Saudi woman seeks to put women in the driving seat

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^^As I've already said why ot for once let women decide what's dangerous for them? If they want to travel alone, let them! It's their life and they're not two year olds who can't handle being out alone. >_<
 
LauraS said:
^^As I've already said why ot for once let women decide what's dangerous for them? If they want to travel alone, let them! It's their life and they're not two year olds who can't handle being out alone. >_<
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People in my place say "different field, different grasshopper, different pond, different fish". It's mean in different place, the culture is also different. Russian culture is different than Iranian culture. Japanese culture is different than Kenyan culture. Saudis have their own culture that different than other people cultures.

Laura, it's better if you learn about Saudi's culture first, if you want to 'review' this case. :)
 
ardianto said:
People in my place say "different field, different grasshopper, different pond, different fish". It's mean in different place, the culture is also different. Russian culture is different than Iranian culture. Japanese culture is different than Kenyan culture. Saudis have their own culture that different than other people cultures.

Laura, it's better if you learn about Saudi's culture first, if you want to 'review' this case. :)
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I don’t care what kind of culture it is! mahram can’t always be with the women when she is going to work. They are sexist! And I am not scared to say that! You know we keep saying Islam is all for women rights but here are people supporting a ban that has no basis in Islam!

It always, always the women that has to suffer! Do you know the women there have to have permission to education and work by their father , husband or son? Is that not enough? Or it is acceptable to take away the little bit of independence they have?

Last time we discussed this matter. Mad scientist thought allowing women to drive will give them “feminist” ideas. The idea is don’t give them an itch or they would run a mile.

Saudi women might as well wear nappies. Then they would know where they really stand!
 
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ardianto said:
So, I think it's better if Saudi women offer a "win-win solution", ask Saudi Ulama to change their fatwa into "Women are allowed to drive as long as their mahram is/are in the car"
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Assalamu alaikum brother ardianto,

Best answer yet, you should forward it to the Saudi Embassy !
Concidering a large section of the male population are to old to drive your suggestion is excelent.

Masalam
 
ardianto said:
People in my place say "different field, different grasshopper, different pond, different fish". It's mean in different place, the culture is also different. Russian culture is different than Iranian culture. Japanese culture is different than Kenyan culture. Saudis have their own culture that different than other people cultures.

Laura, it's better if you learn about Saudi's culture first, if you want to 'review' this case. :)
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Salaam,

I think culture is the main problem here. There is no reason why Saudi women should not be allowed to drive. The Saudi scholars have weak arguments, whether their rulings are based on Islam or culture or a combination of both.

I do think change must come from within Saudi Arabia rather than pressure from human rights groups and foreign countries.
 
al yunan said:
Which other parts of Shariah do you find bothers you ?
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What? Last time I checked women don’t need mahram to travel in their city or town?
Or do you consider women as babies....
It speaks volumes that you support this ban!
I think people should leave alone what we are allowed to do. That isn’t exactly going against Islam.
Or do we need mahram to travel to the toilet!
 
sweet106 said:
wont you being sarcastic by asking such questions?
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No, never !
It is a legitimate question as there are many sects which oppose various parts of Islam such as Ahadith and Mathab plus Modernists and the list goes on and on. You then have the Shi'a who only follow Shariah of a living person and Sufi sects who only recognize their Shaikh's Shariah e.t.c. I think I've made my point and with Haya !
 
al yunan said:
No, never !
It is a legitimate question as there are many sects which oppose various parts of Islam such as Ahadith and Mathab plus Modernists and the list goes on and on. You then have the Shi'a who only follow Shariah of a living person and Sufi sects who only recognize their Shaikh's Shariah e.t.c. I think I've made my point and with Haya !
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And what has that got to do with me?
I told you there nothing forbidden women to ‘travel’ in their own city or town. So if I want to travel around in London city alone, I am not going against Allah (swt).

Again why ask that question?
 
mad_scientist said:
And it is interesting how like 95% of humans, you call medicine profession "noble" just because it helps you when you need them but others are not noble (janitor for example). Typical stereotypical mentality. Well if majority is right, majority in Saudi should be heard too even if it crumbles your heart!
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I said "a" and that mean I do consider other profession as noble! And how do you know majority of Saudi want a ban on women driving! Those who dont get arrested and are told to shut up! Love it how all of the sudden you believe in democracy.
 
al yunan said:
Which other parts of Shariah do you find bothers you ?
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Salaam,

She was saying that a women should be allowed to drive a car without a mahram. Would you consider this ruling to be in accordance with the Sharia?
 
Guestfellow said:
She was saying that a women should be allowed to drive a car without a mahram. Would you consider this ruling to be in accordance with the Sharia?
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Walaikum assalam,

What I consider or think is not the issue here as we are talking about Saudi Arabia and their Idea of Shariah.
To simply criticise with out a solution is Fitnah, I don't particularly care for their version of Islam but I must say it's a lot better than many goofy other ideas.
Brother ardianto had a good idea within the boundaries of what the Saudis believe which I supported.
To criticise other Mathabs is not within my scope of knowledge as I'm not an Alim and especially not proficient as to controversial interpretations like Abdul Wahhab's.
In the four Mathab that I respect and adhere to there are limits as to a wife's freedom of movement and a certain Adab.
Some people find these restrictions uncomfortable thus my question to her plus for the other reasons stated.
I do not find criticism of the Sunnah a light matter and find the ideas of Modernists blasphemous.
Finally even if people disagree their is no need to ignore basic Adab as some might interpret the lack of it as an unvoiced Takfir.
I think you would agree that a lack of Knowledge can be understood and accepted but a lack of Haya ?

Masalam
 
The limit to your wife “movement” is 48 miles (3days) ! Driving a car around your city or town is NOT 48 miles!
Like I said there is nothing in Islam banning women from travelling alone in her own city or town. So I can criticise them as much as I want!
 
sweet106 said:
I don’t care what kind of culture it is! mahram can’t always be with the women when she is going to work. They are sexist! And I am not scared to say that! You know we keep saying Islam is all for women rights but here are people supporting a ban that has no basis in Islam!

It always, always the women that has to suffer! Do you know the women there have to have permission to education and work by their father , husband or son? Is that not enough? Or it is acceptable to take away the little bit of independence they have?

Last time we discussed this matter. Mad scientist thought allowing women to drive will give them “feminist” ideas. The idea is don’t give them an itch or they would run a mile.

Saudi women might as well wear nappies. Then they would know where they really stand!
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Cool down, sister, cool down. :)

I know you have read my thread "Discuss about Indonesia here....." because you wrote few posts there, and you know how I am.

I do not support that prohibition to drive, and i was so curious, why Saudi ban women to drive ?. Then I tried to find the answer. I 'reviewed' fatawa that became basis for that prohibition. Also I observed Saudi culture. Finally, I arrived in a conclusion : Saudi Ulama will never allow women to traveling alone with car. They have many daleel for support it. But maybe, Saudi Ulama can allow women to drive car if their mahram is/are in the car, because Saudi Ulama don't have any daleel for prohibit it.

If I made an idea about change that fatwa into "Women are allowed to drive as long as their mahram is/are in the car", it's because I want to help Saudi women. Okay, if Saudi Ulama accept this idea, Saudi women still not allowed to traveling alone with car, but at least, Saudi women are allowed to control the cars as drivers.

Sister, sometime get a half is better than get nothing.
 
ardianto said:
Cool down, sister, cool down. :)

I know you have read my thread "Discuss about Indonesia here....." because you wrote few posts there, and you know how I am.

I do not support that prohibition to drive, and i was so curious, why Saudi ban women to drive ?. Then I tried to find the answer. I 'reviewed' fatawa that became basis for that prohibition. Also I observed Saudi culture. Finally, I arrived in a conclusion : Saudi Ulama will never allow women to traveling alone with car. They have many daleel for support it. But maybe, Saudi Ulama can allow women to drive car if their mahram is/are in the car, because Saudi Ulama don't have any daleel for prohibit it.

If I made an idea about change that fatwa into "Women are allowed to drive as long as their mahram is/are in the car", it's because I want to help Saudi women. Okay, if Saudi Ulama accept this idea, Saudi women still not allowed to traveling alone with car, but at least, Saudi women are allowed to control the cars as drivers.

Sister, sometime get a half is better than get nothing.
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thanks for your that. okay.
 
al yunan said:
Assalamu alaikum brother ardianto,

Best answer yet, you should forward it to the Saudi Embassy !
Concidering a large section of the male population are to old to drive your suggestion is excelent.

Masalam
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Wa' alaikum salam, brother Al Yunan.

I will not forward that suggestion to Saudi Embassy. But I hope some people will write this suggestion in their books which 'followers of Saudi Ulama' can read.

Saudi Ulama are known as scholars who have high knowledge. Unfortunately, Saudi Ulama are also known as Ulama who never open their 'door of Ijtihad' for 'other Muslims'. But they always listen to the voices of their followers.
 
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