Why are you an atheist?

[جوري]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I am atheist because I haven't been indoctrinated into a religious belief, and it is much harder to sell these myths to adults who were not indoctrinated as children by parents and culture. As the guy above said, I can't prove God(s) don't exist, no more than I can prove faeries and leprechauns don't exist, but that is no reason for me to believe they do. As for tolerance on this forum, that ship sailed long ago.

Oh you've been indoctrinated into something.. given that atheism is much a belief as anything else. You believe God doesn't exist, yet have not given a valid argument to why not nor an unassailable explanation to the phenomenons seemingly occurring on their 'own volition' in the physical world you find yourself in. As for leprechauns & fairies, well it is unfortunate that every dialogue existing between people of reason and atheists has to descend down to drivel as if an atheist can't reason beyond a school boy's silliness and antics..
Next time you question the tolerance on any forum, shift gears a little and think of what factor you contributed to that outcome.. you'd be surprised as how you yourself are being perceived by others...

best,

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I am atheist because I haven't been indoctrinated into a religious belief, and it is much harder to sell these myths to adults who were not indoctrinated as children by parents and culture. As the guy above said, I can't prove God(s) don't exist, no more than I can prove faeries and leprechauns don't exist, but that is no reason for me to believe they do. As for tolerance on this forum, that ship sailed long ago.

Hey

I thought you left the forum? What has upset you?

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Greetings of peace

I became a LaVey Satanist. Satanism looks what's good for me and my
self-realization. Satanism doesn't say I'm unworthy, and the best thing:
it doesn't promise heaven or hell.

Is this Anton Lavey's faith you speak of?!

Okay, can you elaborate on the 'goods' you learnt from satanism, please.

I believe one of them is if someone hits you, you hit them back, revenge is incumbant.. if i'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

And so you mean being a muslim means we've forgot about self realization?! I seriously don't understand what you found appealing in regards to satanism by compromising a faith that taught you how to live. If forgiving someone, controlling anger, treating others how you would want to be treated, etc etc is us forgetting how we humans should be and not going out of bounds, by getting angry and killing someone or out of revenge them i'm sorry your wrong.

Let me tell you, since you dislike the concept of protecting one from sin,you want to free yourself, be absolutely free, this opens the door for you to do what so ever you like, including the injust. if you disagree, then your only agreeying with every religion that teaches about God Allmighty.

Just to inform you nor does Allaah SWT inform us that we are unworthy, or else all that we've been commanded to do would have not benefited each and every one of us alone.

 

[جوري]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Hey

I thought you left the forum? What has upset you?

:lol: I love your responses

 

[GuestFellow]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Hello,


After all that happened, I found out that there's no conscience, no suffering
whenever I commit sins that are forbidden in Islam and Christianity as well. I
wanted to make 100% pleasure to my body with no regard to my soul. I mean,
I do everything what I want to do, I live out, I get as much pleasure to my flesh
and blood body as I can.

Hi,

What do you mean by that?

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

As for tolerance on this forum, that ship sailed long ago.

Not quite sure what you meant by this.

I don't know how this forum can be more tolerant. This forum certainly tolerate your presence here; you have been here for 6 six years, never given any infraction points (except a one time 10 point), no one deleted your posts (except when you engaged in personal bickering), and do not forget the fact that you are at the diagonally opposite beliefs to the muslims.

I just hope you do not mistake/confuse disagreements with intolerance?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Oh you've been indoctrinated into something.. given that atheism is much a belief as anything else. You believe God doesn't exist

I don't have any belief that a god, goddess, or gods exist, no. But that isn't a belief in the same way that you hold one. I'm perfectly open to the idea that a God COULD exist.... but like the faeries, leprechauns, ESP, ghosts, invisible space aliens amongst us, or any number of other things I have no reason to believe one (or more) does exist. When you express belief in something that is non-falsifiable, don't be surprised when others don't join you in your beliefs.

yet have not given a valid argument to why not nor an unassailable explanation to the phenomenons seemingly occurring on their 'own volition' in the physical world you find yourself in.

I don't have to. Unlike you muslims and christians I am perfectly ok with admitting that I don't know how everything came to be or how everything works. I do not feel compelled to create a god of the gaps, or any other filler explanation. Admitting what you don't know is the first step towards knowledge. I do enjoy how science uncovers these mysteries step by step and I am open to wherever that research takes us (but always realizing we don't know things 100%). Who knows, maybe someday we WILL have actual evidence to support that one of the above things exist.

As for leprechauns & fairies, well it is unfortunate that every dialogue existing between people of reason and atheists has to descend down to drivel

What comparison point would you prefer be used? We could refer to Zeus or Apollo, or maybe Hindu Gods (for a modern comparison) but in doing so we're losing most of the point because if we did believe in these we wouldn't be atheists. But ok, we'll put it this way. I have no more reason to believe Allah exists than you have to believe native american ancestor spirits exist.

you'd be surprised as how you yourself are being perceived by others...

No, I really wouldn't be at all surprised at how I and any other atheist is perceived on this forum. We had a thread here with one of your "brothers" calling for our deaths and others fine with that and upset about cartoons.

I thought you left the forum? What has upset you?

I did leave the forum, but came back when somebody here (who shall remain anonymous for fear of no doubt being ostracized) pointed me to the "why are atheists so upset at religion" thread and that no atheist responded to it while others put forth a bunch of misconceptions. This thread then also asked a question specifically to atheists so I posted the above. Funny thing is that after I posted it I perfectly predicted the responses to it. One guy saying "atheists are halfway to muslims" (heard that a dozen times, it is only true semantically), one lady defensively lashing out as usual, and one asking "why are you so upset" as if any atheist who posts about religion must be upset. I'm not, at all. My reaction to all of this is more of a face palm.

One thing that never ceases to amaze me on this board is that people keep asking questions to atheists, and then they either ignore or snap at the answers. If people don't wan't the answers, why do they keep asking the questions?

Have fun folks.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Believe in the good works the prophet Jesus did; he healed the lame, gave sight to the blind rised the dead and healed everyone that came to Him. He fed 5,000 people with two fish and 5 loafs of bread and turned water to wine.

Why should we believe any of that? Because others have believed it? Because it is written in a book? Why should we believe this book anymore than other folk stories and myths?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I became a LaVey Satanist. Satanism looks what's good for me and my
self-realization. Satanism doesn't say I'm unworthy, and the best thing:
it doesn't promise heaven or hell.

Neither does humanism, secular budhism, and a whole host of other worldviews. Why on earth would you fall into a cult like Lavey Satanism? Lavey and Crowley were both charletons.

 

[جوري]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I don't have any belief that a god, goddess, or gods exist, no. But that isn't a belief in the same way that you hold one. I'm perfectly open to the idea that a God COULD exist.... but like the faeries, leprechauns, ESP, ghosts, invisible space aliens amongst us, or any number of other things I have no reason to believe one (or more) does exist. When you express belief in something that is non-falsifiable, don't be surprised when others don't join you in your beliefs.

That's actually very applicable to you given that you're starting with a double negative. See above as I don't wish to repeat myself. Bull**** doesn't an argument make!

I don't have to. Unlike you muslims and christians I am perfectly ok with admitting that I don't know how everything came to be or how everything works. I do not feel compelled to create a god of the gaps, or any other filler explanation. Admitting what you don't know is the first step towards knowledge. I do enjoy how science uncovers these mysteries step by step and I am open to wherever that research takes us (but always realizing we don't know things 100%). Who knows, maybe someday we WILL have actual evidence to support that one of the above things exist.

Indeed and no one is forcing you to! You choose to be on Islamic board for over a half a decade and you choose to nullify your own words by coming back after that grand sendoff. Makes your character and personal convictions less credible as time goes by.
I have my doubts that you have the slightest clue as to how science actually works to hang on to it as a personal straw man and dispense it in such a clumsy manner whenever you feel strapped for a seasoned argument. I assure you peppering your post with the word science isn't going to cut it. Tell you what, when the time comes and they call you down to Stockholm to claim that Nobel can you have this conversation with a dash more bravado.

What comparison point would you prefer be used? We could refer to Zeus or Apollo, or maybe Hindu Gods (for a modern comparison) but in doing so we're losing most of the point because if we did believe in these we wouldn't be atheists. But ok, we'll put it this way. I have no more reason to believe Allah exists than you have to believe native american ancestor spirits exist.

There's no comparison point as you're starting off from an already silly platform. I don't know anyone with the desire to engage that level of puerility. If you really had any interest in intelligent conversation you could start off with God as light cone which is an acceptable theory in physics. But you're not interested in that and never have been for the over half decade you've been here. You're interested in descending down to word play where you can ensnare at best a pubertal teenager with some zeal.

No, I really wouldn't be at all surprised at how I and any other atheist is perceived on this forum. We had a thread here with one of your "brothers" calling for our deaths and others fine with that and upset about cartoons.

In what way would you like to be a brother?
and what in your personal opinion is worst-- calling for the death of someone or actually committing the act against entire nations as your own brethren do for sport?

I did leave the forum, but came back when somebody here (who shall remain anonymous for fear of no doubt being ostracized) pointed me to the "why are atheists so upset at religion" thread and that no atheist responded to it while others put forth a bunch of misconceptions. This thread then also asked a question specifically to atheists so I posted the above. Funny thing is that after I posted it I perfectly predicted the responses to it. One guy saying "atheists are halfway to muslims" (heard that a dozen times, it is only true semantically), one lady defensively lashing out as usual, and one asking "why are you so upset" as if any atheist who posts about religion must be upset. I'm not, at all. My reaction to all of this is more of a face palm.

We find you equally predictable and after over a half a decade whether or not your tinkled the two P you just did it wouldn't make a slight bit of a difference, as your belief or lack thereof is of any importance. Each soul is held in pledge by its own deeds. I doubt anyone with half a mind really gives a fig as to what you or any atheist believe. It is rather the desire of some to either spread da3wa or understand how the atheist mind works, but the atheist mind is really not at all complex in fact I'd say it exists somewhere at a third grade level and never outgrows it!

One thing that never ceases to amaze me on this board is that people keep asking questions to atheists, and then they either ignore or snap at the answers. If people don't wan't the answers, why do they keep asking the questions?

It never ceases to amuse me either, how many atheists spend quite a substantial sum of their otherwise meaningless pointless lives on religious forums..

Have fun folks.

& you please do try to enjoy that hiatus ..

best,

 

[جوري]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

P.S. whatever happened to your bikini clad "Muslim" babe? Is that why we detect this underlying note of bitterness in your tone? woe is me? ^o)
I was actually rooting that the both of you would find one another and learn to walk aright.. guess not-- old habits die hard!..

best,

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

God as light cone which is an acceptable theory in physics.

This was buried in amongst the jungle of adhoms. Never heard of "God as light cone". I'll look it up sometime.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

P.S. whatever happened to your bikini clad "Muslim" babe? Is that why we detect this underlying note of bitterness in your tone? woe is me? ^o)
I was actually rooting that the both of you would find one another and learn to walk aright.. guess not-- old habits die hard!..

best,

We're engaged actually, if you really must know. And she's introduced me to a whole different set of "muslims" who are not in any way represented on this board.

 

[جوري]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

This was buried in amongst the jungle of adhoms. Never heard of "God as light cone". I'll look it up sometime.

Not sure which is more pitiable your gross misuse of 'adhoms' to something you've already admitted never hearing about. Or the fact that you're unable to hold an abstract thought without resorting to children's books for inspiration.

We're engaged actually, if you really must know. And she's introduced me to a whole different set of "muslims" who are not in any way represented on this board.

There's no shortage of innovators...Good luck with all of that!

best,

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I am perfectly ok with admitting that I don't know how everything came to be or how everything works

do you believe that our universe is created or not?

I am open to wherever that research takes us (but always realizing we don't know things 100%)

Most atheists I know thinks science explains everything.

 

[Aprender]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

And she's introduced me to a whole different set of "muslims" who are not in any way represented on this board.

Hmm. And are those the liberal Muslims? Hence the quotation marks?

But I resent that last part of your statement there by saying the the "muslims" aren't represented on this board. Even when I was a "Christian", members here treated me with kindness and respect and if I made an offensive post or stepped out of line, I was corrected accordingly. My feelings weren't hurt by it even though there were some things that we all disagreed on initially. I never felt personally attacked by holding those views and having people call me out on the ones that they felt were total crap or baseless.

I'm just surprised that you feel this way. Especially given that I'm sure you haven't met every Muslim on this message board either...

 

[جوري]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

Most atheists I know thinks science explains everything.

Yet don't know how to use it in a complete sentence or how it actually works to save their dear life..
The irony is almost painful if you think about it..

 

[MustafaMc]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

I am perfectly ok with admitting that I don't know how everything came to be or how everything works. I do not feel compelled to create a god of the gaps, or any other filler explanation. Admitting what you don't know is the first step towards knowledge.

I also am not afraid to admit that I don't know everything, but Allah has willed that I have a pretty good understanding of genetics, molecular biology and statistics. I don't understand where the concept 'god of the gaps' comes from. Perhaps it is an attempt to discredit theists as only believing in God because there are apparent 'gaps' in ToE that have yet to be explained. I rather concern myself with things that are verifiable scientifically and from my perspective ToE is no less of a belief system than any other religion, including Satanism. I see evidence of a Creator in what I know of the intricate details of life systems and say 'Glory be to Allah', while you seem to say 'Bah, humbug!' The problem that I have with people adamantly adhering to ToE and denying the involvement of a Higher Power is that they thereby deny the possibility of that Higher Power communication with humans to convey a message for how we are supposed to live our lives. There is no scientifically verifiable evidence for Allah (as I noted on a thread I started) or for resureection from the dead, Judgment Day, Paradise or the Hellfire. These are matters of faith that perhaps may have once been a seed planted in my mind by others, but I believe that my faith is much more than a matter of deing indoctrinated or 'brainwashed' to believe a certain way. Perhaps also that seed of faith was never instilled in you and a seed of disdain for all things religious was planted instead. If that is the case, I wonder why you come here.

I do enjoy how science uncovers these mysteries step by step and I am open to wherever that research takes us (but always realizing we don't know things 100%).

I am a scientist and I too thoroughly enjoy learning and developing new things through science. I anxiously await how science can duplicate in a completely natural abiotic setting conditions whereby 1) a single strand of DNA with the bases adenine, cytosine, guanine and thymine can self generate from basic elements of C, H, O, N and P, 2) that strand of DNA can transcribe itself into mRNA, 3) 21 different amino acids can likewise spontaneously self generate at the same time and place from the basic elements of C, H, O, and N, 4) various amino acid-specific tRNA, each of 3 nucleic acid base pairs, recognize and bind to those afore mentioned amino acids and transport them to the mRNA, 5) the mRNA will bind with a sequence of specific counter-matching tRNA with a specific amino acid to assemble a specific chain of amino acids to generate a functional protein. However, science may actually do the reverse and generate a strand of DNA from self assembling proteins. The end result is that this scheme does not have an extremely low probability of occuring, it is statistically an impossibility for this to occur in the manner I described outside of a previously existing organism. Now I know that ToE does not touch on the source for the seminal 'Common Ancestor'; however, abiogenesis is an essential aspect of proving that Allah (swt) did not create the existant and extinct life forms and species according to His Will.

 

['Abd Al-Maajid]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

"I am an atheist because I fail to see the impeccable world around me which could have never been a result of just 'evolution'." :X

 

[SFatima]

Re: why are you a Athiest?

@ mustafamc, you must write a small book about what you know and how you understand the athiest argument, I would certainly recommend it since your posts are quite convincing MashAllah.