Attention those with religion "other"

[Traditio]

Why do you personally think that faithful Islam and faithful Christian cannot unify for the common good. Do they not both worship the same all encompassing God. I find Christians have been even more difficult than Islamic. Why must we dispute over the same beliefs when the books, lessons, names, places, and God is the same?

Nonetheless, I do not disagree with this point: the fact that Muslims do not believe in Jesus does not, in and of itself, preclude our mutual cooperation. Muslims, you believe in the One God, just as we do. Pray for us, and we in turn, should pray for you. Pray that the One God should have mercy on us, have pity on us, and show us the truth. Pray for peace, and that all might love the One God, and that they might love their neighbors as themselves.

Prayers are never wasted. God alone knows the heart. Weep in the presence of God, pour out your petitions in God's sight, and He won't ignore you. Muslim Christian or Jew, pray. You won't be ignored. Pray for the salvation of souls, and pray that people may know the truth and live holy lives, and I know, you will not be dissapointed. Pray. Hope. And don't worry. This is the truth expressed by St. Padre Pio.

 

[umairlooms]

my girlfriend is a non muslim and I would probably describe her as being from the liberal breed of Europeans who have a spiritual side but cannot and do not want to conform to any organized religion. I myself call this is the European allergy to Religion and trace it back to the horrible role of the Church in Europe, especially Catholic Church as well as to the age of enlightenment in Europe which has made people believe they control their destiny themselves.
As someone who loves a non muslim, its not a good thought and though i used to be worried, I have now become numb

We can only warn, it is only Allah who shows the right path

 

[OmAbdullah]

my girlfriend is a non muslim and I would probably describe her as being from the liberal breed of Europeans who have a spiritual side but cannot and do not want to conform to any organized religion. I myself call this is the European allergy to Religion and trace it back to the horrible role of the Church in Europe, especially Catholic Church as well as to the age of enlightenment in Europe which has made people believe they control their destiny themselves.
As someone who loves a non muslim, its not a good thought and though i used to be worried, I have now become numb

We can only warn, it is only Allah who shows the right path

May Allah guide you, aameen!!!


Being a Muslim you have a girl friend???

This way is far from Islam!!!

 

[Pygoscelis]

Muslims come in many varieties, nbegam. I dated a Muslim woman for a couple of years, whilst I was not just not Muslim myself, but an atheist *gasp*. There were some issues with distant relatives who didn't approve, but she and her close relatives were liberal Muslims, which do exist. You may call them not Muslims at all, or laxed ones, but who is really to say. You find the same within most religions. Groups and subgroups and subgroups etc.

Honestly I previously dated a deaf girl (decades ago), and I got more flak from the deaf community (because I am not deaf) than I ever got from the Muslim community here in Canada.

 

[umairlooms]

May Allah guide you, aameen!!!


Being a Muslim you have a girl friend???

This way is far from Islam!!!

you are right

 

[OmAbdullah]

Muslims come in many varieties, nbegam. I dated a Muslim woman for a couple of years, whilst I was not just not Muslim myself, but an atheist *gasp*. There were some issues with distant relatives who didn't approve, but she and her close relatives were liberal Muslims, which do exist. You may call them not Muslims at all, or laxed ones, but who is really to say. You find the same within most religions. Groups and subgroups and subgroups etc.

Honestly I previously dated a deaf girl (decades ago), and I got more flak from the deaf community (because I am not deaf) than I ever got from the Muslim community here in Canada.

A Muslim may be like an empty box with a label "Muslim" on it. But in real sense, a Muslim is defined as the one who submits his/her will to the will of Allah. Then he/she follows the Holy Quraan in accordance with the Final Prophet Muhammad (salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam).

Again, this is not only a light matter, rather a true Muslim knows and believes that we all (mankind) are accountable in the life after death, and the reward and Punishment from Allah Almighty God shall be UNIQUE AND LASTING. Therefore a true Muslim takes the religion very seriously for his/her own benefit.

I am shocked to read that a Muslim woman was your girl friend. In fact I have heard of some Muslim boys having girl friends but never heard of a Muslim girl/woman having a boy friend.

May Allah guide our nation to the straight path of Islam. Surely, Hell is a very bad place to go to, therefore, I sincerely advise every human being to protect himself/herself from Allah's Anger here and in the Hereafter

 

[Zafran]

I don't find it credible that Islam can be said to be a religion of peace, Bhuddism for instance is, its history is overwhelmingly peacefull. When it has been corrupted for violent means it is obvious that this had no backing anywhere in any way . But Islam never has been peacefull, and today thousands of lives are lost by those claiming Islam as the motive to kill others. Unfortunately Islam has to take responsibility for this. The one fact that apostates are to be murdered is proof in itself.

I have studied Budhism and there is nothing in any mainstream text or practice that involves or seeks violence to anyone or anything. While in Islam brutality, slavery, and war are everywhere.

Please explain ?

That is not true Buddhism has had a history of violence - Look at Thailand, Japan, Mynmer, India and sri Lanka. Violence is backed by Buddhist monks historically and in modern history. its not a monolithic religion.

Islam is a religion of peace and war. Like any other religion it has rules for peace and what to do in times of war. Furthermore apostasy laws were like Laws of treason as empire and religion were together - similar to Christian and Jewish empires. If one leaves Islam then its their loss. God decides about them in the hereafter.

 

[OmAbdullah]

Yes I did say there has been violence in Buddhism, but there is nothing in any way that justifies it in the texts. Plus the scale is Lilliputian in comparison. When you compare apostacy with treason it doesn't fit, the apostate has done nothing to harm anyone, only stopped belief in something he was forced to believe under pain of death. That is not a freely held belief it has been indoctrinated from day one, and backed by fear of death. You can make anyone believe anything under those conditions.

1. Islam is not a man-made religion, all of its laws and commands are sent down by the same ONE, UNIQUE GOD Who had created Jesus without father and had made him a Prophet to guide the children of Isra'il. So we and all mankind including you have to follow the Laws of God Allah, If you don't believe and/or follow then you are surely choosing burning in Hell for ever and this is injustice with yourself.

2. Islam is a monotheistic religion. Buddhism has no comparison with Islam.

3. A Christian priest when accepted Islam, had to run in secret, to Saudi Arabia because the Christians were after him to kill him!!! Why????

A nun gave him refuge in some hidden place. Then she asked him why did he become Muslim? He pointed towards the cross that she was wearing as necklace and asked her, "If some one kills your father with pistol, then will you hate the pistol or love it?" She said that she would hate it. So she understood the stupidity of the conjecture that Satan has made to Christians. She also became Muslima and ran with him to take refuge in Saudi Arabia. They married together and Allah gave them children but they were always in fear from the Christians.


Today it is not the Muslims who are killing. This is a manifest lie and any just person will not say such words. Rather it is the Muslims who are killed every where only because of the faith of Islam. You must open your eyes and say what is true.

 

[Abz2000]

Is it possible that maybe American law (atheism?) is the only religion of peace on the planet? Or maybe that of their predecessors the British law, or maybe their predecessors that of the Romans (paganism/secularism/christianity?) Or maybe the atheism of athens (people worship/untethered democracy)
Islam is a global "religion" of justice and right conduct enjoined upon all of mankind by the Creator of the heavens and the earth.

 

[keiv]

I don't find it credible that Islam can be said to be a religion of peace, Bhuddism for instance is, its history is overwhelmingly peacefull. When it has been corrupted for violent means it is obvious that this had no backing anywhere in any way . But Islam never has been peacefull, and today thousands of lives are lost by those claiming Islam as the motive to kill others. Unfortunately Islam has to take responsibility for this. The one fact that apostates are to be murdered is proof in itself.

I have studied Budhism and there is nothing in any mainstream text or practice that involves or seeks violence to anyone or anything. While in Islam brutality, slavery, and war are everywhere.

Please explain ?

You are the one making the claim that "brutality, slavery and war are everywhere" in Islam so, why don't YOU explain what you mean? I guarantee all of what you have to say will be regurgitated material that's been spouted here over the years and I guarantee you won't accept any of the answers that were/are given. Please, explain to us your so called knowledge on the matter of violence in Islam.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Is it possible that maybe American law (atheism?) is the only religion of peace on the planet? Or maybe that of their predecessors the British law, or maybe their predecessors that of the Romans (paganism/secularism/christianity?) Or maybe the atheism of athens (people worship/untethered democracy)
Islam is a global "religion" of justice and right conduct enjoined upon all of mankind by the Creator of the heavens and the earth.

Based on Tue observable level of hatred and spite of many many atheists, and the fact that t isn't a religion, I would say no, it isn't possible at all. I would go further and say the "enlightenment" was more of the downfall of man.

Peace

 

[Abz2000]

Based on Tue observable level of hatred and spite of many many atheists, and the fact that t isn't a religion, I would say no, it isn't possible at all. I would go further and say the "enlightenment" was more of the downfall of man.

Peace

Separating concepts based upon labels wouldn't clarify much in such a comparison, it is much clearer and easier to evaluate when one uses "way of life" since the term "re.-legion" has certain stereotypical and prejudiced connotations attached to it despite the early usage having been utilized to refer to affairs of the society/community/legion.
bearing in mind that there was no separation in judean law until the occupation of the holy land by pagan rome, and even then, it was basically combined again in rome after much mixing and muddying - especually after nicea. This can be seen clearly in the fact that since the conquest of britain, the names of important political positions still contain "re-ligious" references such as "minister", the national anthem, the battle hymn of the republic in america, and various other references, there was never a clear separation, just a gradual morphing of "way of life".

Even vatican city is understood to be a country with it's own laws - despite it being the smallest on the planet, since they appeared to have some issues in separating between what was for ceasar and what was for God, the vatican ended up with a "country" spanning a vast .44 sq km to do "God's will on earth as it isn't in heaven" and the mafia at p2 lodge (who interestingly also refer to themseves as members of the order of black friars currently hold the remaing "crumbs under the table" which is italy. Refer to lateran treaty if interested. https://apps.cndls.georgetown.edu/projects/borders/items/show/484
Even the vatican "country" has armed guards and soldiery (swiss guard).

Order of skull & bones - bush father and son, order of deMolay - clinton with all their occult pagan rituals also trace back to the templars so it is difficult to claim that there is a separation despite all the muddying, it all becomes easy to understand when "way of life" is used to research the situation objectively and without confusing compartmentalization, bait 'n' switch, spin, and semantics.

 

[Search]

:bism:

There are many reasons for this: Buddhists are 6% of the global population, and Muslims are in comparison 18%, or as I read 22% of the global population in another article. Plus, the Middle East has been a hot spot for a reason, and the reason is Western interference in the politics of ME nations for reasons that you yourself can Google and you'll be met with variety of explanations and depending on whom you believe you'll form your own conclusions; and if you even have a cursory knowledge of geopolitics and history, you'll understand the same (a) kind and (b) level of interference hasn't been extant with countries of substantial or even majority Buddhist populations in comparison to Muslim majority countries.

Therefore, you have the numbers and personal reading askew with Muslims seemingly more violent than Buddhist populations. Furthermore, if you study the religions independently with learned human beings, you'll find that both religions at the heart of the matter invite and advocate for peace; so, if that is the case, you'd have to conclude that the problem, as you may have guessed, stems from human beings themselves. I have my own theories about why human beings act in a violent manner in any religion or no religion, and I believe that has to a person's predisposition to acting out the violence rather than any religion or no religion's independent stance and advocacy of violence.

Plus the scale is Lilliputian in comparison.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I don't find it credible that Islam can be said to be a religion of peace, Bhuddism for instance is, its history is overwhelmingly peacefull.

Sorry, but Bhuddhism is not historically overwhelmingly peaceful. Maybe you are thinking of Jainism?

1. Islam is not a man-made religion, all of its laws and commands are sent down by the same ONE, UNIQUE GOD Who had created Jesus without father and had made him a Prophet to guide the children of Isra'il.

So you say and believe. Not all of us do.

So we and all mankind including you have to follow the Laws of God Allah, If you don't believe and/or follow then you are surely choosing burning in Hell for ever and this is injustice with yourself.

If you don't believe somebody exists, you can't follow or obey them, or choose against them. Nor can you make yourself believe to be true what you see as imaginary. Try it and let me know if you can do it. Pick any imaginary being from fiction or mythology, and make yourself believe it is real. Can you do it? No? Me neither. Now imagine if people who do believe it demand you change your life and follow rules they say are from this imaginary being. How would you address such people? Now imagine they tell you that if you don't obey what they tell you this imaginary being wants, you deserve to be tortured in hellfire forever.

Is it possible that maybe American law (atheism?) is the only religion of peace on the planet?

America is a country with God on the money, a church on every corner, and atheists demonized as the least liked religious category, even lower than Muslims (who take second lowest). Atheism is not America. Maybe you were thinking of Sweden or Denmark or New Zealand? And of course, as you know, atheism isn't a religion anyway, and people can find plenty of reasons to be hateful and violent aside from any religious influence, so atheism isn't peace.

Based on Tue observable level of hatred and spite of many many atheists, and the fact that t isn't a religion, I would say no, it isn't possible at all. I would go further and say the "enlightenment" was more of the downfall of man.

Peace

Sad that you can't legally hunt down the heathen infidels and burn them at the stake anymore? In the old days European Christians would "crusade" against the Muslim folks here and wish them dead merely for being Muslim and not worshiping as they did. Many of modern Christians also have that mindset, but thankfully, not as many as then. Modern day Muslims at their most violent in the middle east today don't compare to what the Christians in Europe once were when it comes to religious violence. Imagine Daesh, only Christian and everywhere and running world governments. That is what you long to go back to?

At least in the case of the violent Muslims in the middle east (note how most Muslims elsewhere are NOT in any way violent), they have some legitimate reasons to be upset and actual facts to twist into their anti-western and anti-kafir hate propaganda machine. Powerful western empires that constantly paint them as "axis of evil", etc, have carved up their lands and stolen their resources. What excuse did the medieval Christians have?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Sorry, but Bhuddhism is not historically overwhelmingly peaceful. Maybe you are thinking of Jainism?



So you say and believe. Not all of us do.



If you don't believe somebody exists, you can't follow or obey them, or choose against them. Nor can you make yourself believe to be true what you see as imaginary. Try it and let me know if you can do it. Pick any imaginary being from fiction or mythology, and make yourself believe it is real. Can you do it? No? Me neither. Now imagine if people who do believe it demand you change your life and follow rules they say are from this imaginary being. How would you address such people? Now imagine they tell you that if you don't obey what they tell you this imaginary being wants, you deserve to be tortured in hellfire forever.



America is a country with God on the money, a church on every corner, and atheists demonized as the least liked religious category, even lower than Muslims (who take second lowest). Atheism is not America. Maybe you were thinking of Sweden or Denmark or New Zealand? And of course, as you know, atheism isn't a religion anyway, and people can find plenty of reasons to be hateful and violent aside from any religious influence, so atheism isn't peace.



Sad that you can't legally hunt down the heathen infidels and burn them at the stake anymore? In the old days European Christians would "crusade" against the Muslim folks here and wish them dead merely for being Muslim and not worshiping as they did. Many of modern Christians also have that mindset, but thankfully, not as many as then. Modern day Muslims at their most violent in the middle east today don't compare to what the Christians in Europe once were when it comes to religious violence. Imagine Daesh, only Christian and everywhere and running world governments. That is what you long to go back to?

At least in the case of the violent Muslims in the middle east (note how most Muslims elsewhere are NOT in any way violent), they have some legitimate reasons to be upset and actual facts to twist into their anti-western and anti-kafir hate propaganda machine. Powerful western empires that constantly paint them as "axis of evil", etc, have carved up their lands and stolen their resources. What excuse did the medieval Christians have?

You lost me.

Who said anything about advocating violence on any level? Surely it was not me.

The crusades? Spanish inquisition, holocaust?

All the work of greed and pride and hunger for power, all of which are spoken against expressly in scripture and the Qur'an.

Please try not to conflate the acts of man with the will of GOD.

Peace

 

[Pygoscelis]

You lost me.

Who said anything about advocating violence on any level? Surely it was not me.

The crusades? Spanish inquisition, holocaust?

All the work of greed and pride and hunger for power, all of which are spoken against expressly in scripture and the Qur'an.

Please try not to conflate the acts of man with the will of GOD.

Peace

Peace. I recognize that you have not advocated violence in this thread (or ever as far as I am aware). I ask you to consider though that waxing nostalgic about pre-enlightenment Christian Europe in regard to atheists is similar to waxing nostalgic about colonial America in regard to the native american "savages". The actions you speak of may not have sound footing in the Bible the way you read it, but others who called themselves Christians, who carried out these acts disagreed, and harkening back to that age may not be smiled on, especially by the atheists you reference (who were burned at the stake as heretics at that time). If you find some atheists today to be overly upset and aggressive regarding religion, I submit to you that there is a centuries long historical basis for it.

 

[MidnightRose]

If you don't believe somebody exists, you can't follow or obey them, or choose against them. Nor can you make yourself believe to be true what you see as imaginary. Try it and let me know if you can do it. Pick any imaginary being from fiction or mythology, and make yourself believe it is real. Can you do it? No? Me neither. Now imagine if people who do believe it demand you change your life and follow rules they say are from this imaginary being. How would you address such people? Now imagine they tell you that if you don't obey what they tell you this imaginary being wants, you deserve to be tortured in hellfire forever.

Greetings Pygo,

The belief in an All-Powerful Supreme Being does have an immense impact on the human psyche in a variety of ways.

While the existence of an unseen Creator may seem imaginary or magical, the practical foundation of this in relation to Islam is not.

As you know, there was a tangible entity that set this foundation – a person named Muhammad :saws:. He told us about this unseen Creator.

He is reported to have had impeccable integrity. This reputation was established over the course of 40 years prior to him announcing his mission.

For example, the following incident took place when he began preaching openly:

Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
When the Verse:-- 'And warn your tribe of near kindred.' (26.214) was revealed. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) went out, and when he had ascended As-Safa mountain, he shouted, "O Sabahah!" The people said, "Who is that?" "Then they gathered around him, whereupon he said, "Do you see? If I inform you that cavalrymen are proceeding up the side of this mountain, will you believe me?" They said, "We have never heard you telling a lie." Then he said, "I am a plain warner to you of a coming severe punishment." Abu Lahab said, "May you perish! You gathered us only for this reason? " Then Abu Lahab went away. So the "Surat:--ul--LAHAB" 'Perish the hands of Abu Lahab!' (111.1) was revealed.

Source: Sahih al-Bukhari

My confidence in relating the above account has been succinctly expressed in the following quote:

“Muslims have an entire science dedicated to the validation of Hadith and its transmitters, known as 'Ilm Ar-Rijaal. Each and every Hadith in existence has been carefully studied and scrutinized, and sorted according to its strength in terms of authenticity, narrators and origin.”

Source

The integrity of Muhammad :saws: is a precondition to the message he preached. Thus, the foundation of belief in an unseen Creator is based on a tangible entity.

Although it’s possible for analogies in relation to this to be made with other personalities and dogmas, it is believed that definitive judgments should be based on a comprehensive understanding of the Islamic tradition.

Sometimes the key to understanding something may lie in practical exposure. That said, there are places where one can gain an understanding of the man that delivered the message from traditional subject matter experts in person.

I see you’re in Ontario. If you’re interested I know a place in Chatham where you can meet these engaging, non-judgmental, and friendly people.

The sole purpose of this would be to verify the knowledge base relating to Muhammad’s :saws: integrity.

 

[ardianto]

Is it possible that maybe American law (atheism?) is the only religion of peace on the planet? Or maybe that of their predecessors the British law, or maybe their predecessors that of the Romans (paganism/secularism/christianity?) Or maybe the atheism of athens (people worship/untethered democracy)

There is difference between secularism which is put religion only in personal area and does not affect public policy, and atheism which is a 'belief' that God doesn't exist. USA is not atheist country, but secular country. And people in ancient Athens were not atheists, but pagans.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I see you’re in Ontario. If you’re interested I know a place in Chatham where you can meet these engaging, non-judgmental, and friendly people.

The sole purpose of this would be to verify the knowledge base relating to Muhammad’s [/FONT][/SIZE]:saws: integrity.

No need. I don't doubt your sincere belief in Muhammad's integrity. I don't have any reason to question his integrity myself either. I also don't have any particular reason to question the integrity of Jesus, the Budha, or any other spiritual icon or founder of a religion. But that doesn't make what they believed about theology to be any more convincing to me.

 

[MidnightRose]

No need. I don't doubt your sincere belief in Muhammad's integrity. I don't have any reason to question his integrity myself either. I also don't have any particular reason to question the integrity of Jesus, the Budha, or any other spiritual icon or founder of a religion. But that doesn't make what they believed about theology to be any more convincing to me.

From my side, this offer to you will always remain open.