Why does God demand worship?

[Predator]

There is no real excuse for not praying

These are the employees working in oil company in Saudi Arabia daily they have to work 4-5 hours in water inside sea during that if there is prayer time they pray in the water itself.

Now that is real commitment

Prophet Muhammad(s.a.s) said

Prayer is the main difference between muslim and disbeliever

And also he said…….

Biggest theft is theft of salah(namaz)

 

[Darth Ultor]

That is both funny and admirable of those workers. But mostly admirable.

 

[aadil77]

That is both funny and admirable of those workers. But mostly admirable.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/10/religion.spaceexploration

have a look at this, how malaysian astronauts prayed in space

 

[Darth Ultor]

That is really amazing. One thing that amazes me about Islamic culture is that they revolve their schedule around prayer and not vice versa.

 

[جوري]

That is really amazing. One thing that amazes me about Islamic culture is that they revolve their schedule around prayer and not vice versa.

I have seen devoted Jews do the same even when traveling on airplanes.. in fact I got into such a conversation with a Hasidic Jew from a flight to NY to JFK and I wondered if he had mistaken me for a Jewish woman because he was so friendly, and we got into talking about prayer, sometime around sunrise and I don't know if that were a specific time for prayer of if simply they were doing it as a prayer of travel but three of them got up and prayed together..

everything in life is ancillary God comes first.. if he giveth he can also taketh away.. we delude our selves that our jobs and families and children and money is what matters.. in fact all of it can be lost in an instant.. what then will you have? whether you have everything or nothing.. you are the poorest man if you have no faith in your heart...


peace

 

[Dagless]

Would you still need wudu when praying like this?
Why not wait until they have finished their underwater task? Is that a wreck of some sort? If so it must be quite deep. I think prayer would take up a large percentage of the oxygen in their tanks which imo is wasteful.

 

[aadil77]

Would you still need wudu when praying like this?
Why not wait until they have finished their underwater task? Is that a wreck of some sort? If so it must be quite deep. I think prayer would take up a large percentage of the oxygen in their tanks which imo is wasteful.

Ofcourse you'd need wudhu, they won't even be able to do tayyamum because theres no contact with the skin. But its easy just keep your wudhu and try not to break it. Salaah is much more important than anything they're doin, if they're gonna be down there for a few hours, they might not be able to pray on time when they get back out, so they probably have to pray there.

I doubt its wasteful if they can stay down for that long

 

[LauraS]

lol! I'm glad this thread was created because iy's something I've been thinking about too. So God created people so He could be worshipped? He needs billions of people to worship Him everyday and if you don't when you die you will suffer for eternity? Insecurity and petulance at all? It brings to mind some of the old Quaker beliefs where everythings a sin including music and basically your only enjoyment can be through God, but surely God wanted us to live and enjoy ourselves! Yes if you believe in God, you can thank him for the earth that is on the whole a beautiful place, but can the required prayers be sometimes a little excessive? I have my own version of God in my head and he isn't so harsh as religion makes him out to be. I must admit, I would love for there to be a God.

 

[جوري]

God has no needs. Pls follow the entire dialogue of the thread!

all the best

 

[aadil77]

lol! I'm glad this thread was created because iy's something I've been thinking about too. So God created people so He could be worshipped? He needs billions of people to worship Him everyday and if you don't when you die you will suffer for eternity? Insecurity and petulance at all? It brings to mind some of the old Quaker beliefs where everythings a sin including music and basically your only enjoyment can be through God, but surely God wanted us to live and enjoy ourselves! Yes if you believe in God, you can thank him for the earth that is on the whole a beautiful place, but can the required prayers be sometimes a little excessive? I have my own version of God in my head and he isn't so harsh as religion makes him out to be. I must admit, I would love for there to be a God.

I don't think of it that way, you can question all day why god did this or wants that, why He created angels to serve Him, why He made earth, heaven, hell etc. Theres no logic behind any of these beliefs, in islam we just accept it as Allah will, for you I doubt it would be enough to accept.

But this is how I think of it, Allah has created everything including us, we're living on His planet so we play by His rules, simple as that. In the end we get an unimaginable reward for the little effort we put in to worship Him. You think this is harsh, we think its mercyful.

 

[Pygoscelis]

lol! I'm glad this thread was created because iy's something I've been thinking about too. So God created people so He could be worshipped? He needs billions of people to worship Him everyday and if you don't when you die you will suffer for eternity? Insecurity and petulance at all? It brings to mind some of the old Quaker beliefs where everythings a sin including music and basically your only enjoyment can be through God, but surely God wanted us to live and enjoy ourselves! Yes if you believe in God, you can thank him for the earth that is on the whole a beautiful place, but can the required prayers be sometimes a little excessive? I have my own version of God in my head and he isn't so harsh as religion makes him out to be. I must admit, I would love for there to be a God.

Hi Laura, welcome to the board. I assume from your post that you are an agnostic or atheist? You would be the first I've met that wants there to be a God. I have heard tell of such people but you'd be the first I actually met. So, glad to meet you! I think you'll bring a fresh and interesting perspective on things, as opposed to all the theists here and atheists like myself who are happy there is no god.

 

[LauraS]

Hi Laura, welcome to the board. I assume from your post that you are an agnostic or atheist? You would be the first I've met that wants there to be a God. I have heard tell of such people but you'd be the first I actually met. So, glad to meet you! I think you'll bring a fresh and interesting perspective on things, as opposed to all the theists here and atheists like myself who are happy there is no god.

Hello, nice to meet you too. Yeah I'm completely undecided what's going on out there lol. If there is a God why did He suddenly stop showing himself in every religion around 2000 years ago and why a number of other things too, yet I think there is something more to everything than meets the eye. I believe in spirits and that maybe we have spirit guides. Heck I'm just not sure lol, but yeah I quite like the idea there's something watching over us whether God or spirits. I think the evolution theory beats the creation story in believability, I find it hard to grasp the concept on this forum that people find everything created from a being waving his hand in the air far more believable than that it gradually evolved even though there are skulls out there that show the gradual transformation into the human beings we are today as well as with other animals. :S What created God? Something must have done, nothing just pops from nowhere (Apart from the earth apparently ) yet where did the dust particles come from to cause the Big Bang? Maybe the Bhuddists have the right idea in saying we just shouldn't bother asking these questions lol.

 

[Ramadhan]

What created God?

God is The Creator, He is Uncreated, He has no beginning and no end.

QS Al Ikhlas:

Say: He is Allah, the One!

Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

He begetteth not nor was begotten.

And there is none comparable unto Him.

 

[Pygoscelis]

God is uncreated. So you say. There is no reason for me to believe the claim though, especially when you folks make all these arguments about how something can't come from nothing and about how complicated and powerful things must be created.

 

[aadil77]

God is uncreated. So you say. There is no reason for me to believe the claim though, especially when you folks make all these arguments about how something can't come from nothing and about how complicated and powerful things must be created.

Ofcourse you don't you're an atheist, you don't even believe in god

 

[marwen]

.. especially when you folks make all these arguments about how something can't come from nothing and about how complicated and powerful things must be created.

There is no contradiction in what we say.

If we suppose God exists and he created everything, then we have this rule :
Rule : Every created thing must have a cause of his existence, and his existence should have a beginning.

That rule is only applied to the created things, we have not the right to generalize it to be applied to the Creator.

For example, it's stupid to say that the Carpenter who created a Door have the same characteristics of the Door he created.

 

[Pygoscelis]

This is what we call special pleading. There is no reason to assume this God could have come from nothing or always existed. Just as your arguments would say we shouldn't assume the universe came from nothing or always existed. Instead you look at the universe and try to make logical inferences from what you see. If God made the universe, who made God? There is no more reason to assume nobody created God than to assume nobody created the universe. And this goes on in infinite regress. By introducing each level of creator you just complicate things that much more. There is no way to know at what level to stop, if at any. The simple truth is we don't know, and it'd be refreshing if more folks could admit that.

 

[marwen]

If God made the universe, who made God?

No one. No one made God. God just exists. It seems illogical/impossible but that's only in our limited logic. And our reasoning cannot be applied to our Creator. It's like you are in a closed box, you cannot make reasoning about what exists out the box based just on the ideas you collected from the inside of the box.

 

[Skavau]

No one. No one made God. God just exists. It seems illogical/impossible but that's only in our limited logic. And our reasoning cannot be applied to our Creator. It's like you are in a closed box, you cannot make reasoning about what exists out the box based just on the ideas you collected from the inside of the box.

We are expected then to believe that the universe was far too complex to have just been, or just be (eternally) but we are not expected to hold a hypothetical (and necessarily, far more complicated and powerful) deity to the same scrutiny. You would have us suspend the very logic you invoke us to embark upon against a godless existence and willingly suspend our reasoning when we apply to God. This is identical to telling us that your position is not based on reason.

 

[marwen]

The universe can be grasped by reason, but not the creator of the universe. You cannot expect that you can describe God just by your reason or observation. The only thing about God that may be accessible to the reason is the existence of God. But How he existed, what does he look like, .. are questions out of our reason. They need 'reason' + 'belief' + 'revelation from God' to have answers.