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Assalam.o.Alaikum,
With Due Respect, I Think We Must Talk About Similarities In Islam And Christianity. I Am Saying This Dr. Abdul Karim zakir Naik Always Talk About Similarities.
JazakaALLAH.

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Greetings and peace be with you Muhammad Yahya; welcome to the forum

With Due Respect, I Think We Must Talk About Similarities In Islam And Christianity.

I agree, the same God hears all our prayers, despite our differences.

In the spirit of praying to One God.

Eric
 
I agree, the same God hears all our prayers, despite our differences.
Peaceful greetings to you Eric H. Yes, we both believe in One God even though we have our significant difference in belief about Jesus. I am sometimes puzzled by how little it seems that Muhammad (saaws) had interacted with Christians as compared to Jews, but how often the Qur'an mentions the Christian belief about Jesus not being the Son of God or literally God Himself with the strongest condemnation even more so than the rampant idolatry of the Meccan Arabs. Do you have any insight into the obvious seriousness with which the Qur'an addresses the Christian faith?
 
Greetings and peace be with you MustafaMc my friend;

The Jews are God’s chosen people, God chooses people to be followers of Christ (Christians), and God also chooses people through Islam, but why would the same God apparently set up three conflicting religions? The same God has given each of us many of the same prophets, and the same God has also giving each of us some real conflicting scriptures.

If God first chose you through Christianity, then through Islam, then who am I that I should try and change you back to Christianity, if God has set you on your path. It seems that God has set us the task to strive to get on with each other despite all our differences. I am commanded to love my neighbours as I love myself, but If my neighbours are Muslim, Christian, Atheist and Hindu, then which of these are the neighbours that I should love?

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric
 
Greetings and peace be with you MustafaMc my friend;
Eric H, I am honored that you consider me as your friend amd I consider you as my friend.
The Jews are God’s chosen people, God chooses people to be followers of Christ (Christians), and God also chooses people through Islam, but why would the same God apparently set up three conflicting religions? The same God has given each of us many of the same prophets, and the same God has also giving each of us some real conflicting scriptures.
I consider that the Jews were (not are) chosen based on the righteousness of Abraham to have received the lion's share of prophets and revelations over time, but it remains to be seen how much of that promise will hold through on Judgement Day. I believe that God is just and fair to provide guidance to the Gentile as well as the Jew and that to be 'chosen' is not for a specific race, but for the individual - hence my name which means 'chosen'. Whether or not God chose Christianity for you and Islam for me or not yet remains to be seen, but I do believe that He willed it to be. Another perspective is that one of us has been misguided by Satan and that our respective scripture and religion is a corruption of truth.
If God first chose you through Christianity, then through Islam, then who am I that I should try and change you back to Christianity, if God has set you on your path. It seems that God has set us the task to strive to get on with each other despite all our differences. I am commanded to love my neighbours as I love myself, but If my neighbours are Muslim, Christian, Atheist and Hindu, then which of these are the neighbours that I should love?
On this I completely agree and it brings to mind an ayat Qur'an 49:13 O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that you may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware. I believe that guidance comes only from God and that it can't be imposed from outside because if it doesn't come from the heart, then what good is it? Having gone through a change of faith, I know this better than most. No one could have forced me to become a Muslim, nor could I even have willed it to be. That spark of faith almost 30 years ago caused an irreversible paradigm shift and I believe that it came from God. In a similar manner, I am certain that you have personal experiences that cause you to believe that your Christian faith comes from God. In the end, yes, we are both commanded to be kind and merciful to our neighbor along the lines of the Good Samaritan parable. I can vouch for you that you have been a role model for us all to follow. In this respect you remind me of my friend, Snakelegs, who I believe became a Muslim before her death. I will be honest with you and say that I wish you, too, will soon become a Muslim.
 
I believe that guidance comes only from God and that it can't be imposed from outside because if it doesn't come from the heart, then what good is it?

I agree with this brother Mustafa. One reason I was holding onto my Christian faith for so long, even after I had stopped believing in it after years of research, was through cultural traditions and fear of changes. So many of my family members had passed away before me following Christianity and for me it just didn't seem right to let go of that legacy. Even though I realized that for me, Christianity as it was taught in this day and age wasn't exactly quite right. I had faith. I knew I believed that there was only one God. I had experiences that led me to be sure of that that but just because I was following Christianity didn't mean I was worshiping that God in the way that He wanted to be worshiped. Reading my Bible really opened my eyes to what I was doing wrong. I had to find excuses for myself to just keep holding onto Christianity and then just hoping for the best in the hereafter because it just didn't seem right to change over. Especially with pressure from other Christian family members saying Satan was deceiving me and to just have faith. I had faith and it was telling me something was wrong...but I ignored it.

Until after a while it became too much to me, to try and force myself to follow and believe something that I knew had many problems. I got tired of forcing it on myself. Forcing myself to believe something I do not. And then I began my search into other religions.
 
Greetings Eric,

I remember you have used this reasoning many times before, that God chose you through Christianity and us through Islam etc, and I recall that brother Ramadhan (formerly Naidamar) explained to you on most of those occasions why that reasoning was wrong. Here are a few of them:

http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...tant-study-other-religions-2.html#post1479364
http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...tant-study-other-religions-2.html#post1479395
http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...tant-study-other-religions-3.html#post1479518
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/134308787-bible-word-god-2.html#post1464256
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/134308787-bible-word-god-2.html#post1464269
http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...ges-do-not-miss-slide-show-3.html#post1442447

The Jews are God’s chosen people

Were. But their repeated disobedience and rejection of the Prophets means they no longer are.

He has ordained for you the same religion that He enjoined upon Noah and that which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and that which We enjoined upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus - to establish the religion and not be divided therein. Difficult for those who associate others with Allah is that to which you invite them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back [to Him]. (Qur'an 42:13)

And from the last sermon delivered by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him):

All mankind is from Adam and Eve - an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.

God chooses people to be followers of Christ (Christians)

I must respectfully disagree.

God does not choose ways of error for anyone. That would be ascribing injustice to God, that He chooses a way for people and then condemns them for it. Believing that Jesus (peace be upon him) is the son of God has been described by Allah as a calumny and in the most strongest of terms in the Qur'an (19:88-93). God has given us free will to choose whatever path we wish, while making clear to us which is the right one. The path you choose is a conscious decision made by you, for we are given intelligence by God to observe, to think, to evaluate evidence, and to conclude. We believe in free will and predestination together, not one or the other.

Those whose inner hearts incline to the truth and seek it, Allah guides and helps them. Some accept Islam immediately, some continue on their quest for truth and accept it later, and some oppose it first then accept it later. Those who despite being presented with evidence, and given the message, decide not to embrace that truth, and Allah knows that they will not, then Allah keeps them as they are, astray. As such, Allah's guiding people or sending astray has been mentioned in the Qur'an many times. He knows who to guide and who not to, and ultimately guidance is in His hands.

The point that you make above reminds me of this verse:

Those who took partners (in worship) with Allah will say: "If Allah had willed, we would not have taken partners (in worship) with Him, nor would our fathers, and we would not have forbidden anything (against His Will)." So did those before them argue falsely, until they tasted of Our wrath. Say, "Do you have any knowledge that you can produce for us? You follow not except assumption, and you are not but falsifying." Say - For Allah's is the final argument - Had He willed He could indeed have guided all of you.(6:148-149)

The full version of towards understanding the Qur'an by S.A.Maududi has this explanatory footnote (adapted):

Their apology for their misdeeds or wrong beliefs would be that which has always been advanced by such people - an apology based on the assumption of absolute determinism. They would plead that when they associated others with God in His divinity, or unwarrantedly regarded certain things as prohibited, they did so because those acts had been willed for them by God. Had He not so willed, they would not have been able to do what they did. Hence, since they were doing everything according to the will of God, everything was proper. If anyone was to blame, it was God and not they. They were under compulsion to do what they did, for the ability to do otherwise lay beyond their power.

▲125. This provides a complete refutation of their apology. In order to appreciate it fully, careful analysis is required. In the first place they are told that citing God's will to justify one's errors and misdeeds, and making it a pretext for refusing to accept true guidance was the practice of the evil-doers before them. But they should remember that this had led to their ruin and they themselves were witnesses to the evil consequences of deviation from the Truth.
Furthermore, it is being clarified that the plea of the unbelievers that the only reason for their error was that God had not willed that they be guided to the Truth, is based on fancy and conjecture rather than on sound knowledge. They refer to God's will without understanding the relationship between God's will and man's action. They entertain the misconception that if a man commits theft under the will of God, that means that he will not be reckoned a criminal. For the fact is that whichever path a man chooses, be it that of gratitude or ungratitude to God of guidance or error, obedience or disobedience, God will open that path for him, and thereafter God will permit and enable him within the framework of His universal scheme, and to the extent that He deems fit - to do whatever he chooses to do whether it is right or wrong.
If their forefathers had been enabled by God's will to associate others with Him in His divinity and prohibit clean things, that did not mean that they were not answerable for their misdeeds. On the contrary, everyone will be held responsible for choosing false ways, for having a false intent, and for having striven for false ends.
The crucial point is succinctly made at the end in the words: 'Then say to- them, (As against your argument) Allah's is the conclusive argument. Surely, had He willed, He would have guided you all to the Truth.' The argument which they put forward, viz. 'If Allah had willed, neither we nor our forefathers could have associated others with Allah in His divinity', does not embody the whole truth. The whole truth is that 'had He willed, He would have guided you all to the Truth'. In other words, they were not prepared to take the Straight Way of their own choice and volition. As it was not God's intent to create them with inherent right guidance like the angels, they would be allowed to persist in the error they had chosen for themselves.

A similar verse has this footnote:

That is, your argument is not a new one but the same old one which had always been offered by erroneous people who went before you. Today you are, like them, excusing yourselves for your deviation and beliefs, saying that it is the will of God. You know that this is a lame excuse that has been invented to delude yourselves, and to escape from admonition.

but why would the same God apparently set up three conflicting religions?

He didn't. There was only ever one religion that every Prophet preached, and that was Islam. I'll re-quote here the verse I quoted above:

He has ordained for you the same religion that He enjoined upon Noah and that which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and that which We enjoined upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus - to establish the religion and not be divided therein. Difficult for those who associate others with Allah is that to which you invite them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back [to Him]. (42:13)

Allah says in the verse that He has ordained for us the same way; there were never any other ways apart from that. To submit to the command of God wholeheartedly, to worship Him and Him alone, without any associates in His Divinity, and to obey the Prophet. All the Prophets taught the same thing.

Not a messenger did We send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him: that there is no god but I; therefore worship and serve Me. (21:25)

And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW), as it was to those (Allah's Messengers) before you: "If you join others in worship with Allah, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers." (36:95)

And ask those We sent before you of Our messengers; have We made besides the Most Merciful deities to be worshipped?
(43:45)

Nothing is said to you, [O Muhammad], except what was already said to the messengers before you... (41:43, part)

We sent no messenger save that he should be obeyed by Allah's leave. (4:64, part)

None taught that he was divine or was son of God:

It is not for a human [prophet] that Allah should give him the Scripture and authority and prophethood and then he would say to the people, "Be worshippers of me apart from Allah ," (3:79, part)

And he commanded you not that you should take the angels and the prophets for lords. Would he command you to disbelieve after you had surrendered (to Allah)? (3:80)

If you look carefully at the name Islam, you'll find that it is not named after a specific person (like Christianity, Buddhism), nor after a certain race (like Judaism, Hinduism), but is named by God Himself, and the meaning loosely translates as 'submission to God', which is what every Prophet and their righteous followers did, from amongst all times, all races and all peoples. That in itself is one fraction of the evidence that it was the way of all the Prophets from the beginning. Islam is the same Ultimate Truth that God revealed to all prophets, including Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them all).

the same God has also giving each of us some real conflicting scriptures.

I disagree here too. The original scriptures sent down by God were not conflicting. How could they be, when the message is the same? In fact the Qur'an doesn't state that it conflicts with the earlier scriptures, but that it confirms the truth of what was in the original earlier scriptures sent by God, and that it comes clearing misconceptions and wrong beliefs that had been introduced and written by man in the earlier books. The core belief and creed, that we should submit wholeheartedly to the command of God, worhip Him and Him alone without any associates in His Divinity, and that we should obey the Prophet, have always been the same, while small ancillary rules may have differed.

It seems that God has set us the task to strive to get on with each other despite all our differences.

Our task is also to share with you what we know to be the truth. We pray that one day you will accept it.

Peace.
 
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So many of my family members had passed away before me following Christianity and for me it just didn't seem right to let go of that legacy.
Assalamu alaikum, sister. My brother said something similar to me when I talked to him about Islam.
 
Some accept Islam immediately, some continue on their quest for truth and accept it later, and some oppose it first then accept it later.
When I was a senior in college, during Christmas break I read portions of the Qur'an about Jesus, Mary, and other people I knew from the Bible and at first I disbelieved because it said Jesus was not the Son of God. I kept reading anyway and then it was like a light bulb suddenly coming on when I saw that the Qur'an made more sense than what I believed as a Christian. Do you find it strange for someone to become a Muslim after reading only a few ayat of the Qur'an?
 
Greetings and peace be with you Insaanah;

I pray that we might all have eternal salvation, despite all our differences.

In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God

Eric
 
Do you find it strange for someone to become a Muslim after reading only a few ayat of the Qur'an?
I have heard all kinds of odd conversion stories. One in particular that touched me was of an Egyptian captain we knew personally, he managed to convert the ambassador of Spain with a couple of verses on constellations and ended up marrying his daughter.. unfortunately she passed away a couple of years ago. Allah yer7mha. Her father converted first though and she a few years after..
 
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I have heard all kinds of odd conversion stories.
Assalamu alaikum, sister. Perhaps I have written before about how I came across a Qur'an and a desire to read it. If so, then here it is again.

In January 1981 I was a senior in college and had a double-bed dormitory room without a room mate. One day I had a knock on my door and this guy told me that he was from Iran and that no one would accept him as his room mate. He asked if he could be my room mate and I said, "Yes". Some people here may be too young to remember, but this was during the time when Iran was holding some Americans from the embassy hostage. To reflect the level of animosity against Iran, I heard more than once, "Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark." Shortly after this the hostages were released and the animosity on campus toward Iran eased. He was my room mate that spring and again in the fall. We would occassionally discuss religion, but in no great detail. Then that Christmas break I took his Qur'an home to see more about what he believed.

I have often wondered if my positive answer to his question was why Allah (swt) opened my heart to Islam.
 
Assalamu alaikum, sister. My brother said something similar to me when I talked to him about Islam.

Yeah. But I wondered. Why is it that no one in my family bothered to look into Christianity to see if it even made sense to begin with? Why pass off this religion to your children without having investigated it first to make sure it made sense and was right? It's a serious thing. I know some atheists who even allow their children to learn about the different religions. Parents check out schools & babysitters before they send their children to them so why not look into the religion too for those who have faith and believe in a Creator?

But to choose a religion just because all of your family members before you died in it when you knew something else out there was right, to me that suggests that you love those family members more than you care about obeying the Creator...
 
I pray that we might all have eternal salvation, despite all our differences.
That is my prayer too, Eric. God bless you for your ongoing and enduring interfaith efforts. :)
 
With Due Respect, I Think We Must Talk About Similarities In Islam And Christianity.
I agree.
If we truly follow our teachings on serving God by worshipping Him; by caring for his creation; by being kind and charitable towards our neighbours; by caring for those in need, then we can make this world an infinitely better place!

4 billion people across this world claim to be Muslims or Christians. If we all obeyed God's commandments, what a difference we could make!

However, it seems that many of us spend most of our energy and resources on fighting each other and disagreeing on our differences. What a waste!

Why not leave the last judgement to our creator and - in the meantime - do the right thing for each other by showing each other respect, love and care?
 
Greetings and peace be with you Insaanah;

I pray that we might all have eternal salvation, despite all our differences.

In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God

Eric

Greetings Eric,

I pray that you will open your heart to the truth, and reflect on the messages you've had over the years, reflect on how Allah guided you to the forum, and enabled you to be of those fortunate enough to receive His message, on different occasions, in different ways, and from different people, and reflect on the fact there cannot be lots of opposing and contradictory truths that lead to the path of salvation, from a Just and Merciful and Wise God.

O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood...? (3:71, part)

Allah is the Truth:

That is because Allah is the Truth, and that which they call upon other than Him is falsehood, and because Allah is the Most High, the Grand. (22:62)

And there is only One God:

And your god is one God. There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. (2:163)

Allah is the truth and there is only one God, so only one truth.

No doubt, salvation is only through Gods Mercy, but we must also strive, in our beliefs and in our actions. It's not enough to pray that God grants salvation to everyone despite our differences, but then not to do anything about it, and not be prepared to make the change. As sister Aprender said, it is a big change, but it is something you have to do for yourself. When we go into our graves, nobody is going to come with us, and we will be entirely responsible and answerable for ourselves.

Even Muslims, we cannot just say "We believe" and then just pray for salvation without striving and doing deeds. Then how much more so for those who are not yet Muslim, but pray to achieve salvation, yet are wanting to keep on the familiar road they are on, and not wanting to or do not feel able to, make the change? The change to the way of all the people mentioned below, who will be familiar:

And We gave to him [him = Abraham], Isaac and Jacob - all of them We guided. And Noah, We guided before; and among his descendants, David and Solomon and Job and Joseph and Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward the doers of good.
And Zachariah and John and Jesus and Elias - all were of the righteous.
And Ishmael and Elisha and Jonah and Lot - and all of them We preferred over the worlds.
And some among their fathers and their descendants and their brothers - and We chose them and We guided them to a straight path.
That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whomever He wills of His servants. But if they had associated others with Allah, then worthless for them would be all that they did.
Those are the ones to whom We gave the Scripture and authority and prophethood. But if the disbelievers deny it, then We have entrusted it to a people who are not therein disbelievers.
Those are the ones whom Allah has guided, so from their guidance take an example. Say, "I ask of you for this message no payment. It is not but a reminder for the worlds."
(6:84-90)

And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.
I said not to them except what You commanded me - "Worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord". And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness.
(5:116-117)

Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to common terms as between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him). (3:64)

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. (4: 171)

O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger to make clear to you [the religion] after a period [of suspension] of messengers, lest you say, "There came not to us any bringer of good tidings or a warner." But there has come to you a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And Allah is over all things competent. (5:19)

This is a clear message for mankind in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is only One God, and that men of understanding may take heed. (14:52)

Remember the door of repentance is always open before death, but the sooner it is done, the better, as how does anyone know when death will come? By your own admission, you're not the spring bunny you once were. Time for some serious thought, I think.

I think many of us here would love to welcome you into the ummah one day, but this is not for us, but for yourself.

When I was a senior in college, during Christmas break I read portions of the Qur'an about Jesus, Mary, and other people I knew from the Bible and at first I disbelieved because it said Jesus was not the Son of God. I kept reading anyway and then it was like a light bulb suddenly coming on when I saw that the Qur'an made more sense than what I believed as a Christian. Do you find it strange for someone to become a Muslim after reading only a few ayat of the Qur'an?

Perhaps not strange, but awe-inspiring, amazing, miraculous, and humbling. While Allah even says many times that guides whom He wishes, if you think how many people oppose Islam, and present their "rational" arguments against it, when a person embraces Islam, it is to me as Allah says He will give life to the dead, and how He makes the pasture grow after being whithered and dry, and if you add the fact that as humans we have the capacity to rebel and reject, yet still the truth was accepted after reading a few ayaat. I'm not sure exactly how one puts that in words...
 
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Greetings.

4 billion people across this world claim to be Muslims or Christians. If we all obeyed God's commandments, what a difference we could make!

Indeed. The first of those is to not ascribe divinity to any other being than God, not to Jesus or anybody else, nor to ascribe any sons or daughters or other relatives to Him, and to worship Him and Him alone.

However, it seems that many of us spend most of our energy and resources on fighting each other and disagreeing on our differences. What a waste!

Glad no such fighting is going on here. I don't see many people fighting and disagreeing on religious differences, I see quite the opposite, be it on the forum or in the world. Most fighting in the world has other causes, such as wanting to impose your own system of government on other countries halfway round the world, even if by force, wanting to take over land, wanting to take over natural resources, wanting to cleanse unwanted people from your lands etc.

Also, please note that we cannot as Muslims, and will not, say, you're ok, we're ok, it's all good. That's not the case. We've discussed this before, very recently, here: http://www.islamicboard.com/general...artakes-holy-month-ramadan-2.html#post1537249. Our duty is to share what we know to be the truth.

Why not leave the last judgement to our creator and - in the meantime - do the right thing for each other by showing each other respect, love and care?

The last judgement is Gods, and no human here can ever make the last judgement, nor has anyone said they are. That is impossible for any human. We can however, and should, share the implications of associating others in God's divinity which Allah has expounded to us in the Qur'an.

Sharing the message does not mean that one is not showing respect love and care, but that our concern is not just of this world, and that we want the best for people not only in this world, but also in the hereafter. We care about what happens to them even after they die. There can be no greater care for humanity than that.

We will keep on sharing the message glo, please be under no illusion about that, and also please note carefully that it does not mean that we're not showing you respect and care, but quite the opposite.

Peace.
 
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Greetings,

Also, please note that we cannot as Muslims, and will not, say, you're ok, we're ok, it's all good. That's not the case. We've discussed this before, very recently, here: http://www.islamicboard.com/general...artakes-holy-month-ramadan-2.html#post1537249. Our duty is to share what we know to be the truth.
To add to what sister Insaanah has said, one must be frank and honest regarding the truth. We cannot hide or water down the message, otherwise we are doing a disservice to everyone concerned. When we read the Qur'an, we find this to be its approach:


[All] praise is [due] to Allah , who has sent down upon His Servant the Book and has not made therein any deviance.

[He has made it] straight, to warn of severe punishment from Him and to give good tidings to the believers who do righteous deeds that they will have a good reward

In which they will remain forever

And to warn those who say, " Allah has taken a son."

They have no knowledge of it, nor had their fathers. Grave is the word that comes out of their mouths; they speak not except a lie.

Then perhaps you would kill yourself through grief over them, [O Muhammad], if they do not believe in this message, [and] out of sorrow.

[Al-Kahf: 1-6]​
 
I just took the quiz - wow! urge everyone to take a quiz in the OP's post especially Muslims.

:w:
 

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