Why are you an atheist?

[Burninglight]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Seems you have much to learn in logic, argumentation and criticism. This will be fun pawning you.

Lol, atheist are pawned all the time!

 

[atheistbynature]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

ohoo, hold your horses. Dont be so sure of yourself, much like how you dont understand how theists can be so sure.

Most importantly, you are confusing arguments. On one hand you are questioning if God exists or not, while at the same time you are throwing out the argument that God is Maniac for throwing ppl in Hellfire for disbelief. This argument assumes that God exists, while your first statements says you are not sure if God exists or not.

So are you confused about your position? What EXACTLY is your position?

Seems you have much to learn in logic, argumentation and criticism. This will be fun pawning you.

My position is that, whilst I can't prove god does not exist I adopt a default atheist/agnostic position until evidence comes along.

But I'm not that concerned about the existence of a general god or not, I am close to certain that specific religions are false and I find that fairly undeniable. As I have said this is because the major religions state 2 contradictory things:

• God is just and loving
• God tortures people based on there lack of belief in something which has at best insufficient evidence

This is not a personal attack on god so I don't have to assume his existence but a contradiction in holly books.

I think you are too confident in you pawning ability but...bring it on.

 

[atheistbynature]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

eltromagnetic force is used to describe atoms holding together, but it is still in theory.

and etc.

I think you are just using the fallacy of throwing lots of arguments at me in order that by the time I've answered them you have a load more. These arguments are only enough to give you a hunch that a deist god exists not enough to justify a Christian god that thinks his existence is so obvious that he can justify sending people to hell for not believing.

Please provide this perfectly strong piece of evidence that your god exists.



thank you.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

My position is that, whilst I can't prove god does not exist I adopt a default atheist/agnostic position until evidence comes along.

But I'm not that concerned about the existence of a general god or not, I am close to certain that specific religions are false and I find that fairly undeniable. As I have said this is because the major religions state 2 contradictory things:

• God is just and loving
• God tortures people based on there lack of belief in something which has at best insufficient evidence

This is not a personal attack on god so I don't have to assume his existence but a contradiction in holly books.

I think you are too confident in you pawning ability but...bring it on.

Dont know which God you've been worshipping, Islamic God is Just and Wrathful. So its not a contradiction.

Ooh hell yea, I am indeed self-confident. A good quality to have, you can burn in the flames of jealousy.

 

[Burninglight]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I think you are just using the fallacy of throwing lots of arguments at me in order that by the time I've answered them you have a load more. These arguments are only enough to give you a hunch that a deist god exists not enough to justify a Christian god that thinks his existence is so obvious that he can justify sending people to hell for not believing.

Please provide this perfectly strong piece of evidence that your god exists.

The Muslim God sends to hell for unbelief as well as the "Christian God." For your information, the Christian God is the God of Abraham who is the very same God of the Muslims; at least we both claim Him to be; so, you cannot count on Allah or gain favor by what you call the "Christian God" as if Muslims will side with you, pfft.

Agnostics and atheist are without excuse when they can look at the heavens and still not believe. Let me say it is written, "Without faith it is impossible to please God. One that comes to God must believe He is, and he is a reward of those that diligently seek Him." You have no faith in God so he is against you. You want proof? Even if someone came back from the dead to tell you, you wouldn't believe.

When it comes to the existence of God, I unite in belief with Muslims, because we have no doubt of God's existence. I didn't ask God to prove himself real, who am I to ask such as thing? I am made in the image of God and so are we all; we are fearfully and wonderfully made. You have eyes but see not. You have hears but hear not. You are lost in darkness awaiting the judgment of God, why don't you cry out to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob asking God's forgiveness for your foolish doubts and to help you see, or ask Him to give you sight and ears to hear the truth of God's existence?

I am not going to argue with you regarding the existence of God. I already know your view and need to know no more. You want proof. Faith is the substance of the things we hope for and evidence of what we do not see. Finally, because you can't see doesn't mean you are justified doubting that He the one true God exist. I know the sun rose today, not because I saw it rise. It is because I see everything because of it.

May you come to the knowledge of truth before it is forever too late.

 

[Burninglight]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Correctopinions? opinions yes, but correct???//?///??/? ;D

 

[atheistbynature]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Dont know which God you've been worshipping, Islamic God is Just and Wrathful. So its not a contradiction.Ooh hell yea, I am indeed self-confident. A good quality to have, you can burn in the flames of jealousy.

Obviously I have not been worshipping a god, else I'd be the only atheist to do so..It is a contradiction because it is not justified to torture people because of their belief's especially when the evidence is inadequate, unless you think it is, in which case we've found the source of our disagreement and I can't really argue with that.Self confidence is good when you are right and bad when you are wrong so make sure you know which one is the case.

 

[atheistbynature]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

you cannot count on Allah or gain favor by what you call the "Christian God" as if Muslims will side with you, pfft.

I'm not expecting muslims to side with me, I think that would be a bit optimistic. I'm just specifying what you need to prove.

Agnostics and atheist are without excuse when they can look at the heavens and still not believe. Let me say it is written, "Without faith it is impossible to please God. One that comes to God must believe He is, and he is a reward of those that diligently seek Him." You have no faith in God so he is against you. You want proof? Even if someone came back from the dead to tell you, you wouldn't believe.

I fail to see how "the heavens" is proof of your or any personal god, this is still weak deistic arguments. No you are wrong someone coming back from the dead and telling me would be sufficient evidence, I currently don't currently have such evidence, I am completely open minded to the idea you are absolutely wrong.

When it comes to the existence of God, I unite in belief with Muslims, because we have no doubt of God's existence. I didn't ask God to prove himself real, who am I to ask such as thing? I am made in the image of God and so are we all; we are fearfully and wonderfully made. You have eyes but see not. You have hears but hear not. You are lost in darkness awaiting the judgment of God, why don't you cry out to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob asking God's forgiveness for your foolish doubts and to help you see, or ask Him to give you sight and ears to hear the truth of God's existence?

I am not going to argue with you regarding the existence of God. I already know your view and need to know no more. You want proof. Faith is the substance of the things we hope for and evidence of what we do not see. Finally, because you can't see doesn't mean you are justified doubting that He the one true God exist. I know the sun rose today, not because I saw it rise. It is because I see everything because of it.

I find the assertion that you have no doubt despite not having "proof" shocking. Faith is, as far as I can see, is not a good substitute for evidence it is just basically saying " I don't have the evidence but I'll believe it anyway".

Please note also that belief is not a choice so if I don't think it's true I can't just believe it without something to change my mind.

You know the sun rose because you've seen it rise before, or you know others that have seen it rise. If there was just light, then there would be no reason to believe there was a sun. It is evidence you are using.

 

[atheistbynature]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Correctopinions? opinions yes, but correct???//?///??/? ;D

Yes correct

 

[Burninglight]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Please note also that belief is not a choice so if I don't think it's true I can't just believe it without something to change my mind.

Okay, I accept that. If you cannot believe in God, Believe in the good works the prophet Jesus did; he healed the lame, gave sight to the blind rised the dead and healed everyone that came to Him. He fed 5,000 people with two fish and 5 loafs of bread and turned water to wine. Maybe God will show you something that will help you believe. I'll pray He does. Other than that, we really have nothing in common as far spiritual matters. People have shared testimonies with me that they didn't believe and made some kind of an impossible deal with God that work out to convince them. Maybe God would honor your request for proof. But I am sure as heck not going to waste time and argue with you about His existence.

 

[SeekingJoy]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Hello,

I thought I'd join your conversation. Consider that you -- muslims -- tell
or answer 100% truthfully to the questions here, then why shouldn't I tell
the truth. And anyways, I'm interested in this thread.

So telling you the truth, I was a Christian, I studied at a Christian primary
school. My parents are separated, my family on my mother's side Christian,
but the family on my father's side is muslim: but only my father, his wife and
their daughter and son.

I was seeking the truth, because I didn't think Christianity would have the
truth and that would be the straight way to God's paradise. I found the truth
in Islam. My family (father, his wife, their daughter, brother and me) were
muslims, practiced the religion, prayed at mosque, celebrated Eid, fasted in
Ramadhan and all that. Also, we've been to Malaysia for a year and a half.
I studied at an Islamic secondary school, we had about 15 religions subjects
out of 21. I learned to read the Quran, also, learned to write Arabic.

Before I got back to Europe, I was losing faith. I lost it totally a week before
I got home. Then I told my family and my friends that I'm not a muslim -- they
accepted that, except the muslims ones, I lost a lot of them, but I don't mind it.

After all that happened, I found out that there's no conscience, no suffering
whenever I commit sins that are forbidden in Islam and Christianity as well. I
wanted to make 100% pleasure to my body with no regard to my soul. I mean,
I do everything what I want to do, I live out, I get as much pleasure to my flesh
and blood body as I can.

Now I became a human that completely doesn't follow any religion of God, or
worship that's connected with his name: prophets, books and rules.
I regard the prophets as mythology persons. I regard the books as literature
miracles, and I regard the rules as they're nothing but 'barriers' to the believers.

I became a LaVey Satanist. Satanism looks what's good for me and my
self-realization. Satanism doesn't say I'm unworthy, and the best thing:
it doesn't promise heaven or hell.

I believe in science, rationality and logic. That's my story, in a nutshell. Many
other things also happened to make me decide to follow LaVey Satanism, but
those aren't important now.

If you have any question, then feel free to ask me,
SeekingJoy

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

After all that happened, I found out that there's no conscience, no suffering
whenever I commit sins that are forbidden in Islam and Christianity as well. I
wanted to make 100% pleasure to my body with no regard to my soul. I mean,
I do everything what I want to do, I live out, I get as much pleasure to my flesh
and blood body as I can

Ah. You have chosen to worship your desires.

Nothing new.

I thought you offered something radical or something.

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I was seeking the truth, because I didn't think Christianity would have the
truth and that would be the straight way to God's paradise. I found the truth
in Islam. My family (father, his wife, their daughter, brother and me) were
muslims, practiced the religion, prayed at mosque, celebrated Eid, fasted in
Ramadhan and all that. Also, we've been to Malaysia for a year and a half.
I studied at an Islamic secondary school, we had about 15 religions subjects
out of 21. I learned to read the Quran, also, learned to write Arabic.

Your story becomes more and more fantastically implausible.
Let me take a moment to laugh if you allow me.

In this thread: http://www.islamicboard.com/clarifications-about-islam/134311439-fall-lucifer.html you made so many errors on basic Islamic facts, which is impossible for someone who claimed to have studied 15 Islamic subjects, read Qur'an, and wrote arabic.

Please spare us your ignorance.

Yawn.

 

[sister herb]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Salam alaykum

I was atheist before I turned to Islam.

My reason was I just didn´t find God, didn´t understand His meaning in universe.

 

[SeekingJoy]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Your story becomes more and more fantastically implausible.
Let me take a moment to laugh if you allow me.

In this thread: <link> you made so many errors on basic Islamic facts, which is impossible for someone who claimed to have studied 15 Islamic subjects, read Qur'an, and wrote arabic.

Please spare us your ignorance.

Yawn.

Hahaha okay, and you say you muslims are tolerant. Well, not.

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

you say you muslims are tolerant

1. Did I say to you muslims are tolerant?
I thought as a "rational" person, you always base everything on fact and evidence. Where's the evidence dude?
2. Even if we are tolerant, we certainly are not tolerant towards those who are not what they claimed they are.

 

[User29123]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I think some people just leave religion, because of this war and stuff and how religion is manipulated by the media..

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I am atheist because I haven't been indoctrinated into a religious belief, and it is much harder to sell these myths to adults who were not indoctrinated as children by parents and culture. As the guy above said, I can't prove God(s) don't exist, no more than I can prove faeries and leprechauns don't exist, but that is no reason for me to believe they do. As for tolerance on this forum, that ship sailed long ago.

 

[Al-Mufarridun]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I am atheist because I haven't been indoctrinated into a religious belief, and it is much harder to sell these myths to adults who were not indoctrinated as children by parents and culture. As the guy above said, I can't prove God(s) don't exist, no more than I can prove faeries and leprechauns don't exist, but that is no reason for me to believe they do. As for tolerance on this forum, that ship sailed long ago.

you might be surprised to know but you are half way through the primary gate of Islam. In Tawhid, 'the doctrine of Oneness(of God)", the concept of monotheism in Islam, there is the Kalimah, 'the word (of Islamic monotheism)', it is the primary gate into Islam;

Laa ilaaha illa l-laah "There is no god, but Allah(the God)". As an Atheist, you believe in the first part Laa ilaaha "There is no god", if you truly are someone who is sincere and endowed with intelligence and a faculty of reason, I have absolutely no doubt that your intelligence and the universe around you would lead you to believe in the second part of the Kalimah, illa l-laah (but the God)".

I would sincerely advice you to take the time to truly study Islam, start by reading about Tawhid and Islamic monotheism. Read the Quran, and the biography of Muhammad(pbuh). You have nothing to lose. I pray that you reach through your reason and intelect, a day or a night, when you complete the Kalimah of Laa ilaaha illa l-laah, before your term in this transcient life ends.

I now leave you with this verse from the Qur'an;

Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and earth, and the alternation of the night and the day, and the [great] ships which sail through the sea with that which benefits people, and what Allah has sent down from the heavens of rain, giving life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and dispersing therein every [kind of] moving creature, and [His] directing of the winds and the clouds controlled between the heaven and the earth are signs for a people who use reason. (Baqarah v. 164)

Peace be with you,

 

[Scimitar]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Hahaha okay, and you say you muslims are tolerant. Well, not.

Please, let's not confuse tolerance for stupidity ok?

After following your posts, I too have noticed many inconsistencies with your claims of having studied Islam, and your current understanding of it.

let me give you an example of tolerance that is relevant here, to this situation.

I am here on this site, with you, and despite your rather exuberant claims of having studied islam, I find your understanding of it needs a lot of work. Even the basic understanding of it. So I suggest you go and recorrect that, before you make fundamental errors on this site again. Me giving you advice, is a part of my tolerance...

As for Muslims? Let me quote a friend of yours... Sir George Bernard Shaw "The best thing I have seen on this planet is the religion of Islam, the worst thing I have seen are people who follow it." Don't paint a religion bad because of the people mate... there are good apples and bad apples everywhere, even with your own flock.

Another guy, I forget his name said the following "When I knew Muslims, I didn't want to know Islam, but now that I know my Islam, I don't want to know those Muslims"...

... He must have kept bad company I guess.

I wish I could come to common terms with you, I really do... however, I see only one possible avenue for this to happen: You are an atheist, and claim "there is no God worthy of worship"

Well done, you just claimed half the shahada (declaration of faith)... time to get working on the "Except Allah and Muhammad (pbuh) is HIS messenger"

Scimi