Guru Nanak Dev Ji a Muslim....?

But isn't that disrespect to God? To actually claim that He is within the creation? I don't like saying this but even a child might ask - does God go to the bathroom etc? How would a person respond to that? Isn't that saying things about God of which doesn't befit His Majesty?
 
............Sikhism imitates many actions of the Muslims and Hindus.
pehaps this is of some use
Date_06/10/00________________________________________________
After over a decade, the Sikh religio-political scenario is torrid again. This time it's the Hindu-Sikh divide caused by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) - the fundamentalist Hindu faction of the ruling Baharatiya Jananta Party (BJP) - which is trying to press the fact that Sikhs are actually Hindus.
RSS activists proclaim that since Sikhismcame into existence as the sword arm of Hindus against the Muslim invaders, and since such a situation no longer exists, the community should return to the Hindu fold. In fact a group of RSS leaders want to assimilate the Sikh community into the fold of Hinduism and disperse its religious identity.

Sikh religious groups and leaders are conducting meetings in Gurdwaras for educating the Sikh community against this political propaganda that Sikhs are Hindus. Sikh religious institutions like the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee (SGPC) are strongly opposing the RSS' attempts to integrate them into the Hindu fold. June 6, 2000 was observed as a holocaust day and a day against persecution of minorities.
To counter the "evil design" of the RSS, a Sikh youth leader reportedly went so far as to propose serving beef in the Gurdwara langar. Such an anti-Hindu move is not anti-Sikh, since Sikhism evidently does not proscribe beef. Furthermore, agitating organisations in Punjab are pressing the local civic bodies for granting separate cremation grounds for Sikhs.
Sikhs Aren't Hindus!
Sikhs maintain that Sikhism is not an offshoot of Hinduism and was not created as the sword arm of Hindus against Muslim invaders, but as a distinct community to fight 'oppression' in whatever form it existed. So, the Sikhs have an identity of their own vis-à-vis the religious and cultural content and form of Hinduism.
Gurtej Singh of the Institute for Sikh Studies told The Hindustan Times: "The thrust of RSS' campaign is that Sikhism is an offshoot of Hinduism - and even today remains its sword arm. They quote the Dasamgranth for this purpose, ignoring the fact that it still remains a matter of debate whether or not Guru Gobind Singh wrote the entire text. The Guru Granth Sahib mentions Ram, but it also talks of Rahim, Karim and Allah…" So, some leaders are planning to discard a portion of the Dasamgranth, "that which allows the RSS to inject confusion among the Sikhs".
Sikhs Are Hindus!
Hindus say that the Sikh guru Gobind Singh gave his followers a distinct militant identity by ordering them to wear the five Ks - kesh, kangha, kara, kachcha and kirpan - to protect Hindus from the tyranny of the Mughals. Thus Hindus and Sikhs are one and the same - socially as well as religiously. While this is a moot point, it's hard to ignore the similarities between Hinduism and Sikhism.
Similarities between Sikhs and Hindus are evident in practices and rituals of the Sikh Gurus. The Sikhs celebrate Diwali, the Hindu festival of lights. The surname 'Singh' is also found among the Rajputs, a martial Hindu race. It is argued that the Sikh Kirpan or dagger has been adopted from the martial tradition of the Rajputs carrying the Katar. It's also evident that the turban is a common headdress of the Indians and is not exclusively Sikh, and the concept of uncut hair was introduced by the Tenth Guru and not before.
Historians say that Sikhs and Hindus have intermarried since Guru Nanak's time. The Hindus accepted the marriages because Sikhism was considered a part of Hinduism, and marriages for Sikhs were performed by the Hindu priests, until the beginning of the 20th century. All these show that the essence of Sikhism is closely related to Hinduism. This is however, not to suggest that Sikhism and Hinduism are one and the same religion, or Sikhism is not distinct from Hinduism.


Encouraging Separatism and Disharmony
Evidently there are no irreconcilable differences between Hindus and Sikhs. But such propaganda and politicizing religions can actually go beyond a mere revival of the trite debate: Are Sikhs Hindus? History has proved that such initiatives only manage to elicit a dramatic assertion from the target community.
But emphasizing the Hindu-ness of Sikhs and diluting the separate identity of the community is actually demarcating religious boundaries, which encourages secessionism and can reinforce the Sikh belief that they are a different nation. If the RSS persists with its campaign of assimilating the Sikhs into the Hindu mainstream, feel observers, Sikh hard-liners will be back in business. Indeed, the RSS call to Hindus to take to Sikhism will only accentuate a revival of Sikh fundamentalism.
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But isn't that disrespect to God? To actually claim that He is within the creation? I don't like saying this but even a child might ask - does God go to the bathroom etc? How would a person respond to that? Isn't that saying things about God of which doesn't befit His Majesty?

You are saying this because your perception of God is different than us.

You actually didn't know how God revealed Himself to Mohammad. You said it was through Angel Gabriel. Now did the angel use some kind of vehicle (like car or scooter) to come to Mohammad?

You should also think about how your soul (with your body?) gets to the paradise...
 
You are saying this because your perception of God is different than us.

You actually didn't know how God revealed Himself to Mohammad. You said it was through Angel Gabriel. Now did the angel use some kind of vehicle (like car or scooter) to come to Mohammad?

You should also think about how your soul (with your body?) gets to the paradise...


Yeah i've got a different perception, one that makes sense. Maybe you can answer my question and then we can move forward to answer your questions - how would you respond to someone who asks that form of question? :)
 
Yeah i've got a different perception, one that makes sense. Maybe you can answer my question and then we can move forward to answer your questions - how would you respond to someone who asks that form of question? :)

We know the answer and we don't need to waste our time trying to convince who has entirely different perception. If you want to know more of what Sikhism says, you should go to a Sikh website. I recommend sikhnet.com.
 
What do Sikhs Believe?

The Sikh religion is regarded by many scholars as a syncretic religious system which borrows heavily from Hinduism and Sufism. Other scholars treat it as a branch of Hinduism's bhakti mystical devotion, as an attempt to reform Hinduism or as an attempt to harmonize Hinduism and Islam which ended up becoming its own religious tradition.

God: Sikhs follow a strict monotheistic faith in an eternal, creator god within which there exists two distinct natures. One nature is physical and encompasses perfect attributes; this is the nature which Sikhs can understand and meditate upon.

The second nature, non-physical, is too complex for the human mind to understand. Among Sikhs, God is generally called Sat Guru, which means the "supreme Guru," or "supreme teacher." Other names include Akal Purukh and Vahiguru. This second nature is so abstract and mystical that Sikhism sometimes borders on being pantheistic rather than simply monotheistic.
God is believed to govern the universe absolutely - this divine order is called hukam. According to Sikh doctrine, absolutely nothing is exempt from God's will. The divine order of the universe is based upon two principles: justice (nian) and grace (nadar).

Devotion: The goal for Sikhs is to meditate upon God and avoid being caught up in worldly distractions. The "true nature" of each human being is a divine essence of "pure light," but worldly affairs cover this up. The worldly layers of weakness and evil all encouraged by self-centeredness (haumai), need to be taken away over time to reveal our true nature.
This is accomplished partly through meditation on God but also through practicing the principle of universal love for everyone. The ultimate point to this, absorption within God, may take many lifetimes. Sikhs accept the Hindu doctrine of samsara, the cycle of death and rebirth, which is ordered by karma, the accumulation of one's good and bad deeds.
An unregenerate person is thought of as being dominated by self-interest and, therefore, remains immersed in illusion (maya) - this, in turn, results in bad karma. God of course wants us to escape maya and achieve enlightenment (nirvana) by learning to understand the nature of the universe.

Because we can't entirely accomplish this on our own, God is believed to help by manifesting his grace as a holy word, attainable through understanding and recitation of God's name (nam). In Sikhism, the role of the guru, who is the manifestation of God in the world, is to teach us the method of devotion through the Guru Granth Sahib and the community of the faithful. Both the guru and the Guru Granth Sahib are thus coexistent with the divine and play a necessary part in the salvation of the world.

Prayers: Every Sikh is expected to recite three daily prayers: Japji Sahib ("meditation") which is usually accompanied by some hymns in the morning, Rahiras in the evening and Sohila, a prayer of thanksgiving which is said just before going to bed. On the first day of each month and on holy days, other special prayers are recited. The tradition of reciting three daily prayers was first instituted by Guru Nanak and the text of the Japji Sahib was written by Nanak.

Texts: The primary religious text of Sikhs is the Guru Granth, (also known as the Adi Granth) first composed by the fifth Guru in 1604 out of material written by the previous four. It would be finished by the tenth and final human Guru, attaining its present form.

Equality: One consequence of the ideal of universal love is that, in principle at least, there is no gender-based discrimination among Sikhs. Men are not valued more highly than women and women are not kept from religious or political leadership positions. All Sikhs are bais, or "brethern" of each other. The ideal of universal love also puts Sikhism at odds with the traditional caste system of Hinduism because Sikhs do not regard a person's family as having any bearing on their social or religious value.

The only group within the Sikh religion which might be said to stand in especially high regard are the Khalsa, orthodox Sikhs who have taken an oath to live their lives as examples of Sikh faith and ideals.
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yeah he is warning that time to leave this world is coming close, so try doing something before it's too late...
 
In the very beginning of human life there were many religions , all tribal, everyone started to beleive in sun , stones , water etc, as God, then when it was all at its height maybe then JUDAISM was born(i dont know much about its origin) ...people started worshipping the real God...

but after many centuries... when people again lost faith..started idol worship...became cruel..started thinking that their religion should overtake others...CHRISTIANITY was born...again spreAding the SAME message ... to different people in a different way.......by sending a prophet......

everything was well.........then after some time people again lost faith in God....idol worship again started....people lost their senses and forcefully fought for superiority of their religions ..... thus God sent another prophet... and ISLAM...begin......

on the other hand in east...i.e. India.. when Hinduism was too much deeply affected by idol worship... BUDDHISM and after that JAINISM started....

Islam also taught the same message in different manner to different people of those time... and it was immensly successful...

all went well..but when islam and christianity both took forceful actions to convert people..known as Holy wars..i guess... and when there was lot of paakhand and rituals..

God sent another prophet..and SIKHISM started and spread the same message again in a different manner to the people.
 
So much misconceptions ^ :)


We know that the first person to be created was Adam and his wife Hawwa [Eve.] They were muslims as they submitted to their Creator - Allaah, and islaam means submission. :)


All the prophets called to the worship of Allaah Alone without associating partners with Him in that worship. Whether these other partners are idols, humans [i.e. saints], or even philosophies etc.


Those who prefer the life of this world instead of the Hereafter, and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah (i.e.Islam) and seek crookedness therein - They are far astray.
And We sent not a Messenger except with the language of his people, in order that he might make (the Message) clear for them. Then Allah misleads whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
And indeed We sent Musa (Moses) with Our Ayat (signs, proofs, and evidences) (saying): "Bring out your people from darkness into light, and make them remember the annals of Allah. Truly, therein are evidences, proofs and signs for every patient, thankful (person)."

And (remember) when Musa (Moses) said to his people: "Call to mind Allah's Favour to you, when He delivered you from Fir'aun's (Pharaoh) people who were afflicting you with horrible torment, and were slaughtering your sons and letting your women alive, and in it was a tremendous trial from your Lord."
And (remember) when your Lord proclaimed: "If you give thanks (by accepting Faith and worshipping none but Allah), I will give you more (of My Blessings), but if you are thankless (i.e. disbelievers), verily! My Punishment is indeed severe."
And Musa (Moses) said: "If you disbelieve, you and all on earth together, then verily! Allah is Rich (Free of all wants), Owner of all Praise."

Has not the news reached you, of those before you, the people of Nuh (Noah), and 'Ad, and Thamud? And those after them? None knows them but Allah. To them came their Messengers with clear proofs, but they put their hands in their mouths (biting them from anger) and said: "Verily, we disbelieve in that with which you have been sent, and we are really in grave doubt as to that to which you invite us (i.e. Islamic Monotheism)."

Their Messengers said: "What! Can there be a doubt about Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? He calls you (to Monotheism and to be obedient to Allah) that He may forgive you of your sins and give you respite for a term appointed." They said: "You are no more than human beings like us! You wish to turn us away from what our fathers used to worship. Then bring us a clear authority i.e. a clear proof of what you say)."

Their Messengers said to them: "We are no more than human beings like you, but Allah bestows His Grace to whom He wills of His slaves. It is not ours to bring you an authority (proof) except by the Permission of Allah. And in Allah (Alone) let the believers put their trust.
[Qur'an 14: 3-11]


There have been over 124000 prophets who have come to mankind, all calling to the worship of Allaah alone. This was the same message of Noah, Moses, Jesus son of Mary, Yahya (John the Baptist), Muhammad (peace be upon them all.)



The only reason why idol worship started was because after Adam (peace be upon him) - 10 generations later, the people started turning away from their submission to Allaah [i.e. islaam] and they started getting attatched to the world. So satan came to them and told them that he would create statues of these pious people so they may remember the good pious times. The people agreed.

Later as these people passed away, satan came to the people and said that your forefathers prayed to these pious people so they can pray on your behalf to Allaah. And this is exactly what associating partners with Allaah is, which is the worst sin a person can commit. And if one was to die in this state - they would die in a state of disbelief.


This is explained in more detail in the story of Prophet Noah [Nuh] (peace be upon him):

http://www.islamicboard.com/prophets-islam/1695-prophet-nuh-noah.html


“And they worship besides Allaah things that harm them not, nor profit them, and they say: ‘These are our intercessors with Allaah’”

[Yoonus 10:18]


“And those who take Awliyaa’ (protectors, helpers, lords, gods) besides Him (say): ‘We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allaah’”

[al-Zumar 39:3]



And if you asked them, "Who created the heavens and the earth?" they would surely say, " Allah ." Say, "Then have you considered what you invoke besides Allah ? If Allah intended me harm, are they removers of His harm; or if He intended me mercy, are they withholders of His mercy?" Say, "Sufficient for me is Allah ; upon Him [alone] rely the [wise] reliers."

[Qur'an Zumar 39:38]


And your Lord said: "Call upon Me, I will answer you. Verily, those who scorn My worship they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!''.

[Qur'an Ghaafir 40:60]



Prophet Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus son of Mary, Muhammad and all the prophets (peace be upon them all) called against the worshipping of others besides Allaah. Yet this is exactly what the jews and christians fell into, and this is why Muhammad (peace be upon him) came as the final messenger to confirm what the previous prophets had called to.

Those who obey the Messengers will be successful in this world and the hereafter, whereas those who reject the messenger and follow the way of their forefathers in disbelief will face a humiliating punishment. We seek refuge in Allaah from that.





 
So much misconceptions ^ :)


We know that the first person to be created was Adam and his wife Hawwa [Eve.] They were muslims as they submitted to their Creator - Allaah, and islaam means submission. :)


All the prophets called to the worship of Allaah Alone without associating partners with Him in that worship. Whether these other partners are idols, humans [i.e. saints], or even philosophies etc.


Those who prefer the life of this world instead of the Hereafter, and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah (i.e.Islam) and seek crookedness therein - They are far astray.
And We sent not a Messenger except with the language of his people, in order that he might make (the Message) clear for them. Then Allah misleads whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
And indeed We sent Musa (Moses) with Our Ayat (signs, proofs, and evidences) (saying): "Bring out your people from darkness into light, and make them remember the annals of Allah. Truly, therein are evidences, proofs and signs for every patient, thankful (person)."

And (remember) when Musa (Moses) said to his people: "Call to mind Allah's Favour to you, when He delivered you from Fir'aun's (Pharaoh) people who were afflicting you with horrible torment, and were slaughtering your sons and letting your women alive, and in it was a tremendous trial from your Lord."
And (remember) when your Lord proclaimed: "If you give thanks (by accepting Faith and worshipping none but Allah), I will give you more (of My Blessings), but if you are thankless (i.e. disbelievers), verily! My Punishment is indeed severe."
And Musa (Moses) said: "If you disbelieve, you and all on earth together, then verily! Allah is Rich (Free of all wants), Owner of all Praise."

Has not the news reached you, of those before you, the people of Nuh (Noah), and 'Ad, and Thamud? And those after them? None knows them but Allah. To them came their Messengers with clear proofs, but they put their hands in their mouths (biting them from anger) and said: "Verily, we disbelieve in that with which you have been sent, and we are really in grave doubt as to that to which you invite us (i.e. Islamic Monotheism)."

Their Messengers said: "What! Can there be a doubt about Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? He calls you (to Monotheism and to be obedient to Allah) that He may forgive you of your sins and give you respite for a term appointed." They said: "You are no more than human beings like us! You wish to turn us away from what our fathers used to worship. Then bring us a clear authority i.e. a clear proof of what you say)."

Their Messengers said to them: "We are no more than human beings like you, but Allah bestows His Grace to whom He wills of His slaves. It is not ours to bring you an authority (proof) except by the Permission of Allah. And in Allah (Alone) let the believers put their trust.
[Qur'an 14: 3-11]


There have been over 124000 prophets who have come to mankind, all calling to the worship of Allaah alone. This was the same message of Noah, Moses, Jesus son of Mary, Yahya (John the Baptist), Muhammad (peace be upon them all.)



The only reason why idol worship started was because after Adam (peace be upon him) - 10 generations later, the people started turning away from their submission to Allaah [i.e. islaam] and they started getting attatched to the world. So satan came to them and told them that he would create statues of these pious people so they may remember the good pious times. The people agreed.

Later as these people passed away, satan came to the people and said that your forefathers prayed to these pious people so they can pray on your behalf to Allaah. And this is exactly what associating partners with Allaah is, which is the worst sin a person can commit. And if one was to die in this state - they would die in a state of disbelief.


This is explained in more detail in the story of Prophet Noah [Nuh] (peace be upon him):

http://www.islamicboard.com/prophets-islam/1695-prophet-nuh-noah.html


“And they worship besides Allaah things that harm them not, nor profit them, and they say: ‘These are our intercessors with Allaah’”

[Yoonus 10:18]


“And those who take Awliyaa’ (protectors, helpers, lords, gods) besides Him (say): ‘We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allaah’”

[al-Zumar 39:3]



And if you asked them, "Who created the heavens and the earth?" they would surely say, " Allah ." Say, "Then have you considered what you invoke besides Allah ? If Allah intended me harm, are they removers of His harm; or if He intended me mercy, are they withholders of His mercy?" Say, "Sufficient for me is Allah ; upon Him [alone] rely the [wise] reliers."

[Qur'an Zumar 39:38]


And your Lord said: "Call upon Me, I will answer you. Verily, those who scorn My worship they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!''.

[Qur'an Ghaafir 40:60]



Prophet Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus son of Mary, Muhammad and all the prophets (peace be upon them all) called against the worshipping of others besides Allaah. Yet this is exactly what the jews and christians fell into, and this is why Muhammad (peace be upon him) came as the final messenger to confirm what the previous prophets had called to.

Those who obey the Messengers will be successful in this world and the hereafter, whereas those who reject the messenger and follow the way of their forefathers in disbelief will face a humiliating punishment. We seek refuge in Allaah from that.






It doesn't seem to matter the volumes of literature compared/ exchanged... people will only follow their whims --- :muddlehea
"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good)." 3.85
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What if someone submits to God or Waheguru?

Plus why would you say Adam and Eve submitted themselves to Allah, when the word Allah didn't exist at the time?
 
What if someone submits to God or Waheguru?

Plus why would you say Adam and Eve submitted themselves to Allah, when the word Allah didn't exist at the time?

How do you know the word Allah didn't exist?--- what if ,what if what-- if... if "they" want to submit to "waheguru"-- then it is "their" cross to bear.. each soul is hostage for its own deeds...

peace!
 
Names of God

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God


ੴ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਅਜੂਨੀ ਸੈਭੰ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
Ik oankar satinamu karta purakhu nirbhau nirvairu akal murati ajuni saibhan gurprasadi
translates to
One Supreme Being, Truth is His/Her name; the Creator Primal Being; Without fear and Without Enmity,
the Timeless Verity, Un-incarnated and Self-Existent, known through His/Her grace.
(GG. Pg 1)

Millions are the mines of life; millions the spheres; Millions are the regions above; millions the regions below;
Millions are the species taking birth.
By diverse means does He spread Himself.
Again and again did He expand Himself thus,
But He ever remains the One Ekankar.
Countless creatures of various kinds
Come out of Him and are absorbed back.
None can know the limit of His Being;
He, the Lord, O Nanak! is all in all Himself.
(GG. 275-76)

Oankar is a variation of the mystic monosyllable Om (also known as anahata nada, the unstruck sound) first set forth in the Upanishads as the transcendent object of profound religious meditation.

Guru Nanak prefixed the numeral one (ik) to it making it "Ik Oankar" or "Ekankar" to stress GOD's oneness. GOD is named and known only through GOD's Own immanent nature. Almost all names are attributive. The only name which can be said to truly fit GOD's transcendent state is Sat or Satnam (Sanskrit 'satya' meaning TRUTH ), the changeless and timeless Reality. GOD is transcendent and all-pervasive at the same time. Transcendence and immanence are two aspects of the same single Supreme Reality. The Reality is immanent in the entire creation, but the creation as a whole fails to contain GOD fully. As says Guru Tegh Bahadur, Nanak IX, "He/She has himself spread out His/Her Own "maya" (worldly illusion) which He/She oversees; many different forms He/She assumes in many colours, yet He/She stays independent of all" (GG, 537).
Below are the main qualities that Sikhism attributes to God:
  • Only God is worthy of worship and meditation at all times
  • He is the Creator but also the Destroyer
  • God is Compassionate and Kind
  • With His Grace, He comes to dwell within the mind and body
Blessing us with His Grace, the Kind and Compassionate All-powerful Lord comes to dwell within the mind and body. (SGGS Page 49)
  • He is merciful and wise
The Cherisher Lord is so very merciful and wise; He is compassionate to all. (SGGS Page 249)
  • He is the ultimate Protector of all beings
The Lord is kind and compassionate to all beings and creatures; His Protecting Hand is over all. (SGGS Page 300)
  • Only with His Will can pain, poverty, disease and hardships be removed from ones life.
O Nanak, God has been kind and compassionate; He has blessed me. Removing pain and poverty, He has blended me with Himself. ||8||5|| (SGGS Page 1311)
  • God is everywhere
Nanak is attuned to the Love of the Lord, whose Light pervades the entire Universe. (SGGS Page 49)
 
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What if someone submits to God or Waheguru?

Plus why would you say Adam and Eve submitted themselves to Allah, when the word Allah didn't exist at the time?


Allaah is God, christian arabs even call God - Allaah. :) So whatever language they spoke - they probably called God - God, in whatever language they spoke.


Submitting to Allaah is by obeying His true Messengers who came with clear proofs, so the people at the time of Moses would obey their Prophet, the people at the time of Jesus son of Mary would have to obey Jesus, even if they believed in Moses before, and as it's been stated in the Qur'an:


Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing. [Qur'an 33:40]


So anyone who lives since he recieved the message, till the day of ressurrection - has to obey what was revealed to Allaah's final Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him.)



 
There is nothing better than having ability not to commit any sins and we know that there is only one way to avoid committing sins and that's by controlling all vices and then submitting yourself to "waheguru".

You might call yourself Muslim and you might think you have submitted to Allah but you are still not able to avoid committing sins until you have full control over all vices.

So there is one way to clearly submitting yourself to God and that's by first controlling all vices. Once you possess ability to avoid committing sins, only then you can be sure that you have for sure submitted yourself to God. It's not following any particular religion. In order for anybody to properly follow a "true religion", one must be a certain spiritual level to properly grasp the message. Only then s/he can follow it properly.
 

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