Why do you live in the West if you hate it so?

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in the west Muslim males most of the time cannot acquire a visa acnnot immigrate either.Heck they got exams for us wow!we are all sexists!Allahu Akbar!
 
Caliphate said:
Just because the west gave few options to muslims such as living in their countries doesnt mean that I have love for the west. I hate it as I hate all other countries in the world as they all practice a corrupt and dark age man-made laws such as democracy and secularism which makes humanity suffer in all corners of the world from USA to Algeria and all the way around.
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How does humanity suffer in all corners of the world from the USA to Algeria because of democracy and secularism? Why haven't they used their rights in a democratic system to change it if it is so awful? Why do so many people want to leave non-democratic and non-secular countries and move to the West? Why do so few of your Muslim bretheren agree with you on that?

I was rasied in the west, and indeed I am not thankfull to the corrupt west who plounder our resources and richness in our countries, and who made our parents imigrants who could not even defend their own rights in their homelands.
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Exactly how is the West plundering your resources and riches? Riches which, I notice, you did not have until the West pointed them out to you and provided the technology to develop them. How did the West make your parents immigrants? Forced them on boats at gun point perhaps?

I am not thankfull to those who kill my brothers and sisters in Palestine, chechnya, kashmir, Iraq and Afghanista.
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Exactly what has any of that to do with the West? Especially that whole Palestine, Chechnya and Kashmir thing? None of those people are from the West. And there is the problem of racially profiling. It is wrong to say that because Osama kills people, all Muslims are murderers. In what sense do all Westerners bare any blame for the actions of some? Haven't you just done the equivalent of saying because OBL is a terrorist all Muslims are too?

In one hand the corrupt and dirty west try to make muslims love their values and system by fulfilling few needs, and in another hand they kill, torture, rape and plounder our resources in our own lands under the rulings of the puppet regimes that they created in our lands.
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Actually pretty much all the governments in Muslim lands were created by rejecting the Western puppet governments and imposing popular anti-Western regimes by military coup or the like. The West did not impose Saddam. Arabs loved him for a while.

Wallahi I swear to Allah to whom my soul belongs to, I will never be thankfull or even my children, as all injustices going on in our lands are the fault of the west.
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All of them? There are no bad Muslims in the Muslim world who do bad things on their own without being told by the White House? No Pakistani policemen take bribes without instructions from the Secret Jewish Conspiracy HQ?
 
islam-truth said:
Salaam

Yeah I understand, but someone who's in a worse situation iman wise can't comment of actaul belivers iman.
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:sl:

But it's his opinion which he has right to have, yet it doesn't mean he does right in speaking it out because he knows in our eyes he is the looser.

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Just because the west gave few options to muslims such as living in their countries doesnt mean that I have love for the west. I hate it as I hate all other countries in the world as they all practice a corrupt and dark age man-made laws such as democracy and secularism which makes humanity suffer in all corners of the world from USA to Algeria and all the way around. I was rasied in the west, and indeed I am not thankfull to the corrupt west who plounder our resources and richness in our countries, and who made our parents imigrants who could not even defend their own rights in their homelands. I am not thankfull to those who kill my brothers and sisters in Palestine, chechnya, kashmir, Iraq and Afghanista. In one hand the corrupt and dirty west try to make muslims love their values and system by fulfilling few needs, and in another hand they kill, torture, rape and plounder our resources in our own lands under the rulings of the puppet regimes that they created in our lands. Wallahi I swear to Allah to whom my soul belongs to, I will never be thankfull or even my children, as all injustices going on in our lands are the fault of the west. They burn our houses, rape our women, kill our men and plounder our lands, then our parents ran away from this misery and seeked a better life and a better future. But wallahi no muslim should be naive to think that the west has helped them in any matter, all my thanks belongs to Allah swt. the one who created me, and gave me an intellect to know between right and wrong, justice and injustice. Good and bad. And innocent and guilty. Indeed we are those who suffer from the crimes of the west day and night we see our homes and our honour being burned to the ground. Inshallah sooner or later the corrupt system and values of the west will be burned down, and Islam will prevail in all corners of the world. We will not do what they did, indeed we will save their people and call them to the good and forbid them their dirty culture and lifestyle. We will bring the people of the west from the level of animal thinking to a higher level they never witnessed. What we hate is the corrupt and failure systems of the west which are man-made, and indeed Islam only is the only system to secure the rights of all humanity and to bring justice , peace and security to the world. The west only brings injustice, hate, racism,killings and destruction to all corners of the world, from New Orleans, to Baghdad, From Kabul to England and all of the world. I call all those who are intellectuals to re-think about this fact and consider Islamic State to solve all the suffers and priblems humanity needs to be solved.
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~Mu'MiNaH~ said:
Woah sis... you go girl!
And HeiGou said I was hard core....
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Ughhhh - don't encourage her. That was uneducated salawafahabi garbage that I found embarrassing to read. I wasn't even going to waste the calories typing a response, but I think it's irresponsible to encourage this nonsense.
 
Sorry, i was just saying what I thought you wanted to hear (joking). But I knew what you were talking about.
And if you guys might offend any salafi/wahabis on this forum.
The mods here are trying to promote unity, so let's stay away from the sectarian debates. They aren't beneficial at all, and they just go round in circles.
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marge1 said:
what does it mean then brother dishdash? submission to God which results in peace?
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It means submission - not peace. Where on earth did you get that 'results in peace' nonsense on the end?! Please don't add nor take away...

I have high expectations of sis Mu' as she well knows.
 
dishdash said:
It means submission - not peace. Where on earth did you get that 'results in peace' nonsense on the end?! Please don't add nor take away...

I have high expectations of sis Mu' as she well knows.
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really akhee?
i thot slam was derived from salam which = peace and islam itself = submission therefore submission from peace PEACE!!! :peace:

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dishdash said:
It means submission - not peace. Where on earth did you get that 'results in peace' nonsense on the end?! Please don't add nor take away...

I have high expectations of sis Mu' as she well knows.
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what i meant is that when you submit to God then you get peace! isn't that supposed to be the whole essence of islam akhee?
 
No. It means submission (to God). You can by all means suffix this with whatever you like.

Islam comes from Silm.
 
Misconception 1
Islam is `the religion of peace' because:
the Arabic word Islam is derived from the Arabic word "Al-Salaam" which means peace.

It might seem strange to think of this as a misconception, but in fact it is. The root word of Islam is "al-silm" which means "submission" or "surrender." It is understood to mean "submission to Allah." In spite of whatever noble intention has caused many a Muslim to claim that Islam is derived primarily from peace, this is not true. Allah says in the Qur'an (translated):

[2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have surrendered. [Arabic "Muslimoon"]
A secondary root of Islam may be "Al-Salaam" (peace), however the text of the Qur'an makes it clear that Allah has clearly intended the focus of this way of life to be submission to Him. This entails submission to Him at all times, in times of peace, war, ease, or difficulty.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/misconceptions.html
 
'salaam' means peace. 'muslim' the one who submits-they are all from the same arabic root...
 

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