Who is the Trinity to Christians & Muslims?

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Philosopher said:
This thread has gone off topic. But to answer the question:

1.) Christian believe the Trinity is the way to heaven.
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No we don't. I think it better if you do not speak for Christians. We believe that Jesus Christ is the way to heaven. The Holy Spirit awakes us to the need to repent of our sin and get back to God. The Father sends both the Son and the Holy Spirit.


3.) Atheists believe that the Trinity is logically impossible and is another idea stolen from past pagan trinitarian dogmas.
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And why is it logically impossible?
 
MustafaMc said:
No, that sounds odd, too. I was just making the point that the "Father" concept in Christianity most closely approximates our concept of Allah. We don't have a concept of Allah having a Son or ever existing in human form and we don't have a concept of Allah dwelling inside us through "baptism of the Holy Spirit".Yes, the other descriptive (Merciful, Compassionate, Just, Wise, All Hearing, etc) names of Allah give us a better understanding of Him than to just use Allah.

Yes, I understand that you don't believe that, but from the Muslim perspective that is exactly what we see.
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Yeah, I am seeing that you and Trumble, better than most, get what we Christians are talking about, though neither of you believe it. But many here get so confused, that they really do think that speaking of Jesus and the Holy Spirit is giving partners to God because in their minds we have added something to the Father. My point, for them, since I know you understand this, is that speaking of just the Father as God is not to talk fully about God. In fact it is like talking about the USA and claim that you are talking about America. In reality America is a continent composed of many countries, the United States of America being just one of them. To include Jesus and the Holy Spirit in the discussion about God is not to add partners to God, anymore than including Canda, Mexico, Chile, and Brazil is to add countries to America.

Talking about just the Father without either Jesus or the Holy Spirit is talking about just one persona of the Godhead, it is not talking about God.
 
Isn't that just plain rude? You would not want anyone mocking Is-sham like that.
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now does that not make you a hypocrite? you preach at him yet you just did exact same thing to Islam? bloody typical of you, is it not?
 
NoName_55 said:
now does that not make you a hypocrite? you preach at him yet you just did exact same thing to Islam? bloody typical of you, is it not?
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Well, I did it to illustrate the point. I trust that vpb will understand it that way, and not as mocking for that was not my intent.
 
NoName55 said:
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Sin El Senor, tu no puede tener vida eterna. Tu vas a muere en tus pecados, porque andas perdidos y no puede ver nada. El hijo de Dios es la respuesta por tu vita.
 
alapiana1 said:
Sin El Senor, tu no puede tener vida eterna. Tu vas a muere en tus pecados, porque andas perdidos y no puede ver nada. El hijo de Dios es la respuesta por tu vita.
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you disgusting creature!

"you cannot have eternal life. you going to die in your sins, because you walk lost and you cannot see nothing. The son of God is the answer.
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I don't want no stinking eternal life worshipping a man.

I much rather have death by worshipping one God, who created the man you want me to worship
 
NoName_55 said:
its always the blasted same with you, as soon as someone corners you, you go all holly and metaphorical
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I don't happen to feel cornered. I don't know that I changed from one way of posting to another. And I didn't use a single metaphor. But if you really find my post offensive, please, feel free to report me. You'll want to use the red button in the top right-hand corner.
 
Grace Seeker said:
I don't happen to feel cornered. I don't know that I changed from one way of posting to another. And I didn't use a single metaphor. But if you really find my post offensive, please, feel free to report me. You'll want to use the red button in the top right-hand corner.
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had that worked do you think my posting would have been disabled instead of yours and alpiana's? why do you think I have few posts under my name instead of few hundred I used to have?

do you think I have not reported you two a zillion times already?
 
Isn't that just plain rude? You would not want anyone mocking Is-sham like that.
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Trumble said that he is a kind of atheist, which I was suprized, so that's why I said a Buthist. if it would have happened that I have some other belief, and somebody says Muslxxx , then I wouldn't mind :) it's not about mocking.
but I hope Trumble is not offended :)
 
NoName_55 said:
had that worked do you think my posting would have been disabled instead of yours and alpiana's? why do you think I have few posts under my name instead of few hundred I used to have?

do you think I have not reported you two a zillion times already?
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So, what does that tell you?
 
Sin El Senor, tu no puede tener vida eterna. Tu vas a muere en tus pecados, porque andas perdidos y no puede ver nada. El hijo de Dios es la respuesta por tu vita.
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Without the Senor, you cannot have eternal life. You are going to die with your sins, because you are lost and you cannot see nothing. The son of God is the answer.

:) is this accurate?


I know, I know, I know. By the way, I might add, know Jesus; know life, no Jesus; no life!
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I know Jesus, even better than you :) it's just that I don't know Jesus as God :), He was just a prophet :)
 
Grace Seeker said:
So, what does that tell you?
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That you two are right and I'm on the wrong belief?

no it does not.

It tells me that this is a business where drama is encouraged to attract more of your kind, perhaps donate or at the very least give approval saying how good little Mozlems you are for keeping these fundamentalists at bay
 
vpb said:
Trumble said that he is a kind of atheist, which I was suprized, so that's why I said a Buthist. if it would have happened that I have some other belief, and somebody says Muslxxx , then I wouldn't mind :) it's not about mocking.
but I hope Trumble is not offended :)
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OK. I read the pun you were going for with "Buthist" slightly differently and came up with a different one than you apparently intended. Thanks for the clarification.

And I hope you weren't offended by my intentional mis-spelling of Islam. If you (or for that matter any other Muslims) were I will go back and edit it.
 

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