Guru Nanak Dev Ji a Muslim....?

Many people think that Sikhism is a sect of Islam
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Sikhism was heavily influenced by Islam and Hinduism just given by the place where it originated.
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
..and to answer your Q would be Yes! I would participate with her in her holidays so long as there was nothing blatantly contradicting to my religion!... She had to go to your "Gdwar" sorry for spelling, I am not sure for which holiday. and I drove her and waited for her in the car until she was done and afterwards we celebrated by having I guess what you call "Laddo"? and other sweets.

I didn't feel any less Muslim... any more than she feels less Sikh when fasting with me. She does it as a sister in humanity. And I have certainly never invited her to do so.. she does it because she is a friend who wishes to share in my experience...
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Ambrosia, celebrating the feast of another religion other than Islam's two Eid's is prohibited even if you find that you do not affilliate with any of the beliefs persé.

“The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) came to Madeenah and the people had two days when they would play and have fun. He said, ‘What are these two days?’ They said, ‘We used to play and have fun on these days during the Jaahiliyyah. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, ‘Allah has given you something better than them, the day of Adhaa and the day of Fitr.’” (Sunan Abi Dawood, 1134)

What follows is short treatise on this subject, May Allah (SWT) if He (SWT) so willed it t be beneficial to your understanding and that of others as well.

Source: Islam Q&A

Question

Can a Muslim celebrate a non-Muslim holiday like Thanksgiving?

Answer

Praise be to Allah.

Greeting the kuffar on Christmas and other religious holidays of theirs is haram, by consensus, as Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allah have mercy on him, said in Ahkam Ahl al-Dhimmah:

"Congratulating the kuffar on the rituals that belong only to them is haram by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and fasts by saying ‘A happy festival to you’ or ‘May you enjoy your festival,’ and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from kufr, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or bid’ah or kufr exposes himself to the wrath and anger of Allah."

Congratulating the kuffar on their religious festivals is haram to the extent described by Ibn al-Qayyim because it implies that one accepts or approves of their rituals of kufr, even if one would not accept those things for oneself. But the Muslim should not accept the rituals of kufr or congratulate anyone else for them, because Allah does not accept any of that at all, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

"If you disbelieve, then verily, Allah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you..." [al-Zumar 39:7]

"...This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion..." [al-Maa’idah 5:3]

So congratulating them is forbidden, whether they are one’s colleagues at work or otherwise.

If they greet us on the occasion of their festivals, we should not respond, because these are not our festivals, and because they are not festivals which are acceptable to Allah. These festivals are innovations in their religions, and even those which may have been prescribed formerly have been abrogated by the religion of Islam, with which Allah sent Muhammad to the whole of mankind. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]

It is haram for a Muslim to accept invitations on such occasions, because this is worse than congratulating them as it implies taking part in their celebrations.

Similarly, Muslims are forbidden to imitate the kuffar by having parties on such occasions, or exchanging gifts, or giving out sweets or food, or taking time off work, etc., because the Prophet said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in his book Iqtidaa’ al-siraat al-mustaqeem mukhaalifat ashaab al-jaheem:

"Imitating them in some of their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity to humiliate and mislead the weak."

Whoever does anything of this sort is a sinner, whether he does it out of politeness or to be friendly, or because he is too shy to refuse, or for whatever other reason, because this is hypocrisy in Islam, and because it makes the kuffar feel proud of their religion.

Allah is the One Whom we ask to make the Muslims feel proud of their religion, to help them adhere steadfastly to it, and to make them victorious over their enemies, for He is the Strong and Omnipotent.

(Majmoo’ah Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymin, 3/369)

 
I didn't seek a religion other than Islam!... I didn't take off from work! I didn't congratulate her since I am not certain until now exactly what she was celebrating?.. I spent the day with her on the account that she was away from her family, and it certainly isn't human to abandon a friend. and lastly she offered me desert from her country (little balls of sweets called lado) which I ate and we watched a movie (japanese Anime)... I am not sure what festivites you are talking about short of driving her to where she needed to be?
 
All you need to do is look at the text I quoted from your previous post, my post is a reaction to that. You clearly state that you would participate in her holidays. My response is to that, regardless of whether you find that it does not oppose islam. The evidence I have cited above clearly shows that it is prohibited. Further more, you telling me that you only drove her, or ate some sweets she brought you does not negate the implications within the context of your previous post.
 
yes I also said (provided it doesn't negate my religion). clearly eating her sweets and watching a movie with doesn't!
 
If you're even reading my posts to you, or are you hammering your point selectively. I would appreciate it if you were to consider what I'm telling you with sincerity, instead of excusing your way out of everything I'm showing you. Again:

The context of your post was that you said you would... celebrate her holidays. This in itself is opposing Islam, since in Islam we are not allowed to celebrate any other festivities except the two Eid's. I have provided you with sufficient evidence regarding this. If you have any objections to this, then be clear about it rather than ambiguously tell me that the criterea does not apply to the situation you sketched.
 
of Questioner
Mu`adh - Bangladesh

Title
Celebrating holidays with One’s Non-Muslim Family

Question
As-Salam `alaykum. I am new Muslim and I am living with my Christian family in a non-Muslim society. My family is celebrating Christmas and I want to ask if it is wrong for me to attend their celebration.

Date
22/Dec/2005

Name of Mufti
Jamal Badawi, Ahmad Kutty

Topic
Ties of kinship



Answer



Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, we would like to thank you for the great confidence you place in us, and we earnestly implore Allah to increase your faith and guide you to the straight path.

There is nothing wrong, as far as Islam is concerned, that you share your family’s happiness in Christmas as long as you steer clear of what is prohibited in your religion (such as a table where alcohol or pork is served) and specifically religious rituals.



Responding to the question, Dr. Jamal Badawi, Member of the European Council for Fatwa and Research and the Fiqh Council of North America, states the following:


Participating in the non-religious aspect of Christmas such as family reunion dinner or visitation is OK. Attempts should be made to avoid situations where alcoholic drinks are served on the same table. Kindness to parents and family without compromising one’s beliefs is an Islamic duty.

During socialization and whenever appropriate, one may share one’s thoughts [on religion] with them, preferably in answer to their questions or comments without being too argumentative.


Moreover, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, adds:


You are allowed to partake of their feasts and celebrations so long as you stay away from their specifically religious rituals, and so long as you are clear in your mind that Christmas has nothing to do with the original teaching of Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him).

While remaining steadfast to your beliefs about Jesus, you are allowed to join them in their feasts in order to reciprocate kindness with kindness. By doing so, you may even be helping them remove their misconceptions about Islam being a fanatical religion. So go ahead and participate in their feasts, and let them know the true image of Islam.
 
Ambrosia, the mufti's, scholars etc that you quote have no repute with the international muslim community. Also NO, scriptural evidence from the glorious Qur'an or the sunnah has been given. This is unexeptable by the standards of any muslim. I would implore on you to ones more consider the evidence I provided you with, which is detailled and with reputable source like the hadeeth which goes back to our beloved prophet Muhammed (SAW).

The word of any mufti, or scholar does not weigh an ounce if it is in opposition to the prophet Muhammed (SAW) or the Sahaba and the scholars of repute.
 
Ambrosia, the mufti's, scholars etc that you quote have no repute with the international muslim community. Also NO, scriptural evidence from the glorious Qur'an or the sunnah has been given. This is unexeptable by the standards of any muslim. I would implore on you to ones more consider the evidence I provided you with, which is detailled and with reputable source like the hadeeth which goes back to our beloved prophet Muhammed (SAW).

The word of any mufti, or scholar does not weigh an ounce if it is in opposition to the prophet Muhammed (SAW) or the Sahaba and the scholars of repute.
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I was going to say the same thing. There is a huge difference from the first and second fatwa, with the first using proofs, as opposed to the second.
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
of Questioner
Mu`adh - Bangladesh

Title
Celebrating holidays with One’s Non-Muslim Family

Question
As-Salam `alaykum. I am new Muslim and I am living with my Christian family in a non-Muslim society. My family is celebrating Christmas and I want to ask if it is wrong for me to attend their celebration.

Date
22/Dec/2005

Name of Mufti
Jamal Badawi, Ahmad Kutty

Topic
Ties of kinship



Answer



Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, we would like to thank you for the great confidence you place in us, and we earnestly implore Allah to increase your faith and guide you to the straight path.

There is nothing wrong, as far as Islam is concerned, that you share your family’s happiness in Christmas as long as you steer clear of what is prohibited in your religion (such as a table where alcohol or pork is served) and specifically religious rituals.



Responding to the question, Dr. Jamal Badawi, Member of the European Council for Fatwa and Research and the Fiqh Council of North America, states the following:


Participating in the non-religious aspect of Christmas such as family reunion dinner or visitation is OK. Attempts should be made to avoid situations where alcoholic drinks are served on the same table. Kindness to parents and family without compromising one’s beliefs is an Islamic duty.

During socialization and whenever appropriate, one may share one’s thoughts [on religion] with them, preferably in answer to their questions or comments without being too argumentative.


Moreover, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, adds:


You are allowed to partake of their feasts and celebrations so long as you stay away from their specifically religious rituals, and so long as you are clear in your mind that Christmas has nothing to do with the original teaching of Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him).

While remaining steadfast to your beliefs about Jesus, you are allowed to join them in their feasts in order to reciprocate kindness with kindness. By doing so, you may even be helping them remove their misconceptions about Islam being a fanatical religion. So go ahead and participate in their feasts, and let them know the true image of Islam.
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Fatwa from Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi (former president of ISNA)

http://www.al-ahkam.net/home/index.php?name=MDForum&file=viewtopic&t=13220&view=previous
 
North_Mayalsian Eventhough the fatwa you quoted from the former head of ISNA is more in the lines of the truth it is still a divergence because he calls for the acceptance of gifts and the wishing of happy holidays to the unbelievers during their festivals. This shows the incompetence of at least some people at ISNA, not in the least of which the former head of this organisation. It is these types of organisations who issue baseless fatwa's left and right that end up misguiding many seekers of truth. We should all guard from this. We all know that the U.S is a heavily censured country, their freedom is defined by their way of life hence it is their definition of this freedom that prevails not the islamic notion of it. Any critical voice of their inherent ways is therefore fought against, politically, financially, and judicially. The ISNA may well be an example of a tamed entity which can only operate under the rules and regulations imposed on it from the kufar legislator. As of yey, I'm however just describing a scenario which this type of practise is indicative of but Allah (SWT) knows better what description befits the people at ISNA. I'd like to think that this type of carelessness is not on purpose or occasional but I cannot do either as this seems to be the trademark so to speak of this organisation. And Allah (SWT) knows best.
 
AbuAbdallah said:
Sikhism was heavily influenced by Islam and Hinduism just given by the place where it originated.
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Does that mean Islam was influenced by pagans and other various tribes and religions present in Muhammeds time?

The only Influence Sikhism got was from God alone, he influenced and instructed, so your theory is flawed.
 
PurestAmbrosial, I think you're in understanding of your own religion than some people who are posting on here. - You're just being friendly to your best friend and participating (without it afecting your own beliefs of Islam) and vice versa.

I think this is harmony and would have been enciuraged by Mohammed Sahib!
 
I always thought Hindu's and Sikhs were practicing the same religion, but i guess i was wrong. The Sikhs next to my Uncle's store are very kind people maybe i should approach them some time and find out a bit more about their culture and religion.
 
AHMED_GUREY said:
I always thought Hindu's and Sikhs were practicing the same religion, but i guess i was wrong. The Sikhs next to my Uncle's store are very kind people maybe i should approach them some time and find out a bit more about their culture and religion.
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All it takes a bit of a read brother. We sadly live in the same country as Hindus but our beliefs are worlds apart.:statisfie
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Does that mean Islam was influenced by pagans and other various tribes and religions present in Muhammeds time?

The only Influence Sikhism got was from God alone, he influenced and instructed, so your theory is flawed.
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The pagan tribes and their way of life was actually influenced by islaam, because their forefather was Isma'eel son of Ibraheem - the two Prophets. So the arabs really followed their religion and Makkah was established on their faith, however they made innovations [bid'ah - newly invented matters] into that faith by introducing stone idols as intercessors between them and Allaah, and claiming that they are superior because they are the descendants of these Pious people. :)

Muhammad (peace be upon him) called back to the religion of Ibraheem [Abraham] (peace be upon him) and reformed the ways of the arabs .



Peace.
 
Does that mean Islam was influenced by pagans and other various tribes and religions present in Muhammeds time?

The only Influence Sikhism got was from God alone, he influenced and instructed, so your theory is flawed.
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While Islam abolished many actions of the pagans, Sikhism imitates many actions of the Muslims and Hindus.
 

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