Question to Nicola and other Christians

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Nicola said:
expensive....lol though I do like the ziggers....

but I mainly use the local take away...;D southern fried chicken.....

whats it like in the USA
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This is seriously off topic ... but yeh, the nice local take away which fries it's chicken wings in pure lard. Does anyone have a Dixy Chicken nearby? £3 for 12 chicken wings and £3 for two chicken burgers and two chips. That means you and a friend can get 6 chicken wings, a burger and chips for £3!!! Seriously, this is madness. Why sell such unhealthy but mouth-wateringly tasty food for so cheap! How am I meant to resist?
 
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From the Bible to fast food?! Perhaps that means this thread has run its course...
 
azim said:
Does anyone have a Dixy Chicken nearby? £3 for 12 chicken wings and £3 for two chicken burgers and two chips. That means you and a friend can get 6 chicken wings, a burger and chips for £3!!! Seriously, this is madness. Why sell such unhealthy but mouth-wateringly tasty food for so cheap! How am I meant to resist?
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yessssssssssss I have the chicken wings..
I didn't realise they where done in lard though..yuk
are you sure it's lard...because lard to me is pigs fat.
 
Originally Posted by azim
My argument is the argument given in the Quran: -

"They say: "Become Jews or Christians if you seek guidance". Respond to them: "No, I would rather the religion of Abraham, the truthful, and he was not of those who associated partners with Allah!" Say: "We believe in Allah and the revelation given to us and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus and that given to all the Prophets by their Lord. We make no difference between one and another of them and we bow to Allah submissivley".



czgibson said:
Greetings,


Sorry for going off-topic, but I'm confused by this verse and I hope someone can help me. Is the idea that Muslims should respond to proselytiseing Jews and Christians by saying they would rather commit shirk, the most serious sin in Islam, than follow those faiths?

Peace
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The true message was not shirk. That which was revealed to Abraham and the rest of the Prophets (Peace be upon them) was and is still true. It is only later people turned from the True message.
 
I think a similar quiz on Islamic texts could be created, where between abrogated verses of the Qur'an, and contradictory interpretations of Prophetic traditions and Qur'anic verses, there would be no right answer between two options. Religious traditions are complex and nuanced. There may be one "right" answer, or one hundred right answers. If it brings you closer to God, it's right enough for me.
 
NJUSA said:
I think a similar quiz on Islamic texts could be created, where between abrogated verses of the Qur'an, and contradictory interpretations of Prophetic traditions and Qur'anic verses, there would be no right answer between two options. Religious traditions are complex and nuanced. There may be one "right" answer, or one hundred right answers. If it brings you closer to God, it's right enough for me.
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I don't think one could be created regarding abrogated verses to be honest.
 
NJUSA said:
I think a similar quiz on Islamic texts could be created, where between abrogated verses of the Qur'an, and contradictory interpretations of Prophetic traditions and Qur'anic verses, there would be no right answer between two options. Religious traditions are complex and nuanced. There may be one "right" answer, or one hundred right answers. If it brings you closer to God, it's right enough for me.
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There have been many alleged contradictions, but all of them have been refuted easily:
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttal/alleged_contradictions

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I did not say that there were contradictions in any sacred text; what I said was what could appear to be contradictions could be drawn from any sacred text. Sacred texts cover a broad spectrum of topics, and often unfold against a considerable historical backdrop. Different issues may be approached from more than one perspective, and the transformations that the religious community underwent show in the text, giving rise to a highly nuanced document, and the accusations of contradictions emerge when those unaware of or unwilling to respect the subtleties of sacred texts seek either clarification, or more likely in the case of these ex-Christians, to throw us a red herring.
 
NJUSA said:
Different issues may be approached from more than one perspective, and the transformations that the religious community underwent show in the text, giving rise to a highly nuanced document, and the accusations of contradictions emerge when those unaware of or unwilling to respect the subtleties of sacred texts seek either clarification, or more likely in the case of these ex-Christians, to throw us a red herring.
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Not necessarily the case. What Christians call 'copyist errors' are not denied by anyone, but rather explained to be the mistakes of scribes. While some legal rulings in these scriptures, need to be examined in detail for the correct interpretation this does not negate simple logical contradictions. Many of the previous posters in this thread have not denied contradictions in some details, but they have explained them to be insignificant when it comes to religious practice.
 
There have been many alleged contradictions, but all of them have been refuted easily:
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I think the key word here is "many" and of course your statement applies to the Bible equally. Firstly, the current thread which discusses what was claimed as a "miracle" is not entirely endorsed by muslims:

http://www.islamicboard.com/health-science/17500-seven-skies.html

Secondly, did anyone notice how quickly this question dropped of the forum without an "easy refute":

Assalaamu aleykum.

Some kuffar claims that this Hadith contradicts modern DNA and genetics studies. I'll insha'Allaah paste the whole Hadith here, and make the statement of concern in bold.

Narrated Anas:

When 'Abdullah bin Salam heard the arrival of the Prophet at Medina, he came to him and said, "I am going to ask you about three things which nobody knows except a prophet: What is the first portent of the Hour? What will be the first meal taken by the people of Paradise? Why does a child resemble its father, and why does it resemble its maternal uncle" Allah's Apostle said, "Gabriel has just now told me of their answers." 'Abdullah said, "He (i.e. Gabriel), from amongst all the angels, is the enemy of the Jews." Allah's Apostle said, "The first portent of the Hour will be a fire that will bring together the people from the east to the west; the first meal of the people of Paradise will be Extra-lobe (caudate lobe) of fish-liver. As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her." On that 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "I testify that you are the Apostle of Allah." 'Abdullah bin Salam further said, "O Allah's Apostle! The Jews are liars, and if they should come to know about my conversion to Islam before you ask them (about me), they would tell a lie about me." The Jews came to Allah's Apostle and 'Abdullah went inside the house. Allah's Apostle asked (the Jews), "What kind of man is 'Abdullah bin Salam amongst you?" They replied, "He is the most learned person amongst us, and the best amongst us, and the son of the best amongst us." Allah's Apostle said, "What do you think if he embraces Islam (will you do as he does)?" The Jews said, "May Allah save him from it." Then 'Abdullah bin Salam came out in front of them saying, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah." Thereupon they said, "He is the evilest among us, and the son of the evilest amongst us," and continued talking badly of him." - Sahih al-Bukhaari

Please give some explanation of this insha'Allaah. Jazakum Allaah khayr.
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Alas, it appears the call for help fell onto deaf ears
 
root said:
I think the key word here is "many" and of course your statement applies to the Bible equally. Firstly, the current thread which discusses what was claimed as a "miracle" is not entirely endorsed by muslims:

http://www.islamicboard.com/health-science/17500-seven-skies.html
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Not related to alleged contradictions.

Secondly, did anyone notice how quickly this question dropped of the forum without an "easy refute":

Alas, it appears the call for help fell onto deaf ears
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First of all, and most importantly, this is not related to alleged contradictions in the Qur'an - this is hadith. Secondly,I couldn't find the thread you took this from, and it often happens that I miss a thread. That's doesn't mean there are no answers for it, as you should know well since you asked me the same question and I responded to it in this thread:
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/3924-scientific-facts-quran-embryology.html

Regards
 
Moss said:
it shows how the bible can't be the word of god, or inspired by god, as it contains numerous contradictions as shown in the quiz. feel free to refute them. I just came accross it as interesting, Br. azim showed it to me, it's interesting to see if any of our Christian friends here can answer these mistakes
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In was a witness to a criminal smashing the window of a jewlery shop. The crimnals had a car and I memorised the number plate.

I waited about 10 mins till the police arrived and reported the number. Another witness reported a different number.


czgibson said:
Thanks for clearing that one up, Ansar. Don't worry, Azim, we all make mistakes - remember to say thanks to Ansar!

Peace
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We are humans and make mistakes. Different humans wrote the different Gospels and had different memories of the facts.

The Christain belief is that Christ died. And that he rose from the dead. Tell me whether all the Gospels say this or whether they deviate on this point.

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Joe98 said:
In was a witness to a criminal smashing the window of a jewlery shop. The crimnals had a car and I memorised the number plate.

I waited about 10 mins till the police arrived and reported the number. Another witness reported a different number.

We are humans and make mistakes. Different humans wrote the different Gospels and had different memories of the facts.

The Christain belief is that Christ died. And that he rose from the dead. Tell me whether all the Gospels say this or whether they deviate on this point.

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You're kinda missing the point dude.
 
bump.. interesting thread..
always good to go through the archives :)
root said:
If you missed the thread then here it is.
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And your point being?

glo said:
For me that neither means it is not God's word through the mouths of man, nor that the Gospel is not trustworthy
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:lol: what other conclusion can there be?
best,
 
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