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What about all of them?
Yes yes yes wohoooooo he stepped down, armed forces to take control of egypt
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What about all of them?
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I don't call a shari3a system a theocracy.. Theocracy the one in charge claims to be divinely inspired.. which to me is like George Bush claiming God is speaking to him or the pope amending the bible because he has the power through God.. a shura system isn't a theocracy yet governs by God's laws.. that is my understanding of the definition!
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Why was Tony Blair, who usually expects a six figure sum for speaking engagements these days, so keen to give a rare, extended live interview to Sky News at the start of the Egyptian democracy protests at the end of January?
Speaking from Jerusalem in his capacity as Middle East do-gooder, he warned against rushing to oust President Hosni Mubarak and argued that it would be better to move to ‘a situation where the Egyptian government evolves and you have full fair and free elections at a certain point in time’.
The former British PM said was vital not to jeopardise peace in the region. But perhaps there was another reason he was reluctant to withdraw support for Mubarak – Blair took his Christmas hols in Egypt no fewer than 5 times between 2000 and 2005. On the first of those visits, Blair spent ‘six nights as a guest of the Egyptian government at two private government villas at the New Tower Hotel in Sharm-el-Sheikh’, according to the Commons register of members interests while on at least one subsequent trip Mubarak paid for flights.
Curiously, despite offering such hospitality the Egyptian leader did not rate a single mention in Blair’s recently published memoirs, A journey. However as the former PM showed in his interview with Sky he had not forgotten his old holiday host – even if his supportive comments did nothing to keep Mubarak in power.
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He's slippery
This should be of interest
Tonys Crony
Why was Tony Blair, who usually expects a six figure sum for speaking engagements these days, so keen to give a rare, extended live interview to Sky News at the start of the Egyptian democracy protests at the end of January?
Speaking from Jerusalem in his capacity as Middle East do-gooder, he warned against rushing to oust President Hosni Mubarak and argued that it would be better to move to ‘a situation where the Egyptian government evolves and you have full fair and free elections at a certain point in time’.
The former British PM said was vital not to jeopardise peace in the region. But perhaps there was another reason he was reluctant to withdraw support for Mubarak – Blair took his Christmas hols in Egypt no fewer than 5 times between 2000 and 2005. On the first of those visits, Blair spent ‘six nights as a guest of the Egyptian government at two private government villas at the New Tower Hotel in Sharm-el-Sheikh’, according to the Commons register of members interests while on at least one subsequent trip Mubarak paid for flights.
Curiously, despite offering such hospitality the Egyptian leader did not rate a single mention in Blair’s recently published memoirs, A journey. However as the former PM showed in his interview with Sky he had not forgotten his old holiday host – even if his supportive comments did nothing to keep Mubarak in power.
Courtesy of P.E
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I think this is called irony.
How about The Ottoman Empire? I wouldn't call over 600 years a failure! Btw the Vatican exists and is quite successful.
Sharia is, by definition, a theocracy, since the system is one believed to be ordained by God. Theocracy does not necessarily mean that the leaders are in direct contact with a deity, it can also mean a system of government proscribed by a deity, which is what Sharia is.
So while the Vatican City is considered a theocracy because the Pope is supposed to be directly inspired by God, so is Sharia a form of theocracy because the form of government is one that is inspired by God.
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shari3a شريعة by definition means n. law, code, legislation, dispensation, canon, religious law -- which doesn't equal to theocracy which by definition = A political unit governed by a deity (or by officials thought to be divinely guided).
No one is sitting there receiving transmissions from heaven.. Islamic law is actually very sound with nothing supernatural about it.. you don't for instance using the example of Vatican hold the belief that unbaptized children are doomed to hell and then all of a sudden receive divine revelation that no they'll go to heaven. It doesn't work out that way so please quit supplying your own definitions to matters you clearly don't understand!
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Divinely guided is not limited to direct contact with a deity, but also through other means, in the case of Islam that would be the Quran, Hadith, etc. If scholars are interpreting what God wants and implementing it as law then that is the basis of a theocracy - A state in which the laws are made by God.
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definitions are given, examples are clearly elucidated.. any further engagement I'll expect to see your doctorate from Al-Azhar!
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I don't have my doctorate from Al-Azhar, but then again neither do you. The facts of my post still remain.
Sharia is a system supposedly instituted by God that is required to be implemented according to God's will as explained in the Quran and other divinely inspired sources. This makes it, by definition, a theocracy.
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τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1411173 said:
I can see a difference. The Qur'an is considered to be divinely inspired sources but not the leader.
In some theocracies, the leader might be seen to have a close relationship with good, therefore, he is considered to be divine or something along those lines...
Here is the definition for theocracy...according to Microsoft Word:
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So the Sharia is not exactly a theocracy...
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I can see a difference. The Qur'an is considered to be divinely inspired sources but not the leader.
In some theocracies, the leader might be seen to have a close relationship with good, therefore, he is considered to be divine or something along those lines...
Here is the definition for theocracy...according to Microsoft Word:
So the Sharia is not exactly a theocracy...
Thank you.. it does get tedious after a while doesn't it? Some people are either unwilling or unable to learn, I don't know which but neither is a trait that one should accommodate!
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τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1411354 said:
Thank you.. it does get tedious after a while doesn't it? Some people are either unwilling or unable to learn, I don't know which but neither is a trait that one should accommodate!
Your welcome. Yes it does get tedious at times. I would say it is a combination of both traits...
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I am glad you've familiarized yourself with article 2 of the Egyptian constitution!
Constitutional Status of Islam(ic Law)
Article 2 affirms Islam as state religion; amended in 1980 to add recognition of the principles of Islamic jurisprudence as the principal source of legislation.
Court System
Shari�a courts integrated into national court system in 1956. Family law applied within National Courts by judges trained in shari�a (separate family chambers for Copts). Appeals go through regular courts, to Court of Appeals and then to Court of Cassation.
hopefully insha'Allah Islamic law would be a complete totality politics/ economics / social structure and not just the Judiciary system ..
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rather a tyrant has fallen and an ummah will rise insha'Allah!
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the vale lily do you really believe in this?
A good leader is one who can unite the muslim world, and dosn't fear people who kiss american ass. I hope the new lead will be good, but I doubt it. Arabic leaders in my opinion don't have enough jihad and ambition anymore to do anything for Islam. Look at Israel - Jordan, Syria, etc. Jordan and Syria 2 great strong countries don't have enough ambition to do anything, and look what countries are the most beloved ones of arabia. The only country atm. with a little ambition is Iran. Turkey also, but Turkey is un-islamic.
Just my view, no need to get offended.
A good leader is one who can unite the muslim world, and dosn't fear people who kiss american ass. I hope the new lead will be good, but I doubt it. Arabic leaders in my opinion don't have enough jihad and ambition anymore to do anything for Islam. Look at Israel - Jordan, Syria, etc. Jordan and Syria 2 great strong countries don't have enough ambition to do anything, and look what countries are the most beloved ones of arabia. The only country atm. with a little ambition is Iran. Turkey also, but Turkey is un-islamic.
Just my view, no need to get offended.
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I am hopeful indeed!
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^ Salaam,
I like Noam Chomsky but he speaks too low...the volume is full bast too.
I like Noam Chomsky but he speaks too low...the volume is full bast too.