Yes yes yes wohoooooo he stepped down, armed forces to take control of egypt

[Ramadhan]

I don't think you can really look at it country by country. The perception of Iran (rightly or wrongly) is that it might constitute a threat to regional stability. Any sort of armed conflict with Israel, even of a limited nature, would have a huge effect on oil availability and price (just as the 1973 war did).

I find it as evidence of how so much successful zionist power and influence in the US that even a learned and knowledgeable citizen of the US like you are still denying that your government protect Israel at any cost.

What are you afraid of, being called an anti-semite?

It reminds me of the successful propaganda and brainwash during Suharto years in Indonesia that people censored themselves and dared speak no ill about our government.

 

[Rabi Mansur]

Where next? Libya? Yemen? Jordan? Syria?

The whole region is ripe for throwing out these dictators.
:wa:

 

[Darth Ultor]

I am not a fan of theocracies. I hope for a secular democratic government that respects all religions.

 

[جوري]

Islam respects all religions.. I am a fan of Islam boaz.. perhaps one day you'll be too

peace

Where next? Libya? Yemen? Jordan? Syria? The whole region is ripe for throwing out these dictators.

Hopefully all.. they all suck.. but I fear they don't have that Egyptian will in certain regions and I know Syria would honestly be a bloodbath ... they're just as bad as Egypt if not worst when it comes to torturing people..

 

[Trumble]

I find it as evidence of how so much successful zionist power and influence in the US that even a learned and knowledgeable citizen of the US like you are still denying that your government protect Israel at any cost.

You've totally lost me. My post was responding to your point about why the US government did not support the government of Iran, despite the fact that the oil still flows. I didn't say anything at all about 'protecting Israel'.

I'm not a citizen of the US, BTW.

 

[Martinz]

It is very unlikely Iran will attack Israel. What makes you think Iran will attack Israel? Or do you mean Israel will attack Iran?

The world is so critical of Irans' Nuclear capability. But, no one seems to be concerned that Israel has nuclear missiles, as well as their reputation of attacking others on the smallest excuse! Not a very good combination.

I have sent an email to the Whitehouse about my concerns on this but I didn't receive an answer.

 

[GuestFellow]

The world is so critical of Irans' Nuclear capability. But, no one seems to be concerned that Israel has nuclear missiles, as well as their reputation of attacking others on the smallest excuse! Not a very good combination.

I have sent an email to the Whitehouse about my concerns on this but I didn't receive an answer.

Israel has not signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty but Iran has. Whether Iran is complying with this treaty is a separate issue.

 

[IslamicRevival]

Israel has not signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty but Iran has. Whether Iran is complying with this treaty is a separate issue.

Iran are indeed complying with the Nuclear treaty, I would have imagined the US would have stepped up their vicious propaganda through the media if they did not [I'm behind Iran 110%, They are a powerful country Almadulillah and no one dare point a missile towards their nuclear facilities]

Back to Egypt, The day i see the Israhelli embassy in Egypt, not only shutdown BUT knocked down, That is when we can start dreaming about a new Middle east order. InshAllah the Egyptian army will wake up and get their priorities right.

 

[Trumble]

Iran are indeed complying with the Nuclear treaty

LOL.

Back to Egypt, The day i see the Israhelli embassy in Egypt, not only shutdown BUT knocked down, That is when we can start dreaming about a new Middle east order. InshAllah the Egyptian army will wake up and get their priorities right.

I'm afraid that comment only explains both why Israel has nuclear weapons and why it's in no hurry to get rid of them.

 

[IslamicRevival]

I'm afraid that comment only explains both why Israel has nuclear weapons and why it's in no hurry to get rid of them.

What the hell is an Israhelli embassy doing in EGYPT anyway?
And why does Israhell need nuclear weapons...Who else in the Middle east has them?

Also, what an intelligent response, 'LOL'?

 

[جوري]

And why does Israhell need nuclear weapons

this is why it has them:

so they can systematically wipe out Palestinians while feigning being victimized by Hamas and draining people's money on the side.. watch the video while you can as the speaker said, any sort of visual truths is consistently wiped off the net!

 

[جوري]

I hope to God that the Egyptians collectively stand up to that cockroach settler state as they stood up to their pharonic tyrant..
ameen thouma ameen

pls. everyone make du3a for a proper Islamic state to be born of these massive demonstrations through out the middle east.. America can't pretend to be a friend to every nation while spreading their poisonous tentacles everywhere they could, they're going to whittle themselves away here and there trying to nip it in the bud and before you know it the people here too will go out protesting the mal use of their resources and their lives!

 

[Trumble]

What the hell is an Israhelli embassy doing in EGYPT anyway?

Much the same thing as the Syrian embassy, the Chinese embassy, the French embassy and any other you could name.

And why does Israhell need nuclear weapons...Who else in the Middle east has them?

Nobody - yet. But surely it isn't to difficult to appreciate, whatever your view on Israel may be, that the Israelis themselves view nukes as essential to their security? From their perspective, the possibility of being surrounded by those looking for a "new Middle east order" that doesn't include their own country - particularly those with guns, tanks and planes - isn't overly attractive.

Also, what an intelligent response, 'LOL'?

In all modesty, I think so. No need to use more bandwidth than necessary.

 

[GuestFellow]

Also, what an intelligent response, 'LOL'?

He had nothing good to contribute...or probably suffering from a mental disorder. :hiding:

Iran are indeed complying with the Nuclear treaty

I have doubts. In the region, there are US military bases in Iraq, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar and in Saudi Arabia. However, I think the bases in Saudi Arabia have been removed.

US Bases

There are also troops in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Iran is completely surrounded. Arab nations, Israel and the West are all hostile to Iran. USA has threatened to attack Iran as well.

Iran has a few allies which are Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah. So, there is a strong possibility that Iran may create nuclear weapons in these circumstances.

I think there would be a balance of power in the region if Iran were to get nuclear weapons but then some Arab countries might want them as well. This is not good for the US or Israel because they cannot behave like tyrants anymore.

 

[Ramadhan]

Much the same thing as the Syrian embassy, the Chinese embassy, the French embassy and any other you could name.

He was surprised that there is Israeli embassy in Egypt because there's no israeli embassy in most muslim countries. For example, there's no israeli embassy in Indonesia because we don't have diplomatic relation with Israel, and we are officially not allowed to visit Israel (at least directly).

Nobody - yet. But surely it isn't to difficult to appreciate, whatever your view on Israel may be, that the Israelis themselves view nukes as essential to their security? From their perspective, the possibility of being surrounded by those looking for a "new Middle east order" that doesn't include their own country - particularly those with guns, tanks and planes - isn't overly attractive.

I'm trying to discern your stement.
Does this mean you are agreeing that Israel should have nuclear weapon?

And isn't "new middle east order" the one drawn by the american neo-cons?
And why Israel concerned with the new middle east order, as it should be even more favorable to them?
Or are you making up a new one yourself?

 

[GuestFellow]

Nobody - yet. But surely it isn't to difficult to appreciate, whatever your view on Israel may be, that the Israelis themselves view nukes as essential to their security? From their perspective, the possibility of being surrounded by those looking for a "new Middle east order" that doesn't include their own country - particularly those with guns, tanks and planes - isn't overly attractive.

Israel is still a powerful country, even without nuclear weapons. It has support from western countries too. The US military and financial support is essential to Israel security, not nuclear weapons.

Besides, most Arab countries support the US and hold US military bases. To claim Israel is surrounded by hostile neighbours is not entirely true. Syria, Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah are openly hostile to Israel. Two countries plus to small groups is not a significant threat.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

First of all, congratulation to the brothers and sisters in Egypt. Alhamdullilah immense courage, immense.

However there is a shadow, and that's the legacy of Western, primarily American domination in the affairs of the people of Egypt. There will be no peace in Egypt till foreign powers leave the peoples of Egypt to control their own affairs and determine their own destines as a sovereign people, free in mind and body.

However rather predictability Western powers are not going to allow Egypt to follow an independent path that could be detrimental to their 'interests' (re: domination of the Middle Eastern resources etc etc). They don't even deny it. Check this out, Tony 'trust me' Blair, on what he wants (re: commands) from the Egyptian people.

Slippery and deceptive as ever, but you learn.

The hard work must begin now, to build a better society, where people have access to education, health care and have the ability to live decent and fulfilling lives.

Much the same thing as the Syrian embassy, the Chinese embassy, the French embassy and any other you could name.

Yes, but the other countries mentioned do not have a history of hostility to Egypt (well France but that was centuries ago) so I don't think the peoples of Egypt would have a problem with them. However ask Egyptians whether they want an Israeli embassy in their country, given their (bitter) history between them. What do you think the answer would be?

Perhaps when there is a just peace between the players involved then maybe but until then.

Nobody - yet. But surely it isn't to difficult to appreciate, whatever your view on Israel may be, that the Israelis themselves view nukes as essential to their security? From their perspective, the possibility of being surrounded by those looking for a "new Middle east order" that doesn't include their own country - particularly those with guns, tanks and planes - isn't overly attractive.

No. The idea that nuclear weapons bring security is crazy, it actually creates an environment which can lead to escalation. Hardly surprising that other powers should seek the same weapons to act as a deterrent, particular against western adventurism.

If you read books (eg. Mechiro shel, Ihud, in Hebrew) by top Israeli decision makers security has been a secondary issue, they are more concerned with access to 'water' and the 'demographic problem' (translate: too many Arabs in a Jewish state).

Israel also has covert but good relationships with most Arab states particularly the Gulf monarchies (despite their public rhetoric), couple this with having the 4th most powerful army in the world, the idea that they are under some sort of immediate threat is questionable to put it mildly.

Nobody wants war in the region despite the hot headed talk. However until there's a just peace to the middle east conflict Israel will be considered a hostile pariah state. I'm glad to say this view is steadily but surely gaining ground internationally, hardly surprising when people read and understand the history.

On the whole whether Iran has or wants nuclear weapons, Im not sure, however I think speculation on this issue can be dangerous, after all we don't have to look too far back to see where 'speculation' can lead us.

 

[Trumble]

Israel is still a powerful country, even without nuclear weapons. It has support from western countries too. The US military and financial support is essential to Israel security, not nuclear weapons.

Only if that military and financial support exists. Ultimately, it is the US that decides that, not Israel. Their nukes, though, are under Israeli control... and the thinking would be that is the only way to best guarantee security.

Besides, most Arab countries support the US and hold US military bases. To claim Israel is surrounded by hostile neighbours is not entirely true. Syria, Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah are openly hostile to Israel. Two countries plus to small groups is not a significant threat.

Israel is surrounded by potentially hostile neighbours. The thinking there would surely be that one or two regime changes - particularly in the current climate - and who knows?

Yes, but the other countries mentioned do not have a history of hostility to Egypt (well France but that was centuries ago) so I don't think the peoples of Egypt would have a problem with them. However ask Egyptians whether they want an Israeli embassy in their country, given their (bitter) history between them. What do you think the answer would be?

It is where there is a bitter history, and the possibility of future conflict, that a diplomatic presence is most needed. Virtually every country has a 'bitter history' with somebody-or-other, sometimes with the last armed conflict being rather more recent than that between Egypt and Israel. They still have embassies in each other's country.

Perhaps when there is a just peace between the players involved then maybe but until then.

In what way do you consider the peace deal between Egypt and Israel unjust? Sure, neither side gave a d*mn about the Palestinians at that time but, despite the alternative histories occasionally printed here, neither did the other Arab or muslim countries either. About the only people who did were assorted bunches of European Marxist revolutionaries.

No. The idea that nuclear weapons bring security is crazy, it actually creates an environment which can lead to escalation.

I wouldn't disagree with you as regards the situation in 2011. Whether it was also true in 1970, from the Israeli perspective, is a different question. The question for Israel now is not whether they should develop nuclear weapons, but whether they should get rid of them. They would be unlikely to consider that a good idea even without the Iranian nuclear program; with it they will never consider it. And, to an Israeli is the idea even that crazy? After all, Israel is still there.

Hardly surprising that other powers should seek the same weapons to act as a deterrent, particular against western adventurism.

They are not remotely concerned about "western adventurism", and even if they were what do you suggest they do - invite a nuclear exchange with the United States? It's all about prestige and bragging rights, not security.

Nobody wants war in the region despite the hot headed talk. However until there's a just peace to the middle east conflict Israel will be considered a hostile pariah state. I'm glad to say this view is steadily but surely gaining ground internationally, hardly surprising when people read and understand the history.

True.

On the whole whether Iran has or wants nuclear weapons, Im not sure, however I think speculation on this issue can be dangerous, after all we don't have to look too far back to see where 'speculation' can lead us.

.. and I must concede that point!

 

[Dagless]

Iran are indeed complying with the Nuclear treaty, I would have imagined the US would have stepped up their vicious propaganda through the media if they did not

^Probably the most important comment about Iran in this thread.
People are saying Iran is developing weapons but the fact is that not even the IAEA have said Iran has violated the treaty. I would imagine the IAEA know more about their program than people in this thread. Btw where is the criticism of the countries which are trying to stop Iran through illegal means? Stuxnet? The threat of war or bombing? The UN Charter prohibits the threat of force so what they're doing IS illegal rather than Iran's "suspected" violations.

Btw lol@ Blair, like anyone believes a word that comes out of his mouth.

 

[GuestFellow]

Only if that military and financial support exists. Ultimately, it is the US that decides that, not Israel. Their nukes, though, are under Israeli control... and the thinking would be that is the only way to best guarantee security.

Not necessarily. AIPAC has significant influence over the US government. In the foreseeable future, it is unlikely that America will stop supporting Israel.

As for the nukes, it is the best way to guarantee security. I agree with you there. However, nuclear weapons will not solve all of its problem, especially against Hamas. If Israel were to use nuclear weapons, more people are going to be angry with Israel and might resort to terrorism.

Israel is surrounded by potentially hostile neighbours. The thinking there would surely be that one or two regime changes - particularly in the current climate - and who knows?

Israel, to some extent, is at fault. Countries do not become hostile to other countries for no reason. If Israel takes the peace process seriously, defines its borders and a Palestinian State is created, then it is unlikely there will be any hostile neighbours.