Did Jesus of the Bible sin?

sorry if i was offensive... i didn't intend to be... jus tryin to air my 'disbeleif' of the story... perhaps i shud've used other means.. my apologies..

to explain... I don't understand how the story could even make sense... personally i think the story was a 'metaphor' so to speak... the forbidden fruit could have been 'adultery' on their part... (intercourse, but not being married).. and this notion that eve came from adams ribs?? that doesn't make sense.. because we all kno that man comes from woman, not the other way around... the story in the bible makes the earth about 10,000 years old.. and we KNOW the earth is a LOT older then that...

format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian

I remember a hadith-don't know where it is- which states that every human except Isa and Maryam aleyhissalam sinned...What do you think about this?

I think that's the Hadees which says that Shaytaan touches every human BUT he couldn't touch Eesa & Maryam.!!!!

Bukhari:55:641:-
Narated By Said bin Al-Musaiyab : Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan, except Mary and her child." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan" (3.36)

& hadees in MustataMC's this post is important.

see, that bein said.. there's no way to PROVE Jesus said anything... jus because i's in the bible, doesn't make it so...

u see where i'm comin from right?

what evidence is between king david and adam? can u please provide sources?

format_quote Originally Posted by john316

disagree atleast i dont get offended by your beliefs. Jesus did say that from the begining God made us male and female. So if Jesus is true evolution is not true. There is evidence that King David ruled Israel 3000 years ago. and in the lineage between Adam and David there is no contradiction. So it is impossible for David to have descended from a myth.

Oh yeah, according to the Bible, God had at least one more son in addition to Jesus Luke 3:37 ...the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

format_quote Originally Posted by john316

first off all i dont believe in evolution. i am a young earth creationist. and there is some science that can prove young earth creationism.

Now to Hana, we believe in repentance and reconciling to those we have hurt. But we must also understand that all sinned against God. and God reconciled to us through the death of Christ. there other sins like masturbation, covet, etc. which are offensive to God. not just offending your neighbour. Just as God in Christ forgave us we are to forgive one another but that doesnt promote tolerance.

When people accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior they start a new relationship with God in Christ by the Power of His Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit empowers them to lead godly lives. They dont want to sin. They live their lives for God and neighbour first. It's a relationship that makes them feel bad everytime they do sin. They will be renewed to godly sorrow which works repentance unto salvation.

yeah, ummm, blah, blah, blah. You still haven't responded to say WHY. God is the creator of man, He gave us the ability to sin or not to sin. Now you say He was soooo surprised, and was clueless to the fact His creations would sin, that the ONLY way to forgive His creations is to create a "son", make Him sinless, then make Him the MOST sinful person in history by placing the entire sins of the world on His shoulders, then torture Him and murder Him to make things right. The creator doesn't know anything about His creations!?

Have you ever actually sat down and listened to what you're saying??? Your entire salvation is based on this?? Where is the logic?? Don't give me lip service, give me logic. Tell me WHY you believe God, the creator of ALL things couldn't figure out a just way to forgive without the slaughter of a sinless man.

God is not the author of confusion. He would not make your salvation something impossible to obtain nor impossible to understand and for 100% sure he would NOT be unfair in the slightest way.

Anyway, God gave us the ability to reason, take advantage of that gift.

And please don't respond with a bunch of verses. I want to hear YOU explain it with your own words.

Hana

format_quote Originally Posted by Heera Singh

sorry if i was offensive... i didn't intend to be... jus tryin to air my 'disbeleif' of the story... perhaps i shud've used other means.. my apologies..

That's okay.

personally i think the story was a 'metaphor' so to speak...

Some Christains believe that, but in Islam we don'tl

the forbidden fruit could have been 'adultery' on their part... (intercourse, but not being married)..

But they were married, so it can't be!

and this notion that eve came from adams ribs?? that doesn't make sense.. because we all kno that man comes from woman, not the other way around...

Why? Isn't God, who created us from nothing, able to create a women from the rib of a man? Og course He can.

And as far as I know, genetically speaking, it makes more sense to make a women from a man, because the man has an X gene, and women have two X's. But men must have a Y gene to be men, and women do not have the Y gene, so then the genetic make up of the rib of a women can't produce a man.

Not that it matters anyway. If God willed He could have made a Y in there somehow...

the story in the bible makes the earth about 10,000 years old.. and we KNOW the earth is a LOT older then that...

This age is a biblical idea, not an Islamic one.

(i'll quote just one point of ur post since I have to go, i'll reply to the rest tomorrow)

This age is a biblical idea, not an Islamic one.

But here's where the real question lies. If you believe the Bible to be the word of God, then you have to believe all of it, otherwise if there's some fault in it, then it cannot be considered the Word of God, as God is Perfect, and so shud be his WORD. I don't think it makes sense to only believe certain parts which agree with your own beliefs.

format_quote Originally Posted by john316

the way you post is as if to say that you are 100% right and I am 100% wrong. First of all you tell me to think logically when there are something which you seem to have no clue of. For example you say that Jesus the Son of God was created. when Jesus was never really created. He was with God from the beginning.(John 1:1). The term begotten emphasizes the relationship between God and Jesus is as precious a Father has with his Only begotten Son. God and Jesus existed before creation..beforethe physical realm was even created. Jesus and God are one. One Lord one God.

Secondly God crreated everything good and evil. He just gives you a choice or the free will to obey or disobey. Those who love Him and obey Him spend an eternity with Him. Those who dont spend an eternity in His everlasting wrath. Jesus preached one message. Repentance because all sinned.

...and still, you cannot respond. Why do you find it so hard to say, "I believe it, but I can't explain it." Because that is EXACTLY the way it is.

I have no clue? Let me see who else was with God from the beginning?? Hmmm, now who could that be. Oh yessss, that's right Jeremiah! And, ummm, who was that other guy, hmmmmm, let me think, you know the guy with no beginning and no end, without mother and father...noooo, not God, not Jesus, but Melchizedek!!!! By your explanation Melchizedek deserves worship as a God too!

Let's see, what else?? Oh yes, the term "begotten" is not found in the oldest manuscripts and has been removed from most modern translations. Now it is "unique". You know, kinda like Melchizekek.

No, the one thing Jesus preached was not "repentance because all sinned", it was OH HEAR O ISRAEL, THE LORD THY GOD IS ONE LORD! You know...the FIRST commandment. What you are quoting is PAULINE doctrine...not the Gospel according to Jesus. Speaking of which....where exactly is that??

So, please don't insult me by suggesting I don't have a clue when I am very well versed in Biblical doctrine. Far from a scholar, but I studied for YEARS and still do. So, once again, your opinions and accusations about me are unfounded.

Peace

Hana

format_quote Originally Posted by Heera Singh

But here's where the real question lies. If you believe the Bible to be the word of God, then you have to believe all of it, otherwise if there's some fault in it, then it cannot be considered the Word of God, as God is Perfect, and so shud be his WORD. I don't think it makes sense to only believe certain parts which agree with your own beliefs.

That's just it. We don't believe the bible is the word of God. The bible is a book written by men. There are some chapters that Christians believe are actually the word of God (I think it was the first four chapters/books of the OT), but as for the most part, it was written by men. Therefore it is not the word of God at all.

As Muslims, our Holy Book is the Quran and only that is the pure Word of God remaining today. We believe that there is some truth in the bible, but that there is also much falsehood.

^^ very true +
"Israel is my son, even my firstborn." II Samuel 7:14 and I Chronicles 22:10: "...and he shall be my son (Solomon)." Jeremiah 31:9: "...and Ephraim is my firstborn." Also, Psalm 2:7.

In Psalm 2:7, the Lord said to David:

"...Thou art my son: this day have I begotten thee."

format_quote Originally Posted by MustafaMc

Yes, I was shocked to read about this in Hebrews 7:1-3. Actually, Melchizedek is "one-up" on Jesus (as), because at least Jesus (as) had a mother.

Yup, exactly!!

so God ordained himself?