Saudi woman seeks to put women in the driving seat

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I've been looking up why they don't allow women to drive and they just say it's in case they are in danger? How does it put them in danger though? Are there any other reasons for it? Because if the Prophet (PBUH- hope you don't mind me saying it, but I feel it's respectful) made the comment that women make the best camel drivers then how can it be wrong for women to drive cars? :p Even then women were considered to be better drivers...

Mad scientist do you not agree with women driving full stop then?
 
I've been looking up why they don't allow women to drive and they just say it's in case they are in danger? How does it put them in danger though?

I just find it ironic that Saudi women are allowed to drive an aeroplane but not a car... o_O
 
yes women should drive

good up to that woman taking a stand

btw all ur pics of cake are making my mouth water ^^^^
 
I just spoke with 1f my uncle who is saudi for about 20 years he said that the saudis are concerned about culture they fear that if they allow women, it won't stop with going to the local grocery store or hospital saudis fear ladies will be all over the city 4 shopping, coffee....... etc. no offense this is just an opinion of a persons who lives in saudi

btw in villages they drive a lot of vehicles I mean he said beduine ladies (actually what this word mean ? beduine ! ) no restriction in villages

brother adrinos has a point they can drive while marams are with them
 
Those who wanna drive should be allowed to drive, they'll never be able to feel the thrill in revving an engine! No fair =(
 
Idont agree..... that has no sense in the same time they accept stranger driver in their cars to drive girls women to th market its quite

ironic .A basic rule of Fikh say that things are halal in general and when you want to ban things or not allowed it...any way a FATWA

that Aoulma can made must be justified by interests of people

Let ´see an example : your child become ill and you have an emergency ???? you ave a car in the garage ??????

so.... you wont drive ?

Excuse me but it s made a bad image about Isam soooooooo bad

Women in time of our prophet Mohamad have more rights than women in Saudi Arabia
 
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I'm going to keep this short and to the point.

I didn't think this thread would bring much good except for opening the door to argumentation and debate.

1) The Saudi bad on women driving cars was issued by the great shaykh, Abdullah ibn Baaz (rahimullah). But before anyone wants to criticize a Muslim who has passed away, a great scholar at that, I urge you not to speak ill of the dead as it is forbidden in Islam.

2) We all agree that it makes no sense to ban women from driving and then appoint non-mahram chauffeurs to drive them around, this is is not from a religious stand point but from a cultural one.

3) Perhaps some this religious fatwa has mixed with some of the Saudi culture. We should go back to the root of this fatwa and understand the reason why it has been implemented by the Saudi government.

3) Whatever the issue, the winner of this debate is going to achieve nothing.

Below is the fatwa of Sh Ibn Baz (rahimullah).

Shaykh ‘Abdul‘Azeez ibn Baaz (rahimullah) said:

People have spoken a great deal in the al-Jazeerah newspaper about the issue of women driving cars. It is well known that it leads to evil consequences which are well known to those who promote it, such as being alone with a non-mahram woman, unveiling, reckless mixing with men, and committing haram actions because of which these things were forbidden. Islam forbids the things that lead to haram and regards them as being haram too.

Allah commanded the wives of the Prophet and the believing women to stay in their houses, to observe hijab and to avoid showing their adornments to non-mahrams because of the permissiveness that all these things lead to, which spells doom for society. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salaah (Iqamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet), and to purify you with a thorough purification”

[al-Ahzaab 33:33]

“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed”

[al-Ahzaab 33:59]

“And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allaah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful”

[al-Noor 24:31]

And the Prophet (:saws1:) said: “No man is alone with a (non-mahram) woman but the Shaytan is the third one present.”

Islam forbids all the things that may lead to immorality or accusations of immoral conduct made against chaste women, who never even think of anything touching their chastity, and it has stipulated a punishment for that which is one of the most severe of punishments, in order to protect society from the spread of the causes of immorality.

Women driving is one of the means that lead to that, and this is something obvious, but ignorance of the rulings of sharee’ah and the negative consequences of carelessness with regard to the things that lead to evil – as well as diseases of the heart that prevail at present – and love of permissiveness and enjoying looking at non-mahram women all lead to indulging in this and similar things, with no knowledge and paying no attention to the dangers that it leads to. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): (But) the things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are Al-Fawaahish (great evil sins and every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse) whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppression, joining partners (in worship) with Allaah for which He has given no authority, and saying things about Allaah of which you have no knowledge”

[al-A’raaf 7:33]

“and follow not the footsteps of Shaytaan (Satan). Verily, he is to you an open enemy”

[al-Baqarah 2:168]

And the Prophet (:saws1:) said: “I am not leaving behind me any fitnah more harmful to men than women.”

It was narrated that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan (r) said: “The people used to ask the Messenger of Allaah (:saws1:) about good things, but I used to ask him about bad things, fearing that I would live to see such things. I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, we were in a state of ignorance (jaahiliyyah) and evil, then Allaah sent us this good (i.e., Islam). Will there be any evil after this good?’ He said, ‘Yes.’ I said, ‘Will there by any good after that evil?’ He said, ‘Yes, but it will be tainted.’ I said, ‘How will it be tainted?’ He said, ‘(There will be) some people who will guide others in a way that is not according to my guidance. You will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of others.’ I said, ‘Will there be any evil after that good?’ He said, ‘Yes, there will be people calling at the gates of Hell, and whoever responds to their call, they will throw them into it (the Fire).’ I said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, describe them to us.’ He said, ‘They will be from among our people, speaking our language.’ I said, ‘What do you command me to do if I live to see such a thing?’ He said, ‘Adhere to the jamaa’ah (group, community) of the Muslims and their imaam (leader).’ I asked, ‘What if there is no jamaa’ah and no leader?’ He said, ‘Then keep away from all those groups, even if you have to bite (eat) the roots of a tree until death overtakes you whilst you are in that state.’” Agreed upon.

I call upon every Muslim to fear Allah in all that he says and does and to beware of fitnah and those who promote it. He should keep away from all that angers Allah or leads to His wrath, and he should be extremely cautious lest he be one of these callers to Hell of whom the Prophet (:saws1:) tells us in this hadeeth.

May Allah protect us from the evil of fitnah and its people, and protect this ummah from the evil of those who promote bad things. May He help the writers of our newspapers and all the Muslims to do that which pleases Him and may He set the Muslims straight and save them in this world and in the Hereafter, for He is Able to do that.

Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 3/351-353.

And finally, this is one of those threads which I'm going to be keeping a close eye on. If people get into arguments, I will close this thread.
 
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I just spoke with 1f my uncle who is saudi for about 20 years he said that the saudis are concerned about culture they fear that if they allow women, it won't stop with going to the local grocery store or hospital saudis fear ladies will be all over the city 4 shopping, coffee....... etc. no offense this is just an opinion of a persons who lives in saudi

btw in villages they drive a lot of vehicles I mean he said beduine ladies (actually what this word mean ? beduine ! ) no restriction in villages

brother adrinos has a point they can drive while marams are with them

What's wrong with that? what are we subhuman? Now the grocery store is sinister ajeeb :heated: (nothing against you personally)
I've never been to Saudi Arabia but I have quite a bit of family who live there and I asked my aunt who came from there about this and she said women should not drive because they lack the focus and responsibility needed for driving. Driving is just too much responsibility for woman to handle. She drives here in Canada...
 
Abd-la Latif- but in the article you posted the quotes all mention women remaining modest, surely if they drive while covered up there shouldn't be a problem? As for the "stay in your houses" part, are women then not allowed to go out unless it be completely necessary? You'd get a lot of fed up women. - I understand this is just a quote what you're saying though.

Mr President- Whaaaat? lol They don't think women should have a bit a relaxing time to get together? So what if they decide to go to coffee houses? Once again that doesn't mean they aren't covered up. Do they expect women to be prisoners in their own homes?

Guestfellow- Wow, that is ironic lol.
 
Abd-la Latif- but in the article you posted the quotes all mention women remaining modest, surely if they drive while covered up there shouldn't be a problem? As for the "stay in your houses" part, are women then not allowed to go out unless it be completely necessary? You'd get a lot of fed up women. - I understand this is just a quote what you're saying though.

Mr President- Whaaaat? lol They don't think women should have a bit a relaxing time to get together? So what if they decide to go to coffee houses? Once again that doesn't mean they aren't covered up. Do they expect women to be prisoners in their own homes?

Guestfellow- Wow, that is ironic lol.

Forget it; you aren’t getting your answer here. In that part of the world we are weak and inferior. We are to stay at home (the point of nigab, Hijab is?) and we are nothing but a baby making machine. :hmm:
The idea of us driving a car is completely out of the question. We will drive to non mahram but the men are morally superior. They won’t even dare to drive to non maharm. No they won’t.
So, don’t brother finding your answer here. Just give up. Because I have!
 
Forget it; you aren’t getting your answer here. In that part of the world we are weak and inferior. We are to stay at home (the point of nigab, Hijab is?) and we are nothing but a baby making machine. :hmm:
The idea of us driving a car is completely out of the question. We will drive to non mahram but the men are morally superior. They won’t even dare to drive to non maharm. No they won’t.
So, don’t brother finding your answer here. Just give up. Because I have!

I think I should give up because I'll just be repeating myself and then I read another comment that's :heated: lol and then I can't help myself.
 
Mr President- Whaaaat? lol They don't think women should have a bit a relaxing time to get together? So what if they decide to go to coffee houses? Once again that doesn't mean they aren't covered up. Do they expect women to be prisoners in their own homes?

:/

I've heard in Saudi Arabia, men and women are separated at some places like restaurants. So you have one section for men, one section for women and a family section...I think. :/ The point is women are allowed to meet together and engage in...activities...like gossiping lol.
 
What's wrong with that? what are we subhuman? Now the grocery store is sinister ajeeb :heated: (nothing against you personally)
I've never been to Saudi Arabia but I have quite a bit of family who live there and I asked my aunt who came from there about this and she said women should not drive because they lack the focus and responsibility needed for driving. Driving is just too much responsibility for woman to handle. She drives here in Canada...

she drives because shes allowed to. She wont if shes not allowed to. Heard about something called herd psychology?
 
Salaam,

I think culture is the main problem here. There is no reason why Saudi women should not be allowed to drive. The Saudi scholars have weak arguments, whether their rulings are based on Islam or culture or a combination of both.

I do think change must come from within Saudi Arabia rather than pressure from human rights groups and foreign countries.

Your culture of eating all these delicious/sweet foods is a problem. It can give you diabetes, dyslipidemia, hypercholesterolemia, atherosclerosis, q wave stemi, congestive heart failure, chronic kidney failure, uremia, liver failure .... and death. but we dont go and forcibly keep sweet foods away from you. Just like that you cant enforce things into Saudi culture, especially being a non-Saudi yourself.
 
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Salam to all,

The Ummah's problems with Saudi Arabia versus a local issue is beyond rediculous as 20 medical specialist debating on a black head pimple while the patient is dying of terminal cancer.^o)

On to our issue
The issue of Saudi women's rights to drive is significant to the Ummah how ?
The issue of women's torture and defacement in South Asia is less deserving so much attention because ?
The issue of woman's lives in abject poverty, starvation and rape in the sub Sahara region is ignorable why ?
The issue of female mutilation in the Arab world is not worth mention on the grounds of ?
The issues of women's and females in general, are so many and serious costing unknown number of lives per day and yet we all can fill 5 pages on this thread why ?:embarrass

The true irony is we call each other ignorant plus other names:omg: as if any of us are a picture of Taqwa and Adab and secondly the notion that we actually have a say or a voice in Saudi's affairs.:hmm:

Should the I.M.F or O.P.E.C pass a conditional to monetary or oil restrictive Fatwa Aha ! that may do it ! (my attempt at Humour);D

Masalam
 
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What's wrong with that? what are we subhuman? Now the grocery store is sinister ajeeb :heated: (nothing against you personally)
I've never been to Saudi Arabia but I have quite a bit of family who live there and I asked my aunt who came from there about this and she said women should not drive because they lack the focus and responsibility needed for driving. Driving is just too much responsibility for woman to handle. She drives here in Canada...

:omg: ;D subhuman !!! I aint against any of you driving its just an opinion of a person but what we need is an opinion of a saudi guy or lady then only we can really understand the problem
 
It's not true if Saudi women are not allowed to drive. The truth is : Women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia.

Saudi women can drive in other countries, even many of them have international driving license. Saudi govt know about it, of course. But Saudi govt never arrested Saudi women who drove in other countries.

The key to 'softening' this prohibition is in Ulama, not in government.


brother adrinos has a point they can drive while marams are with them
Oh, bro ! ........ my name is Ardianto. ;D
 
Salam to all,

The Ummah's problems with Saudi Arabia versus a local issue is beyond rediculous as 20 medical specialist debating on a black head pimple while the patient is dying of terminal cancer.^o)

On to our issue
The issue of Saudi women's rights to drive is significant to the Ummah how ?
The issue of women's torture and defacement in South Asia is less deserving so much attention because ?
The issue of woman's lives in abject poverty, starvation and rape in the sub Sahara region is ignorable why ?
The issue of female mutilation in the Arab world is not worth mention on the grounds of ?
The issues of women's and females in general, are so many and serious costing unknown number of lives per day and yet we all can fill 5 pages on this thread why ?:embarrass

The true irony is we call each other ignorant plus other names:omg: as if any of us are a picture of Taqwa and Adab and secondly the notion that we actually have a say or a voice in Saudi's affairs.:hmm:

Should the I.M.F or O.P.E.C pass a conditional to monetary or oil restrictive Fatwa Aha ! that may do it ! (my attempt at Humour);D

Masalam

Good points there bro!
 
It's not true if Saudi women are not allowed to drive. The truth is : Women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia.

Saudi women can drive in other countries, even many of them have international driving license. Saudi govt know about it, of course. But Saudi govt never arrested Saudi women who drove in other countries.

The key to 'softening' this prohibition is in Ulama, not in government.



Oh, bro ! ........ my name is Ardianto. ;D


Asslamu alaikum
sorry 4 tht brother Ardianto :D

Another thing is women are allowed to drive in villages btw this article talks alot of stuff about women driving
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/45880/women driving
 
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