Who is the Trinity to Christians & Muslims?

[Woodrow]

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[NoName55]

a request to all:

I have noticed that some participants tell in the forum who are sending them pm & what was the message. I think , Private matter must be kept in private .


if u don't want to receive pm from anyone , just close down the option or block the specific person. But , in public , we must not disclose what other participants sent u in private .

I got bad rep from my Muslim bro .....i was a little bit shocked .....but we must not disclose name ....it's my opinion.

we have staff to moderate our posts if and when we cross over bounderies set by them. no one else has any business telling anyone in PM, how to or what to post, esp. someone who plays all holy in public, then menacing in private.

any how you have made alpiana happy, but I have no such need to seek approval of his ilk for I seek only to serve Allah

wasalaam alaikum to Believers and seekers

 

[Muslim Woman]

....any how you have made alpiana happy, but I have no such need to seek approval of his ilk for I seek only to serve Allah

wasalaam alaikum to Believers and seekers

bro , i m very sorry if hurt ur feelings. Believe me , i was thinking of the request since few days .

May be , u won't believe , but i did not even notice that it was u who mentioned about the pm here , otherwise i would have made the request elsewhere.

We must not have any hard feeling about personal disagreement ....if i made any mistake regarding my religion , u r most welcome to correct me openly . I will thank u sincerely .

May Allah forgive me if i m doing anything against Islam.

 

[NoName55]

Salaam alaikum Sister.
I do have to, and do believe you, wasalam

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam alaikum Sister.
I do have to, and do believe you, wasalam

thanks bro

Jazak Allah

no more hard feelings , pl. Take care & Allah Hafiz.

 

[MustafaMc]

Copied from Re: "Views on Atonement for Sin."

Father, Son and the Holy Ghost

Not to be disrespectful, but what about "FaSoHo" as an abbreviation?:? I think it conveys the Christian concept better than God or Allah. The reason being that Muslims definitely do not equate Jesus or the Holy Spirit with the One God, Allah. Although there is only one God, the concept or understanding differs. When we Muslims say "God", we have a mental concept that is different from what comes to a Christian's mind when they hear "God". Other than implying the existence of offspring, I believe Muslims would prefer that Christians use "Father" when referring to God - at least we would both be talking apples instead of one saying apples and the other hearing oranges.

 

[Keltoi]

Copied from Re: "Views on Atonement for Sin." Not to be disrespectful, but what about "FaSoHo" as an abbreviation?:? I think it conveys the Christian concept better than God or Allah. The reason being that Muslims definitely do not equate Jesus or the Holy Spirit with the One God, Allah. Although there is only one God, the concept or understanding differs. When we Muslims say "God", we have a mental concept that is different from what comes to a Christian's mind when they hear "God". Other than implying the existence of offspring, I believe Muslims would prefer that Christians use "Father" when referring to God - at least we would both be talking apples instead of one saying apples and the other hearing oranges.

From a Christian perspective, when we say God we visualize differently than Muslims, that is true. FaSoHo just doesn't sound good in a song...another issue that we don't share...

 

[MustafaMc]

From a Christian perspective, when we say God we visualize differently than Muslims, that is true. FaSoHo just doesn't sound good in a song...another issue that we don't share...

I agree with you about the sounding odd, but by the same token it does convey the concept that we Muslims find odd.

Yes, I really miss the songs of Christianity such as "Amazing Grace", "Mansion on a Hilltop", "Standing on the Promises", "Rock of Ages", "How Great Thou Art", "What a Friend We Have in Jesus", etc. I remember - even after 25 years - getting spiritually uplifted when singing those songs.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Copied from Re: "Views on Atonement for Sin." Not to be disrespectful, but what about "FaSoHo" as an abbreviation?:? I think it conveys the Christian concept better than God or Allah. The reason being that Muslims definitely do not equate Jesus or the Holy Spirit with the One God, Allah. Although there is only one God, the concept or understanding differs. When we Muslims say "God", we have a mental concept that is different from what comes to a Christian's mind when they hear "God". Other than implying the existence of offspring, I believe Muslims would prefer that Christians use "Father" when referring to God - at least we would both be talking apples instead of one saying apples and the other hearing oranges.

You say that Muslims may prefer that we use "Father" when referring to God. But do you really want me to start talking of Allah the Father? It doesn't describe Allah's fullness does it, anymore than the one name of Allah would be true to your experience. When I say God I mean so much more than just Father. To speak of God as just the Father and then add Jesus and the Holy Spirit would be like to make one God into three (something I think you actually understand we really don't believe).

 

[Redeemed]

Copied from Re: "Views on Atonement for Sin." Not to be disrespectful, but what about "FaSoHo" as an abbreviation?:? I think it conveys the Christian concept better than God or Allah. The reason being that Muslims definitely do not equate Jesus or the Holy Spirit with the One God, Allah. Although there is only one God, the concept or understanding differs. When we Muslims say "God", we have a mental concept that is different from what comes to a Christian's mind when they hear "God". Other than implying the existence of offspring, I believe Muslims would prefer that Christians use "Father" when referring to God - at least we would both be talking apples instead of one saying apples and the other hearing oranges.

Listen, you are inadvertently using the trinity concept as an excuse, because it is built into Islam, and that is what makes your religion treacherous. We believe in only one God. It is Muhammad that is trying to tell us Christians what we believe, and he doesn’t have a clue what we born again believers know about God, because he was never born again. We do not ascribe to God partners like Muhammad states. He is accusing us Christians of doing what he does so that the attention is off him. He ascribes himself as a partner. That is why you confess Muhammad as Allah’s spokesman. You must do that to be saved in your Shahadad or have a chance at salvation. We ascribe no partners or prophets to God as Muslims do. So please stop accusing us falsely of blasphemous heresies. You have a body, spirit and a soul does that mean you are ascribing partners unto yourself? Besides, you tell us that God is powerful and merciful enough to forgive us without Jesus’ holy blood being shed. According to your way of thinking, God is powerful enough to have written his message in our hearts without the need of a flesh and blood prophet such as Muhammad to convey the message of God and he has, or he could have sent spiritual beings to deliver it such as angles. You are so blinded by the trinity concept that it keeps you from seeing the only hope you have - the hope of glory - Jesus. Furthermore, you do insult the spirit of grace and Jesus by calling him just a prophet. He is above all earthly and heavenly powers; he is the King of kings and the Prophet of all prophets. He is the Son of the living God. Stop getting caught into biology and understand it in the flesh, because God cannot be understood through human reasoning and logic in the confines of time and space. In love and with all due respect, you error greatly by not knowing the Scriptures or the power of God.
You are loved and I hope I am not coming on too strong. I am intense I know, but I mean not to be offensive.

 

[Phil12123]

Yes, I really miss the songs of Christianity such as "Amazing Grace", "Mansion on a Hilltop", "Standing on the Promises", "Rock of Ages", "How Great Thou Art", "What a Friend We Have in Jesus", etc. I remember - even after 25 years - getting spiritually uplifted when singing those songs.

Then HOW could you just toss all that away??? Certainly the words of those songs must have meant something as you were singing them. I cannot imagine you being truly born again and trusting in Jesus as Savior and Lord and then casting that all away. Did you really do that?

 

[vpb]

blood prophet such as Muhammad to convey the message of God and he has, or he could have sent spiritual beings to deliver it such as angles.

6:8. They say: "Why is not an angel sent down to him?" If we did send down an angel, the matter would be settled at once, and no respite would be granted them.

6:9. If We had made it an angel, We should have sent him as a man, and We should certainly have caused them confusion in a matter which they have already covered with confusion.




11:12. Perchance thou mayest (feel the inclination) to give up a part of what is revealed unto thee, and thy heart feeleth straitened lest they say, "Why is not a treasure sent down unto him, or why does not an angel come down with him?" But thou art there only to warn! It is Allah that arrangeth all affairs!
11:13. Or they may say, "He forged it," Say, "Bring ye then ten suras forged, like unto it, and call (to your aid) whomsoever ye can, other than Allah.- If ye speak the truth!

We believe in only one God.

Please can u show me a single religious book were Christianity is included in the category of Monotheistic religions.

It is Muhammad that is trying to tell us Christians what we believe, and he doesn’t have a clue what we born again believers know about God, because he was never born again

Even youself u don't know what you believe in. If you would meet the old chrisitans they would consider you deviated.

That is why you confess Muhammad as Allah’s spokesman. You must do that to be saved in your Shahadad or have a chance at salvation.

We have discussed this. But you are not willing to understand, or you didn't read my posts.

We ascribe no partners or prophets to God as Muslims do.

;D;D;D . please don't talk anymore ;D;D;D . hahaha .

So please stop accusing us falsely of blasphemous heresies.

Everyone in this world knows that chrisitans believe Jesus is son of God, and from islamic point of view, that is joining partnership, bc we believe God has no son , no partners.

Jesus. Furthermore, you do insult the spirit of grace and Jesus by calling him just a prophet. He is above all earthly and heavenly powers; he is the King of kings and the Prophet of all prophets. He is the Son of the living God. Stop getting caught into biology and understand it in the flesh, because God cannot be understood through human reasoning and logic in the confines of time and space. In love and with all due respect, you error greatly by not knowing the Scriptures or the power of God.

Actually Jesus would me super-offended if He would hear what you said about him. Let alone us that we are offended when you distort things.


alpiana, what is the matter with you? I don't see any christian here make such statements as u do. you just claim some things which nobody has ever claimed before for 1400 years. lollll ;D

 

[Muslim Woman]

alapiana1: We ascribe no partners or prophets to God as Muslims do.

. please don't talk anymore . hahaha .

heheheheheheheheh , another funny joke


thanks for pointing this out....i overlooked it

 

[Woodrow]

Listen, you are inadvertently using the trinity concept as an excuse, because it is built into Islam, and that is what makes your religion treacherous. We believe in only one God. It is Muhammad that is trying to tell us Christians what we believe, and he doesn’t have a clue what we born again believers know about God, because he was never born again. We do not ascribe to God partners like Muhammad states. He is accusing us Christians of doing what he does so that the attention is off him. He ascribes himself as a partner. That is why you confess Muhammad as Allah’s spokesman. You must do that to be saved in your Shahadad or have a chance at salvation. We ascribe no partners or prophets to God as Muslims do. So please stop accusing us falsely of blasphemous heresies. You have a body, spirit and a soul does that mean you are ascribing partners unto yourself? Besides, you tell us that God is powerful and merciful enough to forgive us without Jesus’ holy blood being shed. According to your way of thinking, God is powerful enough to have written his message in our hearts without the need of a flesh and blood prophet such as Muhammad to convey the message of God and he has, or he could have sent spiritual beings to deliver it such as angles. You are so blinded by the trinity concept that it keeps you from seeing the only hope you have - the hope of glory - Jesus. Furthermore, you do insult the spirit of grace and Jesus by calling him just a prophet. He is above all earthly and heavenly powers; he is the King of kings and the Prophet of all prophets. He is the Son of the living God. Stop getting caught into biology and understand it in the flesh, because God cannot be understood through human reasoning and logic in the confines of time and space. In love and with all due respect, you error greatly by not knowing the Scriptures or the power of God.
You are loved and I hope I am not coming on too strong. I am intense I know, but I mean not to be offensive.

Sadly you have missed the entire concept of Islam. The Christian view of Jesus(as) is a human desire to form God(swt) into his own image. It is a very false image. However, it is a very dangerous concept as the warmth from feeling that you now know God(swt) personally, has removed your ability to worship Allah(swt) as the divine diety He is.

Perhaps you are content in the warmth of worshiping a feeling. But, like all things Allah(swt) is just and he has given you the choice to worship Him or to enjoy the contentment of false security,

I will say that your words on this forum have been very beneficial in helping others understand why so many of us have left Christianity and have left the errors and found the Truth of Islam. For that I thank you as reading your errors has done much to solidify our beliefs and help us strengthen areas in which we have been weak in.

Yes you are very much loved as a Brother in Humanity and it is our sincere desire that you will awaken from your sleep.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/ peace ;

..... you do insult the spirit of grace and Jesus by calling him just a prophet. He is above all earthly and heavenly powers;

i m afraid , may be in future , Christians will start claiming that Jesus (p) is above God.
mg: mg: mg: mg:

 

[vpb]

2:136. Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

I (vpb) say we believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)

 

[MuhammadRizan]

hmmmm...

Since Islam is completed, we already have a clearer information.

Allah is God the one in only, same god since the beginning of humanity till eternity.

Jesus is mere Prophet and messenger,never got crucified,yes jesus is messiah because he will kill dajjal.

Holy spirit is Gabriel.

Christian and muslim will never walk in the same road here.

Those holywar and jihad in the past is political..but we must consider who wage war first.

When muslim start the war for worldly reason, the jihad is unjustified.
when muslim are attacked then jihad is justified(with rules of course).

yes muslim and christian can live together happily as long we respect each other,i mean honestly respect each other.

i dont know about another country, here in Malaysia muslim and christian live together i can say quite happy, until lately..

 

[vpb]

just to put up a clarification.

holy war IS NOT jihad

jihad IS NOT holy war

 

[MuhammadRizan]

my badhew

during crusade christian called it holy war.
when muslim engaged in war we will declare jihad(strive till the end).

jihad and holy war has different meaning.:statisfie

 

[Phil12123]

holy war IS NOT jihad

jihad IS NOT holy war

This is entirely off-topic, but why don't you define what they ARE.