"Why has Allah forbidden eating Pork?"

[SirZubair]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

But those things aren't permissable in Islam, no one can argue against that. We're talking about why christianity allows this even though it contradicts the Old Testament.

But.....I do want to mention that premarital sex is illegal in the Middle East (except for Israel) and is strongly discouraged in Indonesia and Bangladesh. So a comparison would be relatively easy

I know its not permissable in islam (yet it happens far too often),and that is why it is a major issue and THAT is what we should be discussing.The rules are there,the rules have always been there,but how many people follow the rules?Alot of people dont.That is what we should be trying to resolve,we shouldnt be wasting out time discussing an issue that has got nothing to do with us.
we shouldnt get sidetracked and start discussing Why christians eat pork,that is None of our business.

My point was,we should try to make Ourselves Perfect before we judge others.

 

[searchingsoul]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

we shouldnt get sidetracked and start discussing Why christians eat pork,that is None of our business.

My point was,we should try to make Ourselves Perfect before we judge others.

I agree with SirZubair. Why is it the business of Muslims what Christians practice? Why is it the business of Christians what Muslims practice? It's helpful to learn about the other faith since we live amongst each other. What purpose does it serve to insist that Christians or Muslims interpret their religious articles incorrectly?

 

[primitivefuture]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Why is it the business of Muslims what Christians practice? Why is it the business of Christians what Muslims practice? It's helpful to learn about the other faith since we live amongst each other. What purpose does it serve to insist that Christians or Muslims interpret their religious articles incorrectly?

I never intended to offend Christians when I initiated this thread. I had a feeling pork was forbidden in Christianity and thus I wanted to know the truth as to why pork is consumed by today's Christians.

 

[searchingsoul]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

I never intended to offend Christians when I initiated this thread. I had a feeling pork was forbidden in Christianity and thus I wanted to know the truth as to why pork is consumed by today's Christians.

I think it's great that you can approach interfaith dialogue with such an open mind!

 

[nimrod]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Isa Abdullah, does this help?

Mark 7:17-19
17After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 19For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")

Acts 11
Peter Explains His Actions
1The apostles and the brothers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him 3and said, "You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them."
4Peter began and explained everything to them precisely as it had happened: 5"I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles, and birds of the air. 7Then I heard a voice telling me, 'Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.'
8"I replied, 'Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.'
9"The voice spoke from heaven a second time, 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.' 10This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.

There is additional scripture concerning the “law” that the natural born Jews were left under verses what “law” the gentile converts were left under.

But what scripture I posted, should answer your request.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Salaam,

Nimrod the verse you sue to justify the eating of pork is not about pork at all.

Shall we go above the verses and see what the stroy was all about??

Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

So the question given was can they eat with unwashed hands?
From here
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Mar/Mar007.html

As for ACT 11,those word are of Peter,one of "apostles",but can you provide with more verses from the other "apostles".

 

[Isa Abdullah]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Isa Abdullah, does this help?

Mark 7:17-19
17After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 19For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")

Acts 11
Peter Explains His Actions
1The apostles and the brothers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him 3and said, "You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them."
4Peter began and explained everything to them precisely as it had happened: 5"I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles, and birds of the air. 7Then I heard a voice telling me, 'Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.'
8"I replied, 'Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.'
9"The voice spoke from heaven a second time, 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.' 10This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.

There is additional scripture concerning the “law” that the natural born Jews were left under verses what “law” the gentile converts were left under.

But what scripture I posted, should answer your request.

Thanks
Nimrod

Greetings,

Thanks for the verses, however, this does not prove the point. I am in a bit of a rush so I will post later.

Farewell.

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Quting Nimrod,

Originally Posted by nimrod
Isa Abdullah, does this help?

Mark 7:17-19
17After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 19For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")

Acts 11
Peter Explains His Actions
1The apostles and the brothers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him 3and said, "You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them."
4Peter began and explained everything to them precisely as it had happened: 5"I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles, and birds of the air. 7Then I heard a voice telling me, 'Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.'
8"I replied, 'Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.'
9"The voice spoke from heaven a second time, 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.' 10This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.

There is additional scripture concerning the “law” that the natural born Jews were left under verses what “law” the gentile converts were left under.

But what scripture I posted, should answer your request.

Thanks
Nimrod

Nimrod, let us assume that is absolutly correct as written and all foods are now Halaal. My questions are based on that, Why would that not include cannabilism? How do we know that some things are still forbidden to eat, if we interpret that as being all things are OK to eat now? If that justifies the eating of pork, what keeps it from justifying cannabilism?

 

[*Hana*]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Acts 11
Peter Explains His Actions

The problem here is that no one said he was eating unclean meat, such as pork. God did make other meat clean and He specifically says do not make unclean what He made clean. He didn't say, "I have now made the unclean, clean again.

Peace,
Hana

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Excellent Sister, I think that pretty much sums up what we all have been saying. Allah(swt) had already told us what was unclean, the people were eating Halaal, there was no need to point out again what we had already been forbidden.

 

[Skillganon]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Edit: for spelling mistake and clarity.

You will find this in the biginning of Mark 7.

Clean and Unclean
1The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus and 2saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were "unclean," that is, unwashed. 3(The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders. 4When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.[a])
5So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, "Why don't your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with 'unclean' hands?"

6He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.' 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men."

Well concerning the verse, what Jesus meant by the term outside, I had a discussion with some christian from the past, and my point of view Jesus, was condemning the hyprocrisy of the pharissee for condemning his desciple for eating with unwashed hand, when their is no such God given law, and failing to observe their own hyprocrisy. Jesus was condeming them for the defilement they let into their heart by observing man-made law, as part of the religion.

Next

14Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.' "[f]

When Jesus meant outside he was not refering to food in general. No he was refering to what you term unclean, like a dirt, dust, bit of grum on your hand getting into your mouth *(maybe by contact with food).

Next:

17After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 19For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")

20He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' 21For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' "

He used this moment to condemn them for their hyprocrisy for observing man-made law (i.e.unwashed hand) and telling them that it is not by eating with unwashed hand that make's one heart unclean, but it is what comes out, as explained above.

I apologise for any offense to christians, this is after all my view, and I rarely doubt Jesus talked in brackets, or the word in brakets was inspired).

 

[mas]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

ppl chill no need to get in a fight
its their life
if yall wanna eat pork just do it
and im saying yo that there is no point in arguing so peace

 

[Isa Abdullah]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

The topic is futile.

 

[*Hana*]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

The topic is futile.

Salam Alaikum:

I agree, it's been done to death. All the verses being discussed now were presented within the first 5-6 pages, explained, discussed, accepted, rejected, whatever. It's going in circles and the bottom line is if someone is going to eat pork, they're going to eat it regardless of what is written here. The proofs forbidding it were given.

Accept it or reject it, the choice is yours.

Wasalam,
Hana

 

[Umar001]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Oh my Isa Abdullah scared me, I thought someone had hacked my account.

Phew, oh man what a relief.
Ahhh.
*Sighs*

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

The topic is futile.

I agree with that.

Interesting thing is back before I reverted I got into quite a long discussion with a Jewish friend as to just what defined a pig as being unclean and if all pigs met the criteria of being a pig as stated in the Torah.

It started as a tongue in cheek debate as to if it would be possible to raise Kosher pork Chops. I took the the side of it would be possible. My worthy opponet had little biology background and was unaware that there are several thousand species of pig. One of the native pigs of Fiji is very small, builds a nest similar to a bird and chews a cud. for all aspects that met the criteria for being clean, it has cloven hooves, and chews a cud.

I ended up winning the debate. (no, he did not go out and start eating pork chops)

Later I got into a similar discussion with a Muslim friend, his answer was quick and final. He said it is a pig and The Qur'an says not to eat swine and swine is still a swine no matter what it looks like or does.

I lost that debate.

 

[Skillganon]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

I agree, that is why it is best to forget it, and anyone who wishing for proper knowledge can seek it out and decide for themself.

 

[*Hana*]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

I agree with that.

Interesting thing is back before I reverted I got into quite a long discussion with a Jewish friend as to just what defined a pig as being unclean and if all pigs met the criteria of being a pig as stated in the Torah.

It started as a tongue in cheek debate as to if it would be possible to raise Kosher pork Chops. I took the the side of it would be possible. My worthy opponet had little biology background and was unaware that there are several thousand species of pig. One of the native pigs of Fiji is very small, builds a nest similar to a bird and chews a cud. for all aspects that met the criteria for being clean, it has cloven hooves, and chews a cud.

I ended up winning the debate. (no, he did not go out and start eating pork chops)

Later I got into a similar discussion with a Muslim friend, his answer was quick and final. He said it is a pig and The Qur'an says not to eat swine and swine is still a swine no matter what it looks like or does.

I lost that debate.

Salam Alaikum:

Mashallah, Brother, I enjoyed reading that. lol

Wa'alaikum salam,
Hana

 

[catmando]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

i guess it becoz it taste good...(they say it taste like chicken is it true?--then y not just eat chicken)

and maybe they cannot resist eating it...

LOL pork doesn't taste like chicken. ;D Joe98 is correct, it's all about how the meat is cooked. but hana might have a point there also. My father kept barnyard animals on our farm(we lived in the city though) and pigs do like to wallow in the mud, so maybe that's where Muslims got the idea they are unclean. However I have never seen a pig eat feces.

For me, pork has too much fat and calories, so I rarely eat it any more.

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Actually I do not think the living habits of swine is what is refered to when they are declared unclean. Any of us that have been raised on farms will tell you that the nastiest farm animals are Chickens. They will eat anything and can not be housebroken. They are notorius for spreading disease any farm kid will tell you the dangers of going into a chicken coop. The fumes can be deadly, the lice they carry, that jump all over you spread lots of diseases and the constant disposing of the carcasses of the ones killed by the other chickens is constant exposure to salmonella. Bird flu is nothing new, some variation has been around for a long time. Many farm kids contract various forms of pneumonia after cleaning chicken coops. A good visual to some behaviors of chickens would be to watch pigeons along city streets or sea gulls at the beach.

Most dairy and horse farmers keep a few chickens for the purpose of keeping the pasture clean from cow and horse droppings.

My own simple belief for understanding why swine are considered unclean, and chickens are considered clean is because Allah(swt) has said so. It makes no difference why he said so.