Who & what is Israel?

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therebbe said:
My entitlement is under the fact that I follow the Torah and G-d's law.
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It is the Torah that DEFINES the tribal lands - you're the one who sees fit to blur it all into one land, as if you gracefully inherited them all. Yet there is no passage in the Torah stating you have that right. Inheritance laws would normally apply - if you didn't have a hand in destroying them, but...

therebbe said:
If Americans thought like you we would give medals of honor to baby killers like Zarqawi.
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Considering all this happy-joy can be traced directly to Palestine, I wouldn't talk. Those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it and I'm sick of seeing this play out like a broken record! Here we go again... for the third f--king time! Zarqawi's father was a Palestinian who fought against Israel. I often wonder what his life would have been like, had none of this ever happened?

therebbe said:
Want to talk about violence between to groups of the same religion? Look at Iraq.
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That can be fixed if I have any say in it.

Ninth Scribe
 
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For the first sixty years, the kings of Judah aimed at re-establishing their authority over the kingdom of the other ten tribes, so that there was a state of perpetual war between them. For the following eighty years, there was no open war between them. For the most part, they were in friendly alliance, co-operating against their common enemies, especially against Damascus. After the destruction of Israel, Judah continued to exist for about a century and a half until its final overthrow in (586 BCE) by Nebuzar-adan, who was captain of Nebuchadnezzar's body-guard (2 Kings 25:8-21), an event which also saw the destruction of the First Temple.
 
therebbe said:
The source is the Bible.

You states the Bible says your opinion. I proved your wrong by pointing you to what the bible says. You can believe the Quran story if you want but don't claim the Bible makes your point when it obviously does not.
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ha? I don't understand what you are trying to say here... besides if I am to use a "bible" I'd use the original bible of barnbas... not the man-made one that caters to your beliefs..... or at least read one in Aramiac or Arabic.. at that point not much would be lost in translation....
it really is inconsequential to me what you believe...
we will always have 3eed Al'adha
the eid of sacrifice, it will always be the start of pilgrimage for 1.4 billion Muslims........
whereas you can go chasing imaginary phantoms on mount Ararat, or Joesph's tomb in a nouvea town, or a sacrifical place that is not even historically accurate.........
 
Very simple:

You say Issac wasn't even born when God asked Abraham to sacrifice his ONLY son as per your bible. Ismael is his first born....... but we can keep at this till kingdom come!

Then I say Wrong. And the continue to prove you wrong using the bible as my source.
 
your point being? one of us is wrong and frankly we way out number you... just last year alone there were 70 conversions from Judiasm to Islam in Israel alone!
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3274735,00.html

you can continue to derdge up this point... or we simply can agree to disagree and call it a day... as I have more pressing things to attend to....
peace!
 
one of us is wrong and frankly we way out number you...
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Hahahahaha!!! That was So funny! Can't breathe laughing to hard! Do you realize that Judaism does not let you convert in 2 minutes like Islam... It takes around a year and many tim es people are discouraged...

Second... If you say Islam is right because you have 1 Billion people... then by your LOGIC Jesus was G-d because 2 BILLION people believe that.

So are we still playing the whole, majority believes this is right so it must be game?
 
2 billion xtians don't believe Jesus was the son of God as there are tons of different sects with varying understandings as different as can be....... research and learn........
Judiasm isn't the oldest Monothe religion... Islam is... and has been as long as there has been religion on earth......... I believe the early true Jews were Muslim.........
pls therebe I don't want to argue with you... it is futile... you believe what you will, and I what I will... whole point of this ad hominem... is that when you write of your beliefs... you should say according to Judiasm....... I'd be less cavalier about the amount of assertion I make... considering many others will/ can still prove you wrong using the same source you prescribe.... I have 3 different versions of the bible here... which one do I use to make a point?
 
2 billion xtians don't believe Jesus was the son of God as there are tons of different sects with varying understandings as different as can be
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All sects of Christianity believe that Jesus was the son of G-d. I think you should take a few comparative religion classes.

Judiasm isn't the oldest Monothe religion... Islam is... and has been as long as there has been religion on earth.........
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Responding would make it seem that it is actually a legitamite argument. :giggling:

Jews who followed the Torah before Islam and the Quran were not Muslim. They claimed to be Jews, and followed Jewish law.

Whatever. Believe what you want.

I hope your faith does not come from (we are more than you) because if so, it shows how weak your faith is, because your draw it from numbers.
 
ummmmmm... no NOT all Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God....Unitarians for instance reject the divinity of Jesus, but do recognize him (Jesus) as a great moral teacher.

Guess your thought processes isn't immaculate after all if I put a dent in that theory of yours?... I have studied theology extensively, and think it is very important to research before you write... lest someone want you to back up your claims........
peace
 
Making a numbers argument is sort of strange in the context of talking to a Jew, since they have been a minority in every country they inhabited before the return to Israel. Not that I'm picking sides here or anything, but that argument seemed slightly odd in the context of the conversation.
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
ummmmmm... no NOT all Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God....Unitarians for instance reject the divinity of Jesus, but do recognize him (Jesus) as a great moral teacher.

Guess your thought processes isn't immaculate after all if I put a dent in that theory of yours?... I have studied theology extensively, and think it is very important to research before you write... lest someone want you to back up your claims........
peace
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There are the odd rebellious sect in any religion, but the whole concept of Christianity is based on the belief that Jesus Christ formed a new covenant and is the Son of God.
 
Keltoi said:
There are the odd rebellious sect in any religion, but the whole concept of Christianity is based on the belief that Jesus Christ formed a new covenant and is the Son of God.
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Constantine's records. He merged the records of Sol Invictus (Romanised version of the Persian Sun God, Mithras) with that of Jesus. His intention was to honor him... but you know what they say about good intentions?

Ninth Scribe
 
ummmmmm... no NOT all Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God....Unitarians for instance reject the divinity of Jesus, but do recognize him (Jesus) as a great moral teacher.
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Right... and how many of the 2 billion Christians are unitairans again?
 
Good come back for having your foot in your mouth? touche
 
They seem to think they are....... and I believe they are not the only sect to believe in Jesus as a great moral teacher instead of a son to God.
... I just can't remember the others right off the bat now without looking it up........
I have no problems with Christians not recognizing some of their own as non-Christians... it really doesn't affect me one way or the other.... it is something between them and God...... and them and whomever rounds up numbers for stats!
 
and them and whomever rounds up numbers for stats!
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The point I was making is that, saying someone is right because a majority agrees with them is nonsense, and an argument that shows lack of knowledge.
 
Great we'll have to take that illuminated statement and apply it to the Unitarians who seem to "reject" Christian faith and instead of labeling them as "odd rebellious" or "are they considered Christians?" to possibly they are the only right group while the rest of Christianity is blinded.... since just because they don't agree with the majority shouldn't make them wrong... after all it is nonsensical and shows lack of knowledge.....
thanks for the double edged hypocrisy... should two wrong statements be allowed to nullify each other?
 
I'm not saying they are right or wrong. I am saying that there are over two billion Christians on earth so if we use your logic, then Christianity is the correct religion. Which is why I label that logic ridiculous. The fact that they are right or wrong cannot be furthest from the point.
 

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