Refinding my faith

[BadOlPuttyTat]

You need to stop blaming other people for your own lack of faith brother.

But I do not blame them, i blame the doctrine of the Quran as bad as that sounds imsad

 

[~ Sabr ~]

A Muslim would not disrespect the Qur'aan or it's teachings.

If you cared about Islam enough you wouldn't speak like this.

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

i blame the doctrine of the Quran as bad as that sounds

Why?????

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

Why?????

I will explain lioness in another thread just dont bite me . I have little meat on me and I wouldnt make a good dinner, a good snack perhaps but not a good dinner :statisfie

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

I will explain lioness in another thread just dont bite me . I have little meat on me and I wouldnt make a good dinner, a good snack perhaps but not a good dinner

Lioness eats apples. She's become a Halal eater.

Make sure you explain, OK?

Less of the pessimism, Brother FreakOffALeash, I know the world is harsh and evil and such but still, life is too precious and short to think negatively. I use to be pessimistic, but I changed my ways, too much sadness in the world, not enough positivity or smiling or happiness from the people around me, so now I smile, and try to make others smile. A job and a half, I'm telling ya.

But I do not blame them, i blame the doctrine of the Quran as bad as that sounds

So, why????? ^o)

 

[marwen]

I presume that is your personal "take a break" kit???

yes ! mg: OMG ! you think 'm crazy ? *packing his kit and disappearing*

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

Lioness eats apples. She's become a Halal eater.

Make sure you explain, OK?

Less of the pessimism, Brother FreakOffALeash, I know the world is harsh and evil and such but still, life is too precious and short to think negatively. I use to be pessimistic, but I changed my ways, too much sadness in the world, not enough positivity or smiling or happiness from the people around me, so now I smile, and try to make others smile. A job and a half, I'm telling ya.




So, why????? ^o)

I do not blame the Quran I dont mean that in a negative way the best way to say it is "I do not agree with it"

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

yes ! OMG ! you think 'm crazy ? *packing his kit and disappearing*

Come back! Don't disappear! I'm certain we will need it soon, in case the situation becomes dire!

I do not blame the Quran I dont mean that in a negative way the best way to say it is "I do not agree with it"

Be careful what you say (or write), little one, the Qur'aan is the word of God, given to Jibreel (Gabriel) (AS), to pass onto the beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who then gave it to the world.

Make another thread and discuss

 

[marwen]

"I do not agree with it"

Freak brother may be you do not understand Quran the right way. May be you do not have enough knowledge. Take it easy and have patience. Because every day we change our understanding about many things, and we discern our path more clearly day by day. You will be surprised by the number of ideas you may may change your opinion about, let the days teach you slowly and smoothly, don't precipitate because you will lose and ommit many important things with hastiness.
Just be objective, leave your emotions apart, and open your mind for all logical possibilities. Don't block your mind because you heard only one point of view, no matter how many supporters it has. If you are not accepting Islam, just don't force yourself into it. But be sincere with yourself, methodical and objective.

 

[MustafaMc]

But I do not blame them, i blame the doctrine of the Quran as bad as that sounds imsad

The Quran is what led me to Islam and it seems it is now what is distasteful to you after first disliking the hadith. I am terribly confused by your words as they are inconsistent with what a Muslim would write.

And a party of the people of the Scripture say: "Believe in the morning in that which is revealed to the believers (Muslims), and reject it at the end of the day, so that they may turn back. 3:72

Could it be that you are trying to turn us back from our religion through bringing up your 'doubts' about Islam?

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

Come back! Don't disappear! I'm certain we will need it soon, in case the situation becomes dire!



Be careful what you say (or write), little one, the Qur'aan is the word of God, given to Jibreel (Gabriel) (AS), to pass onto the beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who then gave it to the world.

Make another thread and discuss

I didnt mean to be negative about the Quran sorry :statisfie. Please understand that even though it is not my ultimate measure in life I by no means intend to disrespect the Quran nor its author. I like the Quran still and I like Islam but know that I am talking about what "I" can believe and what I can do. I cannot be a Muslim simply or at least a real one :hmm:

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

I didnt mean to be negative about the Quran sorry . Please understand that even though it is not my ultimate measure in life I by no means intend to disrespect the Quran nor its author. I like the Quran still and I like Islam but know that I am talking about what "I" can believe and what I can do. I cannot be a Muslim simply or at least a real one

You make me laugh.

You're very indecisive, aren't you?

Too much at stake with "I" in question. Oh dear.

God-willing, you shall find the right way, if not now, then later in life.

P.S. make sure to do another thread soon

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Greetings of peace FreakoffALeash (interesting name)

I do not blame the Quran I dont mean that in a negative way the best way to say it is "I do not agree with it

From what I've read members have advised you well, masha'Allaah, in this moment in time i suggest you take their advice.

And regarding those issues you disagree with feel free to do so by your own will, but at the same time I believe you've still loads of knowledge to gain and loads of sincere questions to ask, so basically you can't come to a conclusion unless you've read/studied the whole Qur'aan, studied ahadeeth from those with knowledge, there are many verses and hadeeth that one may not understand, one has to understand the context of the narration or also understanding the basic principles of the faith etc, ofcourse from suitable sources. The net isn't the place to do this, as you'll come across loads of interpretations which is very dangerous.

Also, I saw a thread of yours something about 'Iblis is Sanatana', if that is so, from what I recall reading you was asking for help or advice? and realising that it's 'satanic' yet you still choose to follow the faith, but perhaps i'm missing something here? And at the same time you want to follow the abrahamic faith..If you'd wanna follow the abrahamic faith, you'd realise most of the practices of Hindu's aren't part of the 'abrahamic' faith , anyway, Apologies but i'm confused..

However, I suggest you make sincere prayer and ask Allaah to guide you to the right path.

All the best!

 

[M.I.A.]

freakofaleash.

there is only one god. any faith of any real value will mirror the quran.. if not in its entirety then in concepts. there descriptions will not always be the same or narrated in the same way but if you find anything "real"

then it is easy to find it wherever it is mentioned. the truth always prevails.. although it does not always translate well.

i guess if you want peace then you have to define peace as it is for you and what sets you apart from it.

following the quran is not that hard or restrictive. its just you and a book.

what sets it at odds with peace? only its interpretation. each to his own understanding.


i dont mind that you agree with sentiment against muslims.. we are not the people of 1400 years ago.

but you started from scratch. you pick and choose who to follow. and amongst the growing sects you might find some views that appeal to you.


but mostly its just you and the book.. that can take an entire lifetime to understand.. how it works practically, spiritually

and my own personal weakness.. historically.

edit. forgot socially..


but changing religion just means you didnt give it the time to sink in. whatever you were looking for, you gave up before you found it.

there might be easier religions but you would have to explain why they were easier.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

Greetings of peace FreakoffALeash (interesting name)



From what I've read members have advised you well, masha'Allaah, in this moment in time i suggest you take their advice.

And regarding those issues you disagree with feel free to do so by your own will, but at the same time I believe you've still loads of knowledge to gain and loads of sincere questions to ask, so basically you can't come to a conclusion unless you've read/studied the whole Qur'aan, studied ahadeeth from those with knowledge, there are many verses and hadeeth that one may not understand, one has to understand the context of the narration or also understanding the basic principles of the faith etc, ofcourse from suitable sources. The net isn't the place to do this, as you'll come across loads of interpretations which is very dangerous.

Also, I saw a thread of yours something about 'Iblis is Sanatana', if that is so, from what I recall reading you was asking for help or advice? and realising that it's 'satanic' yet you still choose to follow the faith, but perhaps i'm missing something here? And at the same time you want to follow the abrahamic faith..If you'd wanna follow the abrahamic faith, you'd realise most of the practices of Hindu's aren't part of the 'abrahamic' faith , anyway, Apologies but i'm confused..

However, I suggest you make sincere prayer and ask Allaah to guide you to the right path.

All the best!

When I said "Iblis is Sanatana Dharma" I was trying to say I feel I am being pushed into that path, as in Iblis is whispering in my ear. I do not find Sanatana Dharma Satanic.

 

[Aprender]

there might be easier religions but you would have to explain why they were easier.

They are easier to him because he doesn't have to change anything about himself in order to follow them. Trying to be a Muslim was too difficult for him and that's why the waswas won. He had to all of a sudden pray 5 times a day, might have had to change his name, had to go to a masjid to pray in congregation, had to get out of his house and interact with other people in the community after being a homebody for most of his life and he had to learn Arabic too to try and pray?! That was just too much.

The other religions are easier because they already fit with his perceptions of the world however wrong those might be. He wants to define his own rules based on his own thoughts and experiences of morality and those other religions are easier because they allow him to do that. They teach that he can't go wrong. He doesn't really have to change. It's easier to just stay who you are. Whenever people come across something that asks them to change a part of themselves for the better there will be resistance. This is why many people who chose to live certain lifestyles reject the Abrahamic religions as a whole because they don't allow them to do who they want to and be who they want to even if it's destructive to themselves and those around them.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

AsSalaamu Alaaykum,

we are not the people of 1400 years ago.

But certainly the Qur'aan was sent 1400 years ago, the teachings can be applied to all times.

but you started from scratch. you pick and choose who to follow. and amongst the growing sects you might find some views that appeal to you.

Does this not lead one to dis-unity? Isn't Unity the whole aim? If one were to do that, they'd be dividing upon themselves, and this is disliked. Sects was never the aim or goal, rather Unity.

Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects) , you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do.[Al Qur'aan 6:159]

And apologies, i've no intention to take thread of board. If so, feel free to delete my post.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

They are easier to him because he doesn't have to change anything about himself in order to follow them. Trying to be a Muslim was too difficult for him and that's why the waswas won. He had to all of a sudden pray 5 times a day, might have had to change his name, had to go to a masjid to pray in congregation, had to get out of his house and interact with other people in the community after being a homebody for most of his life and he had to learn Arabic too to try and pray?! That was just too much.

The other religions are easier because they already fit with his perceptions of the world however wrong those might be. He wants to define his own rules based on his own thoughts and experiences of morality and those other religions are easier because they allow him to do that. They teach that he can't go wrong. He doesn't really have to change. It's easier to just stay who you are. Whenever people come across something that asks them to change a part of themselves for the better there will be resistance. This is why many people who chose to live certain lifestyles reject the Abrahamic religions as a whole because they don't allow them to do who they want to and be who they want to even if it's destructive to themselves and those around them.

Ive had enough of your lies for thelast time sadly

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

When I said "Iblis is Sanatana Dharma" I was trying to say I feel I am being pushed into that path, as in Iblis is whispering in my ear. I do not find Sanatana Dharma Satanic.

But then what is the purpose of asking for help or advice?

I can see that your no longer a muslim, a hindu? Please correct me if I am wrong.

If so, Can you state how Islaam affected your life? What it is that has bothered you? Not that I should be asking this now , because it hasn't been long enough to come to a conclusion in my opinion, as Islaam doesn't come all in one go or a few days, it can take years, but regardless of years, one must have sincerety.

And how your new faith is affecting you? How it has changed your life for the better?

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

I do not blame the Quran I dont mean that in a negative way the best way to say it is "I do not agree with it"

Greetings

Having just read many of your posts just now I see clear inconsistencies in your posts. First you say you don't agree with Islam, then you say you do but you agree with Quran and not hadith. Then you say you don't agree with Quran, then you say you do. Then you say you agree with Quran but not its doctrine. Then you say it's not the Qur'an fault. Then you say the more you hear of the Qur'an the more you hate it, then you go back and come out with a contradictory statement. Then you say you don't like Islam then you say you do. This cycle keeps happening. Either you like the attention or you have split personality disorder.

There are two things you must do from now on:

1. When you make a statement like you don't agree with this or that in Islam then you state WHY and you give examples. You will not get away with any more empty statements you have already made far too many without explaining why.

2. You do not make a statement like the Prophet killed a puppy without backing it up with evidence. Back up your statements. You have already made far too many without providing evidence for it.

I hope you will take heed from now on in order for us to actually understand what issues you have because until now you have been far to inconsistent with the statements you have made which have mainly been very contradictory .