Why are you an atheist?

[MustafaMc]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Assalamu alaikum, Sister SFatima. Thank you for your kind comments. The knowledge and understanding that I have comes only from Allah (swt) and to Him belongs the praise and glory forever and ever. Different people see evidence of Allah (swt) in different things and for me it is in life itself and the various biological systems required. Even as a Christian today may read the Quran and walk away unimpressed, so also do atheists see the same biological systems and yet believe that life itself and the various species of life came about completely by chance. Even so, I believe that my reading of the Quran and seeing its Truth is akin to my scientific knowledge leading toward faith in my Creator which came about only by the Will of Allah. He had mercy on me to guide me to faith while others remain yet astray. I am an example of, "There but for the grace of God, so go I." How can I deal harshly with those who have not been shown the same mercy as I have been shown?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

do you believe that our universe is created or not?

I don't pretend to know. Could be it was spawned by another universe in a multiverse. Could be it has always existed and has oscilated between big bangs and big crunches. Someday science may shed more light on this but at present we have only loose theories.

Most atheists I know thinks science explains everything.

I have never met such an atheist, and I know many. The beautiful thing about science is that it is always open to revision and new evidence and theories are adjusted. This is a stark conrast to "revelation". Science and "faith" really come from opposite approaches in seeking knowledge.

I rather concern myself with things that are verifiable scientifically and from my perspective ToE is no less of a belief system than any other religion

I would note that while evolution is our current best scientific theory with the most evidence, it is probably flawed and will probably be adjusted as science progresses, maybe even be replaced. I would also note that you don't have to push evolution to be an atheist.

 

[GuestFellow]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I would like to ask atheists how life started? I would like a detailed answer. If they don't know, then that's fine.

We're engaged actually, if you really must know. And she's introduced me to a whole different set of "muslims" who are not in any way represented on this board.

That was quick.

EDIT: badly phrased question

 

[جوري]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

EDIT: badly phrased question

Which came first the chicken or the egg and have them work that process out for you scientifically will do the trick...

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I would like to ask atheists how life started? I would like a detailed answer. If they don't know, then that's fine.

I can't speak for al atheists, but for me no I am not certain. Abiogenesis and Evolution are the best current scientific theories I'm aware of.

That was quick.

What can I say? lol She's an awesome woman and we're very much in love.

 

[Scimitar]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Have fun folks.

Is that a dog in hijaab in your avatar?

 

[CosmicPathos]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

We're engaged actually, if you really must know. And she's introduced me to a whole different set of "muslims" who are not in any way represented on this board.

I am back.

I am surprised that living in Canada you never got to meet this new whole set of "muslims." I think I may know what you are talking about. I do not think we have given them the permission to identify with our religion. And we would not want them to be represented on this board anyways!

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I don't pretend to know.

But what is actually your belief?

Could be it was spawned by another universe in a multiverse

And do you think that this other universe in a multiverse is created or not?

Could be it has always existed and has oscilated between big bangs and big crunches.

Are you saying that our universe has always existed? ie. never had beginning and will never end?
Is this theory supported by science and logic?

Someday science may shed more light on this but at present we have only loose theories.

why only those loose theories?
are you sure there's not any other theories that may be more plausible?

I have never met such an atheist, and I know many. The beautiful thing about science is that it is always open to revision and new evidence and theories are adjusted. This is a stark conrast to "revelation". Science and "faith" really come from opposite approaches in seeking knowledge.

I agree with you that science is always open to revision, and in fact, I guarantee you that science will always subject to revision.
I also observe that most atheists I know swear by current science, although we all agree that science will always subject to revision.

 

[GuestFellow]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I can't speak for al atheists, but for me no I am not certain. Abiogenesis and Evolution are the best current scientific theories I'm aware of.

I'm aware of the theories but I would like you to explain it.

What can I say? lol She's an awesome woman and we're very much in love.

All the best!

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Is that a dog in hijaab in your avatar?

No, that is my dog after his bath, taken about 7 years ago. I always thought his face looks like a cartoon character in the photo so I've used it as an avatar on many forums.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

hows your Muslim fiance? have you deceived her by saying you are a Muslim?Or you were up straight about atheism?

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

hows your Muslim fiance? have you deceived her by saying you are a Muslim?Or you were up straight about atheism?

I know plenty of women professing to be muslims who are going at it with ANY random guy. I don't think pygo needs to deceive anyone.

With that, let's keep the discussion within the topic.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

You people bring up my fiance out of nowhere, and then imply that she'll go at it with any random guy, and then you say change the topic? Really?

 

[CosmicPathos]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

she must have been really really reallllly open minded that we lot cant perceive the openness of her mind.

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

You people bring up my fiance out of nowhere, and then imply that she'll go at it with any random guy, and then you say change the topic? Really?

Excuse me?

Where/when did I say that your fiancee will go at it with any random guy or even imply such thing?
I mentioned that "I know plenty of women", so unless you think I personally know your fiancee, this phrase/statement does not include your fiancee. Sometimes I worry about your comprehension.
So fear not, I have no judgement whatsoever towards your fiancee.

By the way, can you please answer my questions in post #108 if you don't mind?

 

[CosmicPathos]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

can you tell me where do you derive your morals from?

 

[Abz2000]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

well at least the dog's well covered - no cause for concern there

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

why only those loose theories?
are you sure there's not any other theories that may be more plausible?

A lot of things are plausible. These theories have been drawn up by actual scientists relying on what little evidence we have though, and not arrived at by "devine revelation" and "faith", both of which are antithetical to science and reason. You probably don't like to hear that answer, but then you did ask the question.

I also observe that most atheists I know swear by current science, although we all agree that science will always subject to revision.

Current science is the best explanation we now have, supported by the most evidence we now have.

 

[Abz2000]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

These theories have been drawn up by actual scientists relying on what little evidence we have though, and not arrived at by "devine revelation" and "faith", both of which are antithetical to science and reason. You probably don't like to hear that answer, but then you did ask the question.

Actually people come to faith through reason, when they come to the conclusion that there is no longer any denying the things they see pointing to the truth and no other possible way to explain it.
Do you think all the pagan Arabs came to Islam because of faith?
Or was it because they came to the conclusion that the signs the prophet pbuh came with could no longer be denied?
I would say they had no faith to start with but used reason, and saw that the blind hatred of their leaders towards the prophet pbuh who was calling them to the best of paths, was without reason.
And they were vindicated by the fact that in the same generation, this way of life had overcome the Arabian peninsula, the persian empire and the Byzantine empire, and continues to expand like wildfire every day.

If divine revelation gives the most plausible and resilient answer, it is UNscientific and UNreasonable to reject it just because you know you can't control people once they see God as above you. The fact is that most atheists see their tyrant leaders as the most powerful and worthy of obedience personalities scientifically fathomable - whose law is to be followed unconditionally despite all their lies, corruption and murderous wars.
Hence it is in their interest to ensure that people reject the notion of Almighty God despite all the signs staring them in the face.

Sean Stone, son of controversial director Oliver Stone, converted to Islam in Iran last week and says he’s already experiencing a Hollywood backlash. “I’ve already experienced the reverse of anti-Semitism, having people within the film industry express a reluctance to work with me now that I have said a simple prayer, ‘There is no God but God, and Mohammed is his messenger.’ I am sure I have [bleeped] off some powerful people.”

"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.
It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent,
for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie,
and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State."
-Chief Nazi 'Information Officer' Dr. Joseph P. Goebbels

Faith gives you the resolve to oppose them and die in the process of rectifying the status quo if necessary, that makes real men, that is reasonable.

 

[Who Am I?]

Re: why are you a Athiest?



Leave the dog alone.

That's all I have to say at this point.

OK, carry on with your regularly scheduled argument.