Why does God demand worship?

naidamar said:
You need to brush up on your bible.

Jesus pbuh himself worship God regularly, he prostrated, he prayed.
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No point explaining you see because non muslims don't even read there bible

Its also quite irritating when they rant on about muslimahs dressing modest from head to toe when there own nuns do it

everything they criticize about islam is written right in there own scriptures. are they following Christianity or Judaism or what are they following? before i ever reverted to islam. imam told me to read bible and torah first before even trying to explain islam to me and then when i eventually did read quran everything made sense.

did yous all just come on to this forum to learn or to complain and criticize? i sometimes wonder. god has given you a brain to learn yeah so use it.
 
Supreme said:
That is not in dispute here. What is in dispute is the motive of an omnipotent deity desiring worship. Boaz is completely right- it does seem like the wishes of a God lacking in self esteem and confidence, that they would create a race with the pure intentions of that race worshipping Him. Why such a diety would give a race free will, when all He wanted was worship and could have given the race no choice but to worship,, is also a valid point.
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whats the motive of god wanting you to accept jesus as your 'saviour', is it out of desires? If thats all He wanted he could have given the race no choice but to accept jesus as their saviour

Either you ignored my previous post or did not come across it, please reffer to it
 
aadil77 said:
whats the motive of god wanting you to accept jesus as your 'saviour', is it out of desires? If thats all He wanted he could have given the race no choice but to accept jesus as their saviour

Either you ignored my previous post or did not come across it, please reffer to it
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I saw your previous post. It appears to have the bare minimum answer that is 'God's will'. Which is fine. It is a sufficient answer for you. But it is not a sufficient answer for me- yet. By asking questions such as these, do you not see that you are only going to make yourself think more and less ignorant?
 
Supreme said:
Why such a diety would give a race free will, when all He wanted was worship and could have given the race no choice but to worship,, is also a valid point.
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Let's take an example between humans : do you prefer that a friend give you a gift because he was affraid of you or because he needed some benefit from you, or because he is forced to give you a gift (you can imagine you are a king and people are forced to give you gifts or they die ;b). I'm sure you don't like that, I'm sure you prefer that some friend give you a gift with a free will and volunteerely, because it'll mean a lot for you. The same way, there will not be a reward if people are forced to worship God. God wanted people to worship him, but he wanted them to do that willingly because they wanted to do it not because they're forced to do.
 
Supreme said:
I saw your previous post. It appears to have the bare minimum answer that is 'God's will'. Which is fine. It is a sufficient answer for you. But it is not a sufficient answer for me- yet. By asking questions such as these, do you not see that you are only going to make yourself think more and less ignorant?
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Don't get what you're saying, but since you haven't answered my questions it shows alot about you requiring a 'sufficient answer',

do you have a 'sufficient answer' to the questions I've asked?
 
islamirama said:
Allah states in the Quran that He created man to be His Khalefah, His trustee on earth (Quran 2:30). Mankind’s basic trust, our responsibility, is to believe in and worship Allah:
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So this makes God be very selfish and makes him have conditional love for the mankind.
I created you, now you must worship me or else you'll go to hell ?
Is God crying for attention?

I don't think so.
 
EllyDicious said:
So this makes God be very selfish and makes him have conditional love for the mankind.
I created you, now you must worship me or else you'll go to hell ?
Is God crying for attention?

I don't think so.
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Think what you like, He is not defined nor limited by your views and beliefs. He is the Creator and He creates whatever he wants for whatever purpose.
 
EllyDicious said:
So this makes God be very selfish and makes him have conditional love for the mankind.
I created you, now you must worship me or else you'll go to hell ?
Is God crying for attention?

I don't think so.
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Sure. Since He brought you from filth into Ellydicious, you must worship Him or otherwise you'll go back to filth. Its your choice.
 
aadil77 said:
Don't get what you're saying, but since you haven't answered my questions it shows alot about you requiring a 'sufficient answer',

do you have a 'sufficient answer' to the questions I've asked?
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I assumed your question(s) to be rhetorical. They don't have a great deal of relevance to the discussion at hand.
 
marwen said:
Let's take an example between humans : do you prefer that a friend give you a gift because he was affraid of you or because he needed some benefit from you, or because he is forced to give you a gift (you can imagine you are a king and people are forced to give you gifts or they die ;b). I'm sure you don't like that, I'm sure you prefer that some friend give you a gift with a free will and volunteerely, because it'll mean a lot for you. The same way, there will not be a reward if people are forced to worship God. God wanted people to worship him, but he wanted them to do that willingly because they wanted to do it not because they're forced to do.
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Yes, but I am not omnipotent like God. God has everything and anything- surely you're giving too little credit to an incredibly powerful being by claiming that, despite His immense power, He wants 'gifts'?
 
EllyDicious said:
So this makes God be very selfish and makes him have conditional love for the mankind.
I created you, now you must worship me or else you'll go to hell ?
Is God crying for attention?

I don't think so.
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Allah doesn't need our worship neither will he feel better if all humans are worshipping him. Allah wanted us to do worship because he knows it's the best thing for us to do, and also to give us reward.
 
islamirama said:
Think what you like, He is not defined nor limited by your views and beliefs. He is the Creator and He creates whatever he wants for whatever purpose.
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I don't think I'm limiting him. I think you guys are limiting him by giving him some human attributes that make Him sound low in character.


mad_scientist said:
Sure. Since He brought you from filth into Ellydicious, you must worship Him or otherwise you'll go back to filth. Its your choice.
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We all will go back to filth. Do you think you'll be living eternally?
We all will die someday [whether you're a believer or not].
He chose to give me life, I didn't ask him to give me life so I'm not obligated to worship Him. [Sure, I THANK Him for giving me life ... no doubt].
 
marwen said:
Allah doesn't need our worship neither will he feel better if all humans are worshipping him. Allah wanted us to do worship because he knows it's the best thing for us to do, and also to give us reward.
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Still the reward is conditioned. It goes back to what I said. It's a conditional love. Worship me and I'll reward you.
 
EllyDicious said:
I don't think I'm limiting him. I think you guys are limiting him by giving him some human attributes that make Him sound low in character.



We all will go back to filth. Do you think you'll be living eternally?
We all will die someday [whether you're a believer or not].
He chose to give me life, I didn't ask him to give me life so I'm not obligated to worship Him. [Sure, I THANK Him for giving me life ... no doubt].
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Well, sure we will all die away. I was referring to Filth as Hell fire.

LOL @ you did not ask Him to give you birth. Sure. More appropriate question is that were you worthy enough to ask HIM?
 
Supreme said:
Yes, but I am not omnipotent like God. God has everything and anything- surely you're giving too little credit to an incredibly powerful being by claiming that, despite His immense power, He wants 'gifts'?
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It's just an example to simplify the idea. But let's not say God wanted "gifts", let's rather say God wanted us to be thankful for what he did for us, and to express our thankfulness by worshipping him and executing his orders.
 
EllyDicious said:
Still the reward is conditioned. It goes back to what I said. It's a conditional love. Worship me and I'll reward you.
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what's your definition to reward ?
How can you give reward to people if they haven't done any work. It will be ridiculous to give the same reward to all humans : those who believed in God and those who didn't, those who worshipped God and obeyed his orders and those who didn't. This whole life will have no sense.
 
mad_scientist said:
were you worthy enough to ask HIM?
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Though I didn't ask Him, the fact that He brought me here, means I was worthy enough to come into this world ;)

We'll never know the reasons behind our existence, but apparently this world needs us.
 

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