Younger Muslims 'radical' - heated debate

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^^ Watch it, thanks. Stoning is for adultery. Get your facts straight. Don't run your feelings overboard.
 
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Dude calm down no ones asking you to. What are the prospects of Shariah in Britian? none. I wouldnt want Shariah in this country anyway. like i said inshallah in another country. Who said anything about force?
 
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It's not going up You read too many Islamic sites.
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I'm not reading too many Islamic sites. If its not going up, then there wouldnt be videos of so many reverting and a lot reverting on forums like these.
 
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Tayyaba said:
I'm not reading too many Islamic sites. If its not going up, then there wouldnt be videos of so many reverting and a lot reverting on forums like these.
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Exactly... look please dont be afraid in time the misunderstanding that you may have will dissapear (god willing). The thing about Islam and its principles is that you need to think objectivly. We ask ourselves how will this benefit me in the after life, will this have lasting impact or not etc.
 
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Tayyaba said:
^^still going up. thats all i care. whether its ".2%"
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Tayyaba;

I think you are dreaming. Without serious in-migration of foreign muslims, the demographics aren't going to change significantly in England. True, there will be a limited number of conversions of disaffected young people but inevitably, some 2nd and 3rd generation muslims will drift toward a non-observant lifestyle.

You can see in France what happens when the locals start to get nervous...they vote for guys like Le Pen.

Look at Lebanon, for eg., to see what happens when Western influences meet up with Islam...some middle ground on social behavior becomes the norm.

Now..if, as a result of cultural homgenation between English and Muslim customs is seen in England, and some middle eastern dishes replace kidney pie in English cuisine, then something good will come of it.

As it stands now, I think English muslims should be thankful they have the privledge to live in one of the most hospitable and forgiving countries in the world and stop with the foolish bravado about sharia law in England.

Attn. MI5: I voted for Bush. Please delete me from your surveilance list. Yeah team.
 
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Tayyaba;

I think you are dreaming. Without serious in-migration of foreign muslims, the demographics aren't going to change significantly in England. True, there will be a limited number of conversions of disaffected young people but inevitably, some 2nd and 3rd generation muslims will drift toward a non-observant lifestyle.

You can see in France what happens when the locals start to get nervous...they vote for guys like Le Pen.

Look at Lebanon, for eg., to see what happens when Western influences meet up with Islam...some middle ground on social behavior becomes the norm.

Now..if, as a result of cultural homgenation between English and Muslim customs is seen in England, and some middle eastern dishes replace kidney pie in English cuisine, then something good will come of it.

As it stands now, I think English muslims should be thankful they have the privledge to live in one of the most hospitable and forgiving countries in the world and stop with the foolish bravado about sharia law in England.

Attn. MI5: I voted for Bush. Please delete me from your surveilance list. Yeah team
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^^Before you go on any further. Though this was also pretty useless...I wasn't talking about Shariah, I was referring to reverts to Islam. Now maybe you should calm your mind down, before you screw up anywhere else and make a fool of yourself. If Britain wants to claim to be hospitable, then maybe they should not make stupid moves that affect the Muslims living their and then try to fix it again, cause they screwed up.
 
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the prophet saws always encouraged us to be kind and patient. :)

"Invite to the way of your lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching"


lol thought i'll mention that :D
 
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Tayyaba said:
I'm not reading too many Islamic sites. If its not going up, then there wouldnt be videos of so many reverting and a lot reverting on forums like these.
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There will be videos. You find alsorts of videos on the internet. It doesn't mean it's increasing. You will also find the odd post there and then of people converting on this site but they have searched the internet for this forum to gain credit. It is still a tiny proportion. It doesn't mean it's increasing at all.
 
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IbnAbdulHakim said:
the prophet saws always encouraged us to be kind and patient. :)

"Invite to the way of your lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching"


lol thought i'll mention that :D
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Yea well I have anger issues when people grow up learning English, but still cant realize what I'm talking about in my post.
 
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Tayyaba said:
Yea well I have anger issues when people grow up learning English, but still cant realize what I'm talking about in my post.
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looooool

i undastand sis lol, jus smile while you shout :p makes all the diff like this,


you totally confused fool :D :D (chacha jalebi masterd it :p)
 
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Lol, well I have a habit of trying to diss in a serious manner when I'm annoyed, since I cant go all out with my anger :X lol.

England said:
There will be videos. You find alsorts of videos on the internet. It doesn't mean it's increasing. You will also find the odd post there and then of people converting on this site but they have searched the internet for this forum to gain credit. It is still a tiny proportion. It doesn't mean it's increasing at all.
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Whatever you say mate...
 
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Emir Aziz said:
its necessary to be secular to maintain a modern and functional economy.for that a certain degree of freedom needs to be provided.
however,strict Sharia laws should be applied for crimes like murder,rape,kidnapping,extortion,smuggling,etc.
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Bro, that is where we are going wrong. Secularism is antithesis to Islam.

We need to ask ourself, what's wrong with Islam that we need secularism?

Are we saying to Allah(s.w.t) when we bow our head in the masjid that "sorry Allah secularism is better than Islam so that is why we need to oppose you rule so our neigbours will be pleased with us supposedly for a stable economy"


This is the wrong way to go about, and idea that every muslims, you and I need to shed (get rid of).
Do not sell the ayat of Allah(s.w.t) for a miserable price, like some of the people of scriptures did.
 
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Tayyaba said:
^^Before you go on any further. Though this was also pretty useless...I wasn't talking about Shariah, I was referring to reverts to Islam. Now maybe you should calm your mind down, before you screw up anywhere else and make a fool of yourself. If Britain wants to claim to be hospitable, then maybe they should not make stupid moves that affect the Muslims living their and then try to fix it again, cause they screwed up.
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My, my. That was a bit harsh.

First, expel or convert or exterminate the non-believers....then Sharia. I now understand.

Sorry for my lack of understanding. Clearly, though you did not understand my explantation of why your vision isn't realistic.
 
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Cognescenti said:
First, expel or convert or exterminate the non-believers....then Sharia. I now understand.

Sorry for my lack of understanding. Clearly, though you did not understand my explantation of why your vision isn't realistic.
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sorry im lost, how did you get this from her post?

Islam teaches us to live in peace with everyone, we're just going to force you to pay jizya thats all, its still less then tax though :)
 
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Cognescenti said:
My, my. That was a bit harsh.

First, expel or convert or exterminate the non-believers....then Sharia. I now understand.

Sorry for my lack of understanding. Clearly, though you did not understand my explantation of why your vision isn't realistic.
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LOL. talk about harsh. You must have a genius brain to get out all that unrelating info out of my post :rolleyes:

Dude go back and read. If you need to read, read it like a few 100s times, then maybe it will sink :D
 
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IbnAbdulHakim said:
sorry im lost, how did you get this from her post?

Islam teaches us to live in peace with everyone, we're just going to force you to pay jizya thats all, its still less then tax though :)
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I may have extrapolated a bit after her blistering response :happy:

What is jizya?
 
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Cognescenti said:
I may have extrapolated a bit after her blistering response :happy:

What is jizya?
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jizya is the money paid to the poor, so we take it from you and give it to the needy :), dont worry muslims pay zakaat, so its all fair and justice, we dont treat you worser then others :)
 
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Tayyaba said:
LOL. talk about harsh. You must have a genius brain to get out all that unrelating info out of my post :rolleyes:

Dude go back and read. If you need to read, read it like a few 100s times, then maybe it will sink :D
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So stipulated. You did not explicitly advocate the violent overthrow of Britain. I was purposely being hyperbolic. Please tell me what smilie I am supposed to use around here when I post something that, under normal circumstances, would be immediately be perceived as satirical.

You did seem to express a rather odd satisfaction with conversion of the locals to Islam, (I don't have any particualr problem with that as long as they don't follow in teh footsteps of Richard Reid). At least it seems odd to me from thousands of miles away. Is it some kind of contest?

If you think my observations about political and cultural pushback in France, for eg., don't apply to Britain, fine, it doens't hurt my feelings.
 

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