reasons why the US supports Israel is because 1.) it is a democracy and 2.) it is allegedly a fulfillment of prophecy.

All the Israels are not going to get on a plane and leave. They are not going to give in to terrorism either.
So they can work for peace of keep killing each other. I sad to say they both have chose the latter.
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Agreed. The problem is that since Israelis wont leave, terrorism wont leave later. Killing a bunch of insurgents does not comprise a victory in the war against terror. It is an undeniable fact that Israeli occupation is fuels worldwide terrorism. So either Israel gives up Jerusalem or we will see more terrorist attacks. Whats really ****ed up is the fact that Americans are doing all the dirty work for Israel.
 
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Very Intresting Posts.

However,lol.

Palestian belongs to the muslims, no doubt!
Yep the jews aint going to move an inch,
therefore there will ALWAYS be violance there!

Untill the palestinians get the land, there will be TOTAL devestation, especially for muslims (muslims are brutally killed!).

The jews are COWARDS in israel, becuase they need MASSIVE support from the USA, and that is the only way they are in controll.

BUT

remember the muslims will ALWAYS have Allah.
and yes at the moment the israeils have the upperhand, they are incontroll, but just as the israelies use there stratigies to win there cause the muslims palestians have there'z.

Muslims there can only use there only means off weapons such as, STONES, ROCKETS, MARTYRDOM!

SO WHAT?

I personally think, ''So What''.

becuase that is the strategie for NOW.

Inshallah as time passes, WE will have OUR land. and remeber that fellow people! just remmeber! i personally gurantee you.

Allah tests ALL muslims, and Allah wil give justice to muslims, and yes we will HAVE our land back!:thumbs_up
 
wilberhum said:
islamirama,
If you look back, you will see I always attack any saying it is one sided. It will take both to make peace. Israel has committed many atrocities. I am sickened by the US support of them. But that doesn't make the Palestinians totally innocent good guys. They have adopted hate as a way of life.

I don't hope for victory for either, but I hope for peace for both.
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It's good to know you not all pro zioinst then. The hatred in palestinians is totoally jusitfied, you would be a fool not to hate after the hell you go thru. Palestinians have mostly been victims and israelis have been aggressors. Even if they both are to exit together, israel has a long way to come before that is even possible. At the very least, israel has to do as I said before...

return all the land it occupies beyond the mandated one, stop all blockades and checkpoints, tear down the wall, go back to the original amount of land given to them, dismantle all illegal settlements on palestinian lands, obey the 67+ resultions set forth by UN, try to rule only the land mandated to them and leave palestinians alone from state terrorism.
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