Who has the right to the land? Israelians or Palestinians?

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Aaron85 said:
In Israel live, work, study about 1 million muslim Arabs.
Arabs have their own political parties in Knesset.
Lately one Arab became a minister in Israel's goverment.
Arabs living in Israel dont have to carry weapons like Jews living among Palestinians.
They can vote and worship like normal, equal citizens.
Israel even tolerates those Israeli Arabs who openly support Hamas or Hesbullah.
So it is not so bad as you think for Arabs living in Israel.
And about those who live in West Bank and Gaza...I am sure that without terroristic attacks there would be no wall, no patrols, no controls..
When someone makes a suicide attack he cant cry after that his fellows are controled by army.
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and Palestinians can't marry israelis, can't move freely, and even those with israeli citizenship are discriminated against by jewish citizens in daily life.
 
August said:
No one's going to like this, but...

It doesn't matter who the land really belongs to. The reality is that the Jews are there now. The Isralies are in control, and no one is going to be able to push them out. If the Palestinians want peace, they will have to accept the permenant existence of Israel. Different people have lost their homelands all throughout history. Should the U.S. give all it's land back to the Indians? Should the Indians that Columbus met give the land they had back to the tribe they conquored it from? Should Turkey give back Constantinople?
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It has been too long for those to be fixed, but if you know that something wrong is going on now, shouldn't you at least try to fix it? and anyway, I don't think that they have to give back the land. I think they should allow all the refugees to come back and have one shared state, where everyone is free, and there are no walls or checkpoints.
 
Philosopher said:
This argument is so futile it's not funny. As you are Christian, maybe you should go back to Nazareth and give up all of Europe, Australia, South America, and North America back to the gentiles??
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since we all started out somewhere in subsaharan africa, we should just leave every other place in the world and go live there. jeez.
 
arabookworm said:
no zionists, no resistance
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Shalom, I must say, What logic! What if I were to make the claim, no Palestine, no "opression" as you label it? The logic is faulty. The situation is that both sides exist. Every action will recieve a reaction. When a suicide bombing by Hamas blows up a pre-school bus, and he crossed through the land at a certain area, the reaction will be, that area will have a wall built.

and even those with israeli citizenship are discriminated against by jewish citizens in daily life.
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Mere propaganda, Israeli-Arabs receive more rights and live better lives than they would in half of the arab countries. A poll was taken in the hebrew newspapers, and they agreed. They elect officials to make everyday descions in the state.
 
Maybe we should give that land to those islanders who will lost their homes due to the Global Warming...

* P/S: I'm sick looking at the way that Palestinians fighting each others. No wonder God denies them a country. :raging:
 
north_malaysian said:
Maybe we should give that land to those islanders who will lost their homes due to the Global Warming...

* P/S: I'm sick looking at the way that Palestinians fighting each others. No wonder God denies them a country. :raging:
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That's what I always thought, but never had the guts to say. Instead of trying to lead useless wars they should invest the money they get in cultivating soil and produce food for their people.
It's always amazing to see, that Palestinians and Israelis live together in the 'same' country, and then compare what both reached. Israelis eat juicy oranges while Palestinians still bite the dust.

Stop to complain and start to do something, my Goodness !
 
guyabano said:
That's what I always thought, but never had the guts to say. Instead of trying to lead useless wars they should invest the money they get in cultivating soil and produce food for their people.
It's always amazing to see, that Palestinians and Israelis live together in the 'same' country, and then compare what both reached. Israelis eat juicy oranges while Palestinians still bite the dust.

Stop to complain and start to do something, my Goodness !
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cultivate what????????????????????????????

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and coexist with who????????????


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did anyone ever read the butter battle book by doctor suess when they were a kid? I was reading it to my daughter the other night and that book could easily be related to current events. The book doesnt have an ending, just a blank white page

(I think it was actually written about the cold war)
 
islamirama said:
so you think the pictures are fake and lieing?

always in denial....
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did i say excuse or fake? I am pretty sure I said excuse, so I dont think there is any denial here

however if you would like to bring up the authenticity of those pictures it appears as though they are coming from some pretty unreliable sources. That picture of Rosie up there looks pretty real too doesnt it? Or are you just in denial

Anyways none of this (including your pics) have anything to do with the fact that the Israelis, as mentioned above, are eating fresh fruit while the Palestinians are eating dirt.... hmmm... maybe if these palestinian groups took as much time to plant some seeds as they do to launch mortar attacks all day their country would look like such a dump, let me guess, it is the israelis fault right? Yeah I know, and they are backed by the west and we are all evil Kuffar, I know, and Muslims are the only people going to heaven and everyone else is condemned to hell, yeah yeah yeah, tell me about it. Well let me tell you something, if these people quit looking at the rest of the world for their problems and quit blaming EVERYONE else and taking no responsibility or blame themselves, maybe, just maybe they would remove themselves from their archaic state of life, however we will never no that since they will never try it

(by the way take a look at that second photo and the shadows, anything strange about that?)
 
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MTAFFI said:
...it is the israelis fault right? Yeah I know, and they are backed by the west and we are all evil Kuffar, I know, and Muslims are the only people going to heaven and everyone else is condemned to hell, yeah yeah yeah, tell me about it.
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Yes, the red thread wandering through (nearby) all topics. :raging:

@islamirama
Listen, nobody is against muslims here. Get that right. It's just, we want to pass you the message to start to do something useful to your country instead of just know how to trigger a kassam rocket. And guess what, the jews certainly even give you the seeds to plant fruits and vegetables.
 
MTAFFI said:
did i say excuse or fake? I am pretty sure I said excuse, so I dont think there is any denial here

however if you would like to bring up the authenticity of those pictures it appears as though they are coming from some pretty unreliable sources. That picture of Rosie up there looks pretty real too doesnt it? Or are you just in denial

Anyways none of this (including your pics) have anything to do with the fact that the Israelis, as mentioned above, are eating fresh fruit while the Palestinians are eating dirt.... hmmm... maybe if these palestinian groups took as much time to plant some seeds as they do to launch mortar attacks all day their country would look like such a dump, let me guess, it is the israelis fault right? Yeah I know, and they are backed by the west and we are all evil Kuffar, I know, and Muslims are the only people going to heaven and everyone else is condemned to hell, yeah yeah yeah, tell me about it. Well let me tell you something, if these people quit looking at the rest of the world for their problems and quit blaming EVERYONE else and taking no responsibility or blame themselves, maybe, just maybe they would remove themselves from their archaic state of life, however we will never no that since they will never try it

(by the way take a look at that second photo and the shadows, anything strange about that?)
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when you have zionists bulldozing over 100yr old olive trees and the livelihood of the palestinians, doesn't make much sense to plant seeds. It makes more sense to plant bombs and uproot the terrorists and their occupation, only then will they have a better chance of living and peace.

The original jews and christians will go to heaven as well as they followed the true teachings of the Messengers. The later generations all deviated and changed their books, what right do they have to go to heaven when they went against the Creator of the heavens?

Not all kuffars are evil, just the ones you support who have are oppressive and unjustice and enjoy their war mongering way and plundering the lands of the weak. Let's see these spineless kuffars try something against china or russia or other super power.

guyabano said:
@islamirama
Listen, nobody is against muslims here. Get that right. It's just, we want to pass you the message to start to do something useful to your country instead of just know how to trigger a kassam rocket. And guess what, the jews certainly even give you the seeds to plant fruits and vegetables.
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Look at those pics again and tell me with a straight face that jews give seeds to plant. Don't make me laugh!
 
islamirama said:
when you have zionists bulldozing over 100yr old olive trees and the livelihood of the palestinians, doesn't make much sense to plant seeds. It makes more sense to plant bombs and uproot the terrorists and their occupation, only then will they have a better chance of living and peace.
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Ask yourself why they are bulldozing.. they bulldoze to keep these people far enough away from their cities so that rockets cannot reach, seems to me if they stopped planting bombs and tried to have a chance at living in peace they could allow some seeds to grow
islamirama said:
The original jews and christians will go to heaven as well as they followed the true teachings of the Messengers. The later generations all deviated and changed their books, what right do they have to go to heaven when they went against the Creator of the heavens?
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What right do you have to make any assumptions about another persons religion. You cannot prove anyone changed the bible, you can prove it has been interpreted differently, but you cannot prove that the teachings are any different than they were when Jesus was around. Also you should know that Mohammed did not write the Quran either, so how do you know his original teachings were written down correctly? You dont, you only believe, same with all religions, the difference is you for whatever reason believe your religion is better than everyone elses. Anyone can make it to heaven no matter what his/her religion is, as long they they believe in God and what they believe to be his word
islamirama said:
Not all kuffars are evil, just the ones you support who have are oppressive and unjustice and enjoy their war mongering way and plundering the lands of the weak. Let's see these spineless kuffars try something against china or russia or other super power.
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Here we go again with your mindless assumptions, I dont support who you think I do, I dont support Israel, but I dont support Palestine either, there is equal fault and equal stupidity there. As for these "Spineless" Kuffar, perhaps you should listen to Pres. Putin's comments yesterday, indicating the US is starting another arms race with Russia. Or maybe you forget that these "spineless" Kuffar already brought Russia to its knees once, or maybe you forget the "spineless" kuffar made China what it is today and could also destroy it. However do to these countries interest in diplomacy and joint interests in peace, we dont have to worry about war with them.

islamirama said:
Look at those pics again and tell me with a straight face that jews give seeds to plant. Don't make me laugh!
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Look at the shadows again in the second picture and tell me what makes you laugh
 
MTAFFI, do you really think that ALL the Palestinians are working on throwing rockets at Israel? Do you think ALL of them are working on keeping the land for themselves, even though they had the original right to it?


Regarding the religion issue, you yourself as a christian should know that the christians say that those who don't believe in Jesus son of Mary's 'sacrifice' will be in the hellfire. So don't be amazed if we were to say that those who don't worship God Alone and accept His Messengers' arrogantly will be in the fire.


Anyway, i'm going to close the thread since the arguments are going in circles.
 
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