Yes yes yes wohoooooo he stepped down, armed forces to take control of egypt

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Guestfellow said:
Israel, to some extent, is at fault. Countries do not become hostile to other countries for no reason. If Israel takes the peace process seriously, defines its borders and a Palestinian State is created, then it is unlikely there will be any hostile neighbours.
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I totally agree. As usual, here, I am not 'defending' Israel and am certainly not supporting them or anybody else having nuclear weapons. I am trying to explain their perspective as I see it. No peace is possible unless both sides understand the others point of view, and their needs, wishes and aspirations.
 
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Trumble said:
In what way do you consider the peace deal between Egypt and Israel unjust? Sure, neither side gave a d*mn about the Palestinians
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correction.. Egyptians very much give a D amn about the Palestinians. Sadat and his friends don't represent Egypt!
Egypt is the people not a despot!


all the best
 
Trumble said:
Much the same thing as the Syrian embassy, the Chinese embassy, the French embassy and any other you could name.
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An Israeli embassy on Arab soil? Does that make sense to you? If the Egyptian PEOPLE had it their way, The devils embassy would never exist on its land!

Nobody - yet. But surely it isn't to difficult to appreciate, whatever your view on Israel may be, that the Israelis themselves view nukes as essential to their security? From their perspective, the possibility of being surrounded by those looking for a "new Middle east order" that doesn't include their own country - particularly those with guns, tanks and planes - isn't overly attractive.
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Essential to 'Their' security? Why do Israhell feel 'threatened' in the first place?

Maybe its to do with the fact that Israhell should not even exist in the first place?!

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In all modesty, I think so. No need to use more bandwidth than necessary.
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What do you care about 'bandwith' ...what with the rubbish you've posted above?
 
Guestfellow said:
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He had nothing good to contribute...or probably suffering from a mental disorder. :hiding:



I have doubts. In the region, there are US military bases in Iraq, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar and in Saudi Arabia. However, I think the bases in Saudi Arabia have been removed.

US Bases

There are also troops in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Iran is completely surrounded. Arab nations, Israel and the West are all hostile to Iran. USA has threatened to attack Iran as well.

Iran has a few allies which are Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah. So, there is a strong possibility that Iran may create nuclear weapons in these circumstances.

I think there would be a balance of power in the region if Iran were to get nuclear weapons but then some Arab countries might want them as well. This is not good for the US or Israel because they cannot behave like tyrants anymore.
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Yeah, im aware Iran are surrounded on all fronts
...If they are creating Nuclear weapons, i am with them
 
Danah said:


thats amazing subhanAllah

Watch this video, the Imam of the Masjid Nabawi in Madinah was crying making duaa to Egypt in the first week of the revolution
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I was very touched by that when I first saw it let me tell you.. I knew Allah swt would be on our side if we'd just hold on to his rope and he did al7mdlillah.. the most important thing are the stages to come.. I really want the ummah to let go of this British imposed pan-Arabism and know that we're indeed one ummah.. one heart and stand against those oppressive tyrants.. and I feel the change will sweep over one country after the next after the next in the middle east insha'Allah until we're united on khilafah rashida

ameen ya rabb thouma ameen..
the rest of the ummah will come to learn what we on this forum already know..

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I am not a fan of theocracies. I hope for a secular democratic government that respects all religions.
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dont pin your hopes on it. so called democracies are incredibly hypocritical as has been proven time and time again.
 
Well, no theocracy has ever worked either. Any country that rules with a religion twists the religion.

Now, Mubarak's gotta find a new job. How about sweeping the streets or becoming a prostitute?
 
Alhamu Illah Allhamdu illah. i just hope our brothers and sisters in Egypt and the rest of the arab world gets the freedom that all muslims deserve.
 
The clashes in Yemen and Bahrain are getting bigger. But no nation is like Egypt. They proved themselves that they are peaceful, patient and most of all, the are one. They showed everyone that they are united.
 
A very good discussion here. Finally hearing good discussion concerning Israeli nucear weapons, which is totally ignored by mainstream media and politicians. Iran won't admit it but I feel that they may actually feel threatened by Israels nuclear capabilities.

Anyway, getting back to Egypt and its effects on the Middle East: here is an excerpt from an article written by Ali Abunimah which was emailed to me by Jewish Peace News:

The revolution has reawakened a sense of a common destiny for the Arab world many thought had been lost, that seemed naive when our mothers and fathers told us about it from their youth, and that Arab leaders had certainly tried to kill. The Arab dictators, who are as dead inside as Mubarak showed himself to be in his awful televised speeches, thought their peoples' spirits were dead too. The revolutions have restored a sense of limitless possibility and a desire that change should spread from country to country.

Whatever happens next, the Egyptian revolution will also have a profound effect on the regional balance of power. Undoubtedly the United States, Israel and their allies are already weaker as a result. First they lost Tunisia, and then suffered a severe setback with the collapse of the US-backed Lebanese government of Rafiq Hariri, and now Mubarak and Omar Suleiman, the closest and most enthusiastic collaborators with Israel except perhaps for Mahmoud Abbas and his cronies in Ramallah.

On many minds -- especially Israeli and American ones -- has been the question of whether a new democratic Egyptian government will tear up the 1979 peace treaty with Israel. That of course, is up to the Egyptian people, although the transitional military government confirmed in its fourth statement Egypt's adherence to "all international and regional treaties."

But the treaty is not really the issue. Even if democratic Egypt maintains the treaty, the treaty never required Egypt to join Israeli and American conspiracies against other Arabs. It never required Egypt to become the keystone in an American-led alliance with Israel and Saudi Arabia against an allegedly expansionist Iran. It never required Egypt to adopt and disseminate the vile "Sunni vs. Shia" sectarian rhetoric that was deliberately used to try to shore up this narrative of confrontation. It never required Egypt to participate in Israel's cruel siege of Gaza or collaborate closely with its intelligence services against Palestinians. It never required Egypt to become a world center of torture for the United States in its so-called "War on Terror." The treaty did not require Egypt to shoot dead migrants crossing Sinai from other parts of Africa just to spare Israelis from seeing black people in Tel Aviv. No treaty required or requires Egypt to carry on with these and so many more shameful policies that earned Hosni Mubarak and has regime the hatred of millions of Arabs and others far beyond Egypt's borders.

There is no doubt that the United States will not give up its hegemony in Egypt easily, and will do all it can to frustrate any Egyptian move toward an independent regional policy, using as leverage its deep ties and enormous aid to the Egyptian military that now rules the country. The regional ambitions of the United States remain the main external threat to the success of Egypt's revolution.

Whatever break or continuity there is with Egypt's past policies, the calculations have changed for remaining members of the so-called "alliance of moderates," particularly Saudi Arabia -- which allegedly offered to prop Mubarak up financially if the US withdrew its aid -- Jordan and the Palestinian Authority.

For many years, these regimes, like Egypt, bet their security and survival on a virtually unconditional alliance with the United States: they abandoned all dignified, independent and principled positions and adopted America's hegemonic aspirations as their own, in exchange for assistance, and what they hoped was a guarantee that the US would come to their rescue if they got in trouble.

What the revolutions demonstrate to all Arab regimes is that the United States cannot rescue you in the end. No amount of "security assistance" (training, tear gas, weapons), financial aid, or intelligence cooperation from the United States or France can withstand a population that has decided it has had enough. These regimes' room for maneuver has shrunk even if the sorts of uprisings seen in Egypt and Tunisia are not imminent elsewhere.

After the revolutions, people's expectations have been raised and their tolerance for the old ways diminished. Whether things go on as they have for a few weeks, a few months, or even a few more years in this or that country, the pressures and demands for change will be irresistible. The remaining Arab regimes must now ask not if change will happen but how.
 
Boaz said:
becoming a prostitute?
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he was a prostitute to western demands for 31 yrs and he made quite the fortune of it now he can do what prostitutes do best and write his memoirs in his twilight yrs..
 
Salaam/Peace


Mubarak may have stolen $70 billion from Egyptians -- one third of their national income!

Getting it back will require immediate action from governments around the world. Sign the emergency petition to freeze Mubarak's assets now, and then forward this message!

Let's call on leaders of all nations to ensure that Egypt's money is returned to the people. Our petition will be delivered, if we reach 500,000 signatures, to G20 finance ministers when they meet this Friday in Paris. Let's add our names now and spread the word!

http://www.avaaz.org/en/mubaraks_fortune/?vl
 
he learned well from Ben Ali.. divided his fortune well during the discourse of those 18 days.. put much of it in Israel, the gulf, it isn't all in Swiss banks you know...
may Allah swt rid us of him and his ilk..

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Wouldn't a democracy full of fundamentalist religoius people simply vote itself into being a theocracy?
 
Yes, but it will be interesting to see what they elect to do.

Will they move towards a Sharia government? Will they attempt to institute a khalifate, or will they elect to remain a democracy? Or will they attempt some hybrid of the two?

It would be interesting to see what would happen if they voted to give away their right to vote.
 
titus said:
It would be interesting to see what would happen if they voted to give away their right to vote.
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Egyptians gave away the right to their voices when they succumbed to the evil tentacles of the west. 'Secularism' did away with any right to vote in Egypt and other Muslim majority regions. Insha'Allah with shari'a instituted all of that will change.. westerners can brain wash themselves as they attempt to brain wash others.. I think people want the evil grip of the west out of their countries and a new dawn for this ummah to rise again is looming on the horizon.. may the Zionists and their poodles in the west be forever more afraid of what is in store for them, and may our prisoners held without trial for the mere fact that they bear the label of Muslim be freed, with ever more renewed vigor to reclaim what is rightfully ours!
 
- Qatada - said:
That's what democracy is supposed to do - establish what the Majority want.
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I disagree that, that is what democracy establishes... you can have 50+1 usurping the opinion of 50-1.. that doesn't seem fair to me at all and it doesn't seem to me like a 'majority want' when nearly fifty percent will be oppressed.. a shura system is far superior since no voice gets neglected and no man made age cut-off!

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It shocks me to see fb status of some Muslim friend's about the dawn of "democracy" in Egypt and they say "inshAllah" at the end! I am baffled .... to see my friends believe that seeking democracy (I assume they are referring to Western style democracy) is an Islamic ideal we all should strive for ... I hope people in Egypt demand for a Khilafah to be established. Its hard to choose a leader when there are so many sects abound.

Yesterday in one of our Individual and Medicine sessions, we were talking about the ethical issues surrounding ALS and the prof referred to what's happening in Middle East in regards to women rights. I am sure he'd like to see women back home become "totally free" as they are in his country... I kind of chuckled but had to keep my calm in regards to his stupid comment. These western folk really think they are in a position to make comments about Muslim societies while they sit in their ivory towers.
 
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